Re: Forget Windows

2005-12-08 Thread Helge Hafting
Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote: Helge Hafting [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: | On Wed, Dec 07, 2005 at 04:58:51PM +0100, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: | Lars == Lars Gullik Bjønnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: | | Lars I also tried to do some profiling on this, but failed to get | Lars anything to

Re: Forget Windows

2005-12-08 Thread Lars Gullik Bjønnes
Helge Hafting [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: | Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote: | | Helge Hafting [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: | | | On Wed, Dec 07, 2005 at 04:58:51PM +0100, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: | | Lars == Lars Gullik Bjønnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: | | | Lars I also tried to do some

Re: Forget Windows

2005-12-08 Thread Helge Hafting
Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote: | To set optimization level you should use --enable-optimization='-O2' | | | Ok, tried this. More exactly: | $ ./configure --prefix=/usr/local --with-frontend=qt --with-gnu-ld | --with-qt-includes=/usr/include/qt3 --disable-debug | --disable-concept-checks

Re: Forget Windows

2005-12-08 Thread Angus Leeming
Helge Hafting wrote: | $ ./configure --prefix=/usr/local --with-frontend=qt --with-gnu-ld | --with-qt-includes=/usr/include/qt3 --disable-debug | --disable-concept-checks --enable-optimization=-O2 You should use '--disable-stdlib-debug' as well. that is a real time consumer, nice when developing

Re: Forget Windows

2005-12-08 Thread Lars Gullik Bjønnes
Helge Hafting [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: | Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote: | | | To set optimization level you should use --enable-optimization='-O2' | | | | | | Ok, tried this. More exactly: | | $ ./configure --prefix=/usr/local --with-frontend=qt --with-gnu-ld | |

Re: Forget Windows

2005-12-08 Thread Helge Hafting
Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote: Helge Hafting [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: | Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote: | | | To set optimization level you should use --enable-optimization='-O2' | | | | | | Ok, tried this. More exactly: | | $ ./configure --prefix=/usr/local --with-frontend=qt --with-gnu-ld | |

Re: Forget Windows

2005-12-08 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Helge == Helge Hafting [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Helge The test method is to run time lyx while clicking the mouse Helge fast in the place where the closing button is going to appear. Helge Repeated clicks are used so my reaction time won't affect the Helge result. I barely see the main window,

Re: Forget Windows

2005-12-08 Thread chr
On Thu, 8 Dec 2005, Helge Hafting wrote: The test method is to run time lyx while clicking the mouse fast in the place where the closing button is going to appear. Just a minor tip, try this: time lyx -x 'command-sequence lyx-quit;' and you don't have close it manually. A long time

Re: Forget Windows

2005-12-08 Thread Rich Shepard
On Thu, 8 Dec 2005, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just a minor tip, try this: time lyx -x 'command-sequence lyx-quit;' Christian, How kewel! I've not had LyX running today, so I gave the above three tries in succession: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ time lyx -x 'command-sequence lyx-quit;'

Re: Forget Windows

2005-12-08 Thread Helge Hafting
On Thu, Dec 08, 2005 at 03:46:45PM +0100, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Helge == Helge Hafting [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Helge The test method is to run time lyx while clicking the mouse Helge fast in the place where the closing button is going to appear. Helge Repeated clicks are used so my

Re: Forget Windows

2005-12-08 Thread Helge Hafting
On Thu, Dec 08, 2005 at 09:46:05AM -0800, Rich Shepard wrote: On Thu, 8 Dec 2005, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just a minor tip, try this: time lyx -x 'command-sequence lyx-quit;' Christian, How kewel! I've not had LyX running today, so I gave the above three tries in succession:

Re: Forget Windows

2005-12-08 Thread Rich Shepard
On Thu, 8 Dec 2005, Helge Hafting wrote: Impressive timings. Your first start is faster than my cached startups. My lyx-1.3 starts in 0.7s, my lyx-1.4 in 3.5s when in cache. Which version of lyx is this, and does it use xforms or qt? Helge, 1.3.6qt. On Slack-10.2. A moderately fast

Re: Forget Windows

2005-12-08 Thread Helge Hafting
Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote: Helge Hafting [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: | On Wed, Dec 07, 2005 at 04:58:51PM +0100, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: | Lars == Lars Gullik Bjønnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: | | Lars I also tried to do some profiling on this, but failed to get | Lars anything to

Re: Forget Windows

2005-12-08 Thread Lars Gullik Bjønnes
Helge Hafting [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: | Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote: | | Helge Hafting [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: | | | On Wed, Dec 07, 2005 at 04:58:51PM +0100, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: | | Lars == Lars Gullik Bjønnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: | | | Lars I also tried to do some

Re: Forget Windows

2005-12-08 Thread Helge Hafting
Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote: | To set optimization level you should use --enable-optimization='-O2' | | | Ok, tried this. More exactly: | $ ./configure --prefix=/usr/local --with-frontend=qt --with-gnu-ld | --with-qt-includes=/usr/include/qt3 --disable-debug | --disable-concept-checks

Re: Forget Windows

2005-12-08 Thread Angus Leeming
Helge Hafting wrote: | $ ./configure --prefix=/usr/local --with-frontend=qt --with-gnu-ld | --with-qt-includes=/usr/include/qt3 --disable-debug | --disable-concept-checks --enable-optimization=-O2 You should use '--disable-stdlib-debug' as well. that is a real time consumer, nice when developing

Re: Forget Windows

2005-12-08 Thread Lars Gullik Bjønnes
Helge Hafting [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: | Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote: | | | To set optimization level you should use --enable-optimization='-O2' | | | | | | Ok, tried this. More exactly: | | $ ./configure --prefix=/usr/local --with-frontend=qt --with-gnu-ld | |

Re: Forget Windows

2005-12-08 Thread Helge Hafting
Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote: Helge Hafting [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: | Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote: | | | To set optimization level you should use --enable-optimization='-O2' | | | | | | Ok, tried this. More exactly: | | $ ./configure --prefix=/usr/local --with-frontend=qt --with-gnu-ld | |

Re: Forget Windows

2005-12-08 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Helge == Helge Hafting [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Helge The test method is to run time lyx while clicking the mouse Helge fast in the place where the closing button is going to appear. Helge Repeated clicks are used so my reaction time won't affect the Helge result. I barely see the main window,

Re: Forget Windows

2005-12-08 Thread chr
On Thu, 8 Dec 2005, Helge Hafting wrote: The test method is to run time lyx while clicking the mouse fast in the place where the closing button is going to appear. Just a minor tip, try this: time lyx -x 'command-sequence lyx-quit;' and you don't have close it manually. A long time

Re: Forget Windows

2005-12-08 Thread Rich Shepard
On Thu, 8 Dec 2005, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just a minor tip, try this: time lyx -x 'command-sequence lyx-quit;' Christian, How kewel! I've not had LyX running today, so I gave the above three tries in succession: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ time lyx -x 'command-sequence lyx-quit;'

Re: Forget Windows

2005-12-08 Thread Helge Hafting
On Thu, Dec 08, 2005 at 03:46:45PM +0100, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Helge == Helge Hafting [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Helge The test method is to run time lyx while clicking the mouse Helge fast in the place where the closing button is going to appear. Helge Repeated clicks are used so my

Re: Forget Windows

2005-12-08 Thread Helge Hafting
On Thu, Dec 08, 2005 at 09:46:05AM -0800, Rich Shepard wrote: On Thu, 8 Dec 2005, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just a minor tip, try this: time lyx -x 'command-sequence lyx-quit;' Christian, How kewel! I've not had LyX running today, so I gave the above three tries in succession:

Re: Forget Windows

2005-12-08 Thread Rich Shepard
On Thu, 8 Dec 2005, Helge Hafting wrote: Impressive timings. Your first start is faster than my cached startups. My lyx-1.3 starts in 0.7s, my lyx-1.4 in 3.5s when in cache. Which version of lyx is this, and does it use xforms or qt? Helge, 1.3.6qt. On Slack-10.2. A moderately fast

Re: Forget Windows

2005-12-08 Thread Helge Hafting
Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote: Helge Hafting <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | On Wed, Dec 07, 2005 at 04:58:51PM +0100, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: | > > "Lars" == Lars Gullik Bjønnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | > | > Lars> I also tried to do some profiling on this, but failed to get | >

Re: Forget Windows

2005-12-08 Thread Lars Gullik Bjønnes
Helge Hafting <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote: | | >Helge Hafting <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | > | >| On Wed, Dec 07, 2005 at 04:58:51PM +0100, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: | >| > > "Lars" == Lars Gullik Bjønnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | > | > | > Lars> I also

Re: Forget Windows

2005-12-08 Thread Helge Hafting
Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote: | >To set optimization level you should use --enable-optimization='-O2' | > | > | Ok, tried this. More exactly: | $ ./configure --prefix=/usr/local --with-frontend=qt --with-gnu-ld | --with-qt-includes=/usr/include/qt3 --disable-debug | --disable-concept-checks

Re: Forget Windows

2005-12-08 Thread Angus Leeming
Helge Hafting wrote: >>| $ ./configure --prefix=/usr/local --with-frontend=qt --with-gnu-ld >>| --with-qt-includes=/usr/include/qt3 --disable-debug >>| --disable-concept-checks --enable-optimization=-O2 >>You should use '--disable-stdlib-debug' as well. that is a real time >>consumer, nice when

Re: Forget Windows

2005-12-08 Thread Lars Gullik Bjønnes
Helge Hafting <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote: | | >| >To set optimization level you should use --enable-optimization='-O2' | >| > | >| > | >| Ok, tried this. More exactly: | >| $ ./configure --prefix=/usr/local --with-frontend=qt --with-gnu-ld | >|

Re: Forget Windows

2005-12-08 Thread Helge Hafting
Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote: Helge Hafting <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote: | | >| >To set optimization level you should use --enable-optimization='-O2' | >| > | >| > | >| Ok, tried this. More exactly: | >| $ ./configure --prefix=/usr/local --with-frontend=qt

Re: Forget Windows

2005-12-08 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
> "Helge" == Helge Hafting <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Helge> The test method is to run time lyx while clicking the mouse Helge> fast in the place where the closing button is going to appear. Helge> Repeated clicks are used so my reaction time won't affect the Helge> result. I barely see the

Re: Forget Windows

2005-12-08 Thread chr
On Thu, 8 Dec 2005, Helge Hafting wrote: > The test method is to run > time lyx > while clicking the mouse fast in the place where the closing button is > going to appear. Just a minor tip, try this: time lyx -x 'command-sequence lyx-quit;' and you don't have close it manually. A long

Re: Forget Windows

2005-12-08 Thread Rich Shepard
On Thu, 8 Dec 2005, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just a minor tip, try this: time lyx -x 'command-sequence lyx-quit;' Christian, How kewel! I've not had LyX running today, so I gave the above three tries in succession: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ time lyx -x 'command-sequence lyx-quit;'

Re: Forget Windows

2005-12-08 Thread Helge Hafting
On Thu, Dec 08, 2005 at 03:46:45PM +0100, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > > "Helge" == Helge Hafting <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Helge> The test method is to run time lyx while clicking the mouse > Helge> fast in the place where the closing button is going to appear. > Helge> Repeated

Re: Forget Windows

2005-12-08 Thread Helge Hafting
On Thu, Dec 08, 2005 at 09:46:05AM -0800, Rich Shepard wrote: > On Thu, 8 Dec 2005, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > >Just a minor tip, try this: > > > > time lyx -x 'command-sequence lyx-quit;' > > Christian, > > How kewel! I've not had LyX running today, so I gave the above three tries > in

Re: Forget Windows

2005-12-08 Thread Rich Shepard
On Thu, 8 Dec 2005, Helge Hafting wrote: Impressive timings. Your first start is faster than my cached startups. My lyx-1.3 starts in 0.7s, my lyx-1.4 in 3.5s when in cache. Which version of lyx is this, and does it use xforms or qt? Helge, 1.3.6qt. On Slack-10.2. A moderately fast

Re: Forget Windows

2005-12-07 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Helge == Helge Hafting [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Helge _Editing_ with lyx 1.4 is fine, except from the occational bug. Helge The startup time is not - it has definitely regressed, and I Helge wonder if it has to be that way. What could lyx be up to Helge _before_ l�oading documents? Helge, I

Re: Forget Windows

2005-12-07 Thread Lars Gullik Bjønnes
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: | Helge == Helge Hafting [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: | | Helge _Editing_ with lyx 1.4 is fine, except from the occational bug. | Helge The startup time is not - it has definitely regressed, and I | Helge wonder if it has to be that way. What could

Re: Forget Windows

2005-12-07 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Lars == Lars Gullik Bjønnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Lars I also tried to do some profiling on this, but failed to get Lars anything to pinpoint. Also on my box startup times are not bad Lars at all... (sub-second) I clearly see a difference between 1.3.x and 1.4.x, but the times are

Re: Forget Windows

2005-12-07 Thread Helge Hafting
On Wed, Dec 07, 2005 at 04:58:51PM +0100, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Lars == Lars Gullik Bjønnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Lars I also tried to do some profiling on this, but failed to get Lars anything to pinpoint. Also on my box startup times are not bad Lars at all... (sub-second) I

Re: Forget Windows

2005-12-07 Thread Rich Shepard
On Wed, 7 Dec 2005, Helge Hafting wrote: Evereybody except me get sub-second startup times? That is good, lyx is probably ok with me making a mistake then. It'd sure be interesting if anyone have an idea what I do wrong. Helge, If I've not invoked LyX before, then it takes about 1-2

Re: Forget Windows

2005-12-07 Thread Lars Gullik Bjønnes
Helge Hafting [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: | On Wed, Dec 07, 2005 at 04:58:51PM +0100, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: | Lars == Lars Gullik Bjønnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: | | Lars I also tried to do some profiling on this, but failed to get | Lars anything to pinpoint. Also on my box startup

Re: Forget Windows

2005-12-07 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Helge == Helge Hafting [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Helge _Editing_ with lyx 1.4 is fine, except from the occational bug. Helge The startup time is not - it has definitely regressed, and I Helge wonder if it has to be that way. What could lyx be up to Helge _before_ l�oading documents? Helge, I

Re: Forget Windows

2005-12-07 Thread Lars Gullik Bjønnes
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: | Helge == Helge Hafting [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: | | Helge _Editing_ with lyx 1.4 is fine, except from the occational bug. | Helge The startup time is not - it has definitely regressed, and I | Helge wonder if it has to be that way. What could

Re: Forget Windows

2005-12-07 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Lars == Lars Gullik Bjønnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Lars I also tried to do some profiling on this, but failed to get Lars anything to pinpoint. Also on my box startup times are not bad Lars at all... (sub-second) I clearly see a difference between 1.3.x and 1.4.x, but the times are

Re: Forget Windows

2005-12-07 Thread Helge Hafting
On Wed, Dec 07, 2005 at 04:58:51PM +0100, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Lars == Lars Gullik Bjønnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Lars I also tried to do some profiling on this, but failed to get Lars anything to pinpoint. Also on my box startup times are not bad Lars at all... (sub-second) I

Re: Forget Windows

2005-12-07 Thread Rich Shepard
On Wed, 7 Dec 2005, Helge Hafting wrote: Evereybody except me get sub-second startup times? That is good, lyx is probably ok with me making a mistake then. It'd sure be interesting if anyone have an idea what I do wrong. Helge, If I've not invoked LyX before, then it takes about 1-2

Re: Forget Windows

2005-12-07 Thread Lars Gullik Bjønnes
Helge Hafting [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: | On Wed, Dec 07, 2005 at 04:58:51PM +0100, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: | Lars == Lars Gullik Bjønnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: | | Lars I also tried to do some profiling on this, but failed to get | Lars anything to pinpoint. Also on my box startup

Re: Forget Windows

2005-12-07 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
> "Helge" == Helge Hafting <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Helge> _Editing_ with lyx 1.4 is fine, except from the occational bug. Helge> The startup time is not - it has definitely regressed, and I Helge> wonder if it has to be that way. What could lyx be up to Helge> _before_ l�oading documents?

Re: Forget Windows

2005-12-07 Thread Lars Gullik Bjønnes
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | > "Helge" == Helge Hafting <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | | Helge> _Editing_ with lyx 1.4 is fine, except from the occational bug. | Helge> The startup time is not - it has definitely regressed, and I | Helge> wonder if it has to be that way.

Re: Forget Windows

2005-12-07 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
> "Lars" == Lars Gullik Bjønnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Lars> I also tried to do some profiling on this, but failed to get Lars> anything to pinpoint. Also on my box startup times are not bad Lars> at all... (sub-second) I clearly see a difference between 1.3.x and 1.4.x, but the times

Re: Forget Windows

2005-12-07 Thread Helge Hafting
On Wed, Dec 07, 2005 at 04:58:51PM +0100, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > > "Lars" == Lars Gullik Bjønnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Lars> I also tried to do some profiling on this, but failed to get > Lars> anything to pinpoint. Also on my box startup times are not bad > Lars> at all...

Re: Forget Windows

2005-12-07 Thread Rich Shepard
On Wed, 7 Dec 2005, Helge Hafting wrote: Evereybody except me get sub-second startup times? That is good, lyx is probably ok with me making a mistake then. It'd sure be interesting if anyone have an idea what I do wrong. Helge, If I've not invoked LyX before, then it takes about 1-2

Re: Forget Windows

2005-12-07 Thread Lars Gullik Bjønnes
Helge Hafting <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | On Wed, Dec 07, 2005 at 04:58:51PM +0100, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: | > > "Lars" == Lars Gullik Bjønnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | > | > Lars> I also tried to do some profiling on this, but failed to get | > Lars> anything to pinpoint. Also on

Re: Forget Windows

2005-11-12 Thread Angus Leeming
Andre Poenitz wrote: GUII had its time when it came to separating kernel and GUI, and when there were enough people actually working on LyX. Nowadays it's more of a hindrance than a help and I'd really appreciate a move to select a single prefered toolkit. Hear hear! -- Angus

Re: Forget Windows

2005-11-12 Thread Helge Hafting
On Wed, Nov 09, 2005 at 11:26:36AM +, Angus Leeming wrote: Helge Hafting wrote: Still, I really liked the way lyx 1.3 starts in less than a second. Lyx 1.4 needs 5 seconds to start, even with no document and debugging turned off. You are probably compiling with g++'s debug

Re: Forget Windows

2005-11-12 Thread Angus Leeming
Andre Poenitz wrote: GUII had its time when it came to separating kernel and GUI, and when there were enough people actually working on LyX. Nowadays it's more of a hindrance than a help and I'd really appreciate a move to select a single prefered toolkit. Hear hear! -- Angus

Re: Forget Windows

2005-11-12 Thread Helge Hafting
On Wed, Nov 09, 2005 at 11:26:36AM +, Angus Leeming wrote: Helge Hafting wrote: Still, I really liked the way lyx 1.3 starts in less than a second. Lyx 1.4 needs 5 seconds to start, even with no document and debugging turned off. You are probably compiling with g++'s debug

Re: Forget Windows

2005-11-12 Thread Angus Leeming
Andre Poenitz wrote: > GUII had its time when it came to separating kernel and GUI, and when > there were enough people actually working on LyX. Nowadays it's more > of a hindrance than a help and I'd really appreciate a move to select > a single prefered toolkit. Hear hear! -- Angus

Re: Forget Windows

2005-11-12 Thread Helge Hafting
On Wed, Nov 09, 2005 at 11:26:36AM +, Angus Leeming wrote: > Helge Hafting wrote: > > Still, I really liked the way lyx 1.3 starts in less than a second. > > Lyx 1.4 needs 5 seconds to start, even with no document and > > debugging turned off. > > You are probably compiling with g++'s debug

Re: Forget Windows

2005-11-11 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Tue, Nov 08, 2005 at 02:43:00PM -0500, William F. Adams wrote: On Nov 8, 2005, at 11:52 AM, Angus Leeming wrote: You have a strange definition of ``for free'', William. There are 295 files in the Qt frontend totalling some 27,000 lines of code. And that's neglecting the .ui files that

Re: Forget Windows

2005-11-11 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Wed, Nov 09, 2005 at 08:24:58AM +0200, Martin Vermeer wrote: The idea is that each frontend author is free to implement the dialogs as he wants. There is no contraint on their layout and/or text. But that's a bug, not a feature, right? We _should_ strive for uniformity. This would mean

Re: Forget Windows

2005-11-11 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Wed, Nov 09, 2005 at 11:54:30AM +0100, Helge Hafting wrote: Multi-platform? I have no idea - but the existing qt port is multiplatform so a port to another toolkit doesn't have to be. Indeed. And note that we get much better multi-platform support when using Qt alone than with any

Re: Forget Windows

2005-11-11 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Tue, Nov 08, 2005 at 06:37:52PM +0100, Gour wrote: I could also say: gnome, gnome-vfs, internationalization (I18N), localization (L10N), OS X is there, cairo back-end, win32, and lgpl license, i.e. not depending on trolltech... What's wrong with Qt's GPL? Andre'

Re: Forget Windows

2005-11-11 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Tue, Nov 08, 2005 at 07:45:00PM +0100, Ingar Pareliussen wrote: So it is possible to port to other tookits without to much work That is wrong and does not get better by repeating it. Supporting yet another toolkit is a significant amount of work, and the GUII framework makes using toolkits

Re: Forget Windows

2005-11-11 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Tue, Nov 08, 2005 at 02:43:00PM -0500, William F. Adams wrote: On Nov 8, 2005, at 11:52 AM, Angus Leeming wrote: You have a strange definition of ``for free'', William. There are 295 files in the Qt frontend totalling some 27,000 lines of code. And that's neglecting the .ui files that

Re: Forget Windows

2005-11-11 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Wed, Nov 09, 2005 at 08:24:58AM +0200, Martin Vermeer wrote: The idea is that each frontend author is free to implement the dialogs as he wants. There is no contraint on their layout and/or text. But that's a bug, not a feature, right? We _should_ strive for uniformity. This would mean

Re: Forget Windows

2005-11-11 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Wed, Nov 09, 2005 at 11:54:30AM +0100, Helge Hafting wrote: Multi-platform? I have no idea - but the existing qt port is multiplatform so a port to another toolkit doesn't have to be. Indeed. And note that we get much better multi-platform support when using Qt alone than with any

Re: Forget Windows

2005-11-11 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Tue, Nov 08, 2005 at 06:37:52PM +0100, Gour wrote: I could also say: gnome, gnome-vfs, internationalization (I18N), localization (L10N), OS X is there, cairo back-end, win32, and lgpl license, i.e. not depending on trolltech... What's wrong with Qt's GPL? Andre'

Re: Forget Windows

2005-11-11 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Tue, Nov 08, 2005 at 07:45:00PM +0100, Ingar Pareliussen wrote: So it is possible to port to other tookits without to much work That is wrong and does not get better by repeating it. Supporting yet another toolkit is a significant amount of work, and the GUII framework makes using toolkits

Re: Forget Windows

2005-11-11 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Tue, Nov 08, 2005 at 02:43:00PM -0500, William F. Adams wrote: > On Nov 8, 2005, at 11:52 AM, Angus Leeming wrote: > > >You have a strange definition of ``for free'', William. There are 295 > >files in the Qt frontend totalling some 27,000 lines of code. And > >that's neglecting the .ui files

Re: Forget Windows

2005-11-11 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Wed, Nov 09, 2005 at 08:24:58AM +0200, Martin Vermeer wrote: > > The idea is that each frontend author is free to implement the dialogs > > as he wants. There is no contraint on their layout and/or text. > > But that's a bug, not a feature, right? We _should_ strive for uniformity. This would

Re: Forget Windows

2005-11-11 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Wed, Nov 09, 2005 at 11:54:30AM +0100, Helge Hafting wrote: > >Multi-platform? > > I have no idea - but the existing qt port is multiplatform so a port > to another toolkit doesn't have to be. Indeed. And note that we get much better multi-platform support when using Qt alone than with any

Re: Forget Windows

2005-11-11 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Tue, Nov 08, 2005 at 06:37:52PM +0100, Gour wrote: > I could also say: gnome, gnome-vfs, internationalization (I18N), > localization (L10N), OS X is there, cairo back-end, win32, and lgpl > license, i.e. not depending on trolltech... What's wrong with Qt's GPL? Andre'

Re: Forget Windows

2005-11-11 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Tue, Nov 08, 2005 at 07:45:00PM +0100, Ingar Pareliussen wrote: > So it is possible to port to other tookits without to much work That is wrong and does not get better by repeating it. Supporting yet another toolkit is a significant amount of work, and the GUII framework makes using toolkits

Re: Forget Windows

2005-11-09 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Martin == Martin Vermeer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The idea is that each frontend author is free to implement the dialogs as he wants. There is no contraint on their layout and/or text. Martin But that's a bug, not a feature, right? We _should_ strive for Martin uniformity. I think we

Re: Forget Windows

2005-11-09 Thread Helge Hafting
Gour wrote: Helge Hafting ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Not really. The win32 version of lyx does not in any way make it a more serious solution. More accessible of course, but no more serious. Who said that? Me? Marc? Sorry, seems I messed up the quotation. Look at earlier

Re: Forget Windows

2005-11-09 Thread Gour
John Coppens ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Anyway, I see there is some interest (mine included) for a native GTK+ version, so I'll try and compile one (I suspect it compiles at least?). Who is the person to take contact with for hints/diffs/ etc? Is that John Spray? I pulled from the cvs

Re: Forget Windows

2005-11-09 Thread Helge Hafting
Angus Leeming wrote: [...] Yes, fltk is a very nice little toolkit. In fact, it's the successor to the XForms library that we do use in one of our frontends. However, before any eager soul jumps on this frontend bandwagon, I'd like to introduce a note of caution and suggest that you really,

Re: Forget Windows

2005-11-09 Thread Angus Leeming
Gour wrote: I pulled from the cvs yesterday and it does not compile. What is preferred method to report things: dev-list or bugzilla? Bugzilla, but discuss it first on lyx-devel. It's probably something trivial on your side. (I had negative experience with bugzilla reporting a dead-keys bug

Re: Forget Windows

2005-11-09 Thread Angus Leeming
Helge Hafting wrote: Still, I really liked the way lyx 1.3 starts in less than a second. Lyx 1.4 needs 5 seconds to start, even with no document and debugging turned off. You are probably compiling with g++'s debug iterators. Try recompiling having configured with --disable-stdlib-debug and

Re: Forget Windows

2005-11-09 Thread Gour
Angus Leeming ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Bugzilla, but discuss it first on lyx-devel. It's probably something trivial on your side. OK. I sent it to the dev-list. Use the gmane news interface then. You can read and post from http://news.gmane.org/gmane.editors.lyx.devel Don't use news at

internationalization issues (was Re: Forget Windows)

2005-11-09 Thread William F. Adams
(Thanks to whoever did it for re-subscribing me to the dev list) I'm making this last post to both lists and then will try to find the time to look into things on the lyx-devel side. As I alluded to before, NeXT/OPEN/GNUstep/Cocoa allows one to dynamically add and remove language support

Re: Forget Windows

2005-11-09 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Martin == Martin Vermeer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The idea is that each frontend author is free to implement the dialogs as he wants. There is no contraint on their layout and/or text. Martin But that's a bug, not a feature, right? We _should_ strive for Martin uniformity. I think we

Re: Forget Windows

2005-11-09 Thread Helge Hafting
Gour wrote: Helge Hafting ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Not really. The win32 version of lyx does not in any way make it a more serious solution. More accessible of course, but no more serious. Who said that? Me? Marc? Sorry, seems I messed up the quotation. Look at earlier

Re: Forget Windows

2005-11-09 Thread Gour
John Coppens ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Anyway, I see there is some interest (mine included) for a native GTK+ version, so I'll try and compile one (I suspect it compiles at least?). Who is the person to take contact with for hints/diffs/ etc? Is that John Spray? I pulled from the cvs

Re: Forget Windows

2005-11-09 Thread Helge Hafting
Angus Leeming wrote: [...] Yes, fltk is a very nice little toolkit. In fact, it's the successor to the XForms library that we do use in one of our frontends. However, before any eager soul jumps on this frontend bandwagon, I'd like to introduce a note of caution and suggest that you really,

Re: Forget Windows

2005-11-09 Thread Angus Leeming
Gour wrote: I pulled from the cvs yesterday and it does not compile. What is preferred method to report things: dev-list or bugzilla? Bugzilla, but discuss it first on lyx-devel. It's probably something trivial on your side. (I had negative experience with bugzilla reporting a dead-keys bug

Re: Forget Windows

2005-11-09 Thread Angus Leeming
Helge Hafting wrote: Still, I really liked the way lyx 1.3 starts in less than a second. Lyx 1.4 needs 5 seconds to start, even with no document and debugging turned off. You are probably compiling with g++'s debug iterators. Try recompiling having configured with --disable-stdlib-debug and

Re: Forget Windows

2005-11-09 Thread Gour
Angus Leeming ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Bugzilla, but discuss it first on lyx-devel. It's probably something trivial on your side. OK. I sent it to the dev-list. Use the gmane news interface then. You can read and post from http://news.gmane.org/gmane.editors.lyx.devel Don't use news at

internationalization issues (was Re: Forget Windows)

2005-11-09 Thread William F. Adams
(Thanks to whoever did it for re-subscribing me to the dev list) I'm making this last post to both lists and then will try to find the time to look into things on the lyx-devel side. As I alluded to before, NeXT/OPEN/GNUstep/Cocoa allows one to dynamically add and remove language support

Re: Forget Windows

2005-11-09 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
> "Martin" == Martin Vermeer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> The idea is that each frontend author is free to implement the >> dialogs as he wants. There is no contraint on their layout and/or >> text. Martin> But that's a bug, not a feature, right? We _should_ strive for Martin> uniformity.

Re: Forget Windows

2005-11-09 Thread Helge Hafting
Gour wrote: Helge Hafting ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Not really. The win32 version of lyx does not in any way make it a more "serious" solution. More accessible of course, but no more serious. Who said that? Me? Marc? Sorry, seems I messed up the quotation. Look at earlier

Re: Forget Windows

2005-11-09 Thread Gour
John Coppens ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Anyway, I see there is some interest (mine included) for a native GTK+ > version, so I'll try and compile one (I suspect it compiles at least?). > Who is the person to take contact with for hints/diffs/ etc? Is that John > Spray? I pulled from the cvs

Re: Forget Windows

2005-11-09 Thread Helge Hafting
Angus Leeming wrote: [...] Yes, fltk is a very nice little toolkit. In fact, it's the successor to the XForms library that we do use in one of our frontends. However, before any eager soul jumps on this frontend bandwagon, I'd like to introduce a note of caution and suggest that you really,

Re: Forget Windows

2005-11-09 Thread Angus Leeming
Gour wrote: > I pulled from the cvs yesterday and it does not compile. > What is preferred method to report things: dev-list or bugzilla? Bugzilla, but discuss it first on lyx-devel. It's probably something trivial on your side. > (I had negative experience with bugzilla reporting a dead-keys

Re: Forget Windows

2005-11-09 Thread Angus Leeming
Helge Hafting wrote: > Still, I really liked the way lyx 1.3 starts in less than a second. > Lyx 1.4 needs 5 seconds to start, even with no document and > debugging turned off. You are probably compiling with g++'s debug iterators. Try recompiling having configured with --disable-stdlib-debug

Re: Forget Windows

2005-11-09 Thread Gour
Angus Leeming ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Bugzilla, but discuss it first on lyx-devel. It's probably something > trivial on your side. OK. I sent it to the dev-list. > Use the gmane news interface then. You can read and post from > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.editors.lyx.devel Don't use news

internationalization issues (was Re: Forget Windows)

2005-11-09 Thread William F. Adams
(Thanks to whoever did it for re-subscribing me to the dev list) I'm making this last post to both lists and then will try to find the time to look into things on the lyx-devel side. As I alluded to before, NeXT/OPEN/GNUstep/Cocoa allows one to dynamically add and remove language support

Re: Forget Windows

2005-11-08 Thread Sven Schreiber
James W Dow schrieb: LyX is a wonderful word processor. It is best one for writing mathematics directly from the keyboard. Please don't spend a huge time developing it for Windows. Windows will gradually fade away. Putting nice programs like LyX on that operating system just delays people

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