Re: [M100] 32k M102 suddenly showing 24k

2016-07-05 Thread Josh Malone
Yes, that is good. On Jul 5, 2016 10:31 PM, "Mike Stein" wrote: > Continuity M5-12 to M6-20? > > - Original Message - > *From:* Josh Malone > *To:* Model 100 Discussion > *Sent:* Tuesday, July 05, 2016 10:13 PM > *Subject:* Re: [M100] 32k M102 suddenly s

Re: [M100] 32k M102 suddenly showing 24k

2016-07-05 Thread Josh Malone
I only tested the *ce signal and 5v. I'll check the rest later. The sequential read behavior continues far into the chip. I'm done for tonite though.

Re: [M100] 32k M102 suddenly showing 24k

2016-07-05 Thread Mike Stein
Continuity M5-12 to M6-20? - Original Message - From: Josh Malone To: Model 100 Discussion Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 10:13 PM Subject: Re: [M100] 32k M102 suddenly showing 24k No, I'm guessing that the chip is holding its enable line high and never activati

Re: [M100] 32k M102 suddenly showing 24k

2016-07-05 Thread John Gardner
Intermittent PCB traces on the boards are'nt unusual...

Re: [M100] 32k M102 suddenly showing 24k

2016-07-05 Thread Stephen Adolph
t; > -Josh >> > >> > On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 11:00 AM, Mike Stein wrote: >> >> >> >> pp. 7 & 8 of the Tech Ref: >> >> >> >> ftp://ftp.whtech.com/club100/doc/m102TechReference.pdf >> >> >> >> - Orig

Re: [M100] 32k M102 suddenly showing 24k

2016-07-05 Thread Josh Malone
8 of the Tech Ref: > >> > >> ftp://ftp.whtech.com/club100/doc/m102TechReference.pdf > >> > >> - Original Message - > >> From: Josh Malone > >> To: Model 100 Discussion > >> Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 6:30 AM > >> Subject:

Re: [M100] 32k M102 suddenly showing 24k

2016-07-05 Thread Stephen Adolph
n for everybody's help. > > -Josh > > On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 11:00 AM, Mike Stein wrote: >> >> pp. 7 & 8 of the Tech Ref: >> >> ftp://ftp.whtech.com/club100/doc/m102TechReference.pdf >> >> ----- Original Message - >> From: Josh Malone

Re: [M100] 32k M102 suddenly showing 24k

2016-07-05 Thread Josh Malone
7;s help. -Josh On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 11:00 AM, Mike Stein wrote: > pp. 7 & 8 of the Tech Ref: > > ftp://ftp.whtech.com/club100/doc/m102TechReference.pdf > > - Original Message - > *From:* Josh Malone > *To:* Model 100 Discussion > *Sent:* Tuesday, July 05, 2

Re: [M100] 32k M102 suddenly showing 24k

2016-07-05 Thread Mike Stein
pp. 7 & 8 of the Tech Ref: ftp://ftp.whtech.com/club100/doc/m102TechReference.pdf - Original Message - From: Josh Malone To: Model 100 Discussion Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 6:30 AM Subject: Re: [M100] 32k M102 suddenly showing 24k Once I figure out the memory map

Re: [M100] 32k M102 suddenly showing 24k

2016-07-05 Thread Josh Malone
Once I figure out the memory map that was exactly what I was going to do while probing the chip. On Jul 4, 2016 10:56 PM, "Doug Jackson" wrote: > You could poke directly at the relevant memory ranges and see if a > corresponding peek shows the data > > > On 5 July 2016 12:31:59 pm AEST, Josh Mal

Re: [M100] 32k M102 suddenly showing 24k

2016-07-05 Thread Josh Malone
We'll, my test files disappeared. On Jul 4, 2016 10:50 PM, "John R. Hogerhuis" wrote: > Maybe dumb question but have you confirmed that you've actually done a > cold start? > > On Monday, July 4, 2016, Josh Malone wrote: > >> Okay. Thanks for the hints. Anybody know any good RAM diagnostic >> t

Re: [M100] 32k M102 suddenly showing 24k

2016-07-04 Thread Doug Jackson
You could poke directly at the relevant memory ranges and see if a corresponding peek shows the data On 5 July 2016 12:31:59 pm AEST, Josh Malone wrote: >Okay. Thanks for the hints. Anybody know any good RAM diagnostic >techniques >for a 102? It's been a long time since I've used a scope in ang

Re: [M100] 32k M102 suddenly showing 24k

2016-07-04 Thread John R. Hogerhuis
Maybe dumb question but have you confirmed that you've actually done a cold start? On Monday, July 4, 2016, Josh Malone wrote: > Okay. Thanks for the hints. Anybody know any good RAM diagnostic > techniques for a 102? It's been a long time since I've used a scope in > anger on anything but seria

Re: [M100] 32k M102 suddenly showing 24k

2016-07-04 Thread Josh Malone
Okay. Thanks for the hints. Anybody know any good RAM diagnostic techniques for a 102? It's been a long time since I've used a scope in anger on anything but serial or audio. I'll dig into the datasheets tomorrow and see if I can gather any clues. A quick probing shows lots of address line activity

Re: [M100] 32k M102 suddenly showing 24k

2016-07-04 Thread Mike Stein
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Re: [M100] 32k M102 suddenly showing 24k

2016-07-04 Thread Josh Malone
base memory version with only one expansion socket. >> >> What's your model (and serial) number? >> >> m >> >> - Original Message - >> *From:* Josh Malone >> *To:* Model 100 Discussion >> *Sent:* Monday, July 04, 2016 5:38 PM >

Re: [M100] 32k M102 suddenly showing 24k

2016-07-04 Thread Josh Malone
sion sockets, and > 26-3802, a 24K base memory version with only one expansion socket. > > What's your model (and serial) number? > > m > > - Original Message - > *From:* Josh Malone > *To:* Model 100 Discussion > *Sent:* Monday, July 04, 2016 5:38 PM &g

Re: [M100] 32k M102 suddenly showing 24k

2016-07-04 Thread Mike Stein
r? m - Original Message - From: Josh Malone To: Model 100 Discussion Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 5:38 PM Subject: Re: [M100] 32k M102 suddenly showing 24k No, they're all soldered. I was hoping a reseat would be warranted, but alas. On Jul 4, 2016 3:39 PM, "Jo

Re: [M100] 32k M102 suddenly showing 24k

2016-07-04 Thread Josh Malone
No, they're all soldered. I was hoping a reseat would be warranted, but alas. On Jul 4, 2016 3:39 PM, "John R. Hogerhuis" wrote: > If you have socketed ram chips you may need to reseat then. > > -- John. > > On Monday, July 4, 2016, Josh Malone wrote: > >> Thanks. For some reason, finding the 1

Re: [M100] 32k M102 suddenly showing 24k

2016-07-04 Thread John R. Hogerhuis
If you have socketed ram chips you may need to reseat then. -- John. On Monday, July 4, 2016, Josh Malone wrote: > Thanks. For some reason, finding the 100 cold-start procedure via Google > wasn't working for me. > > However, the free memory hasn't changed. It's still stuck at 24k. I guess > it

Re: [M100] 32k M102 suddenly showing 24k

2016-07-04 Thread Josh Malone
Thanks. For some reason, finding the 100 cold-start procedure via Google wasn't working for me. However, the free memory hasn't changed. It's still stuck at 24k. I guess it's time to get out the scope/meter/etc. and see what's going on. Not looking forward to this and not exactly sure what to try

Re: [M100] 32k M102 suddenly showing 24k

2016-07-04 Thread Ron Lauzon
Hold the reset button on the back, then press Control-Break. On Mon, Jul 4, 2016 at 7:07 AM, Josh Malone wrote: > What procedure should I use for a cold start? I figured the memory power > should do it. > > > On Jul 3, 2016 10:52 PM, "John R. Hogerhuis" wrote: >> >> Sounds like it is crashed.

Re: [M100] 32k M102 suddenly showing 24k

2016-07-04 Thread Josh Malone
What procedure should I use for a cold start? I figured the memory power should do it. On Jul 3, 2016 10:52 PM, "John R. Hogerhuis" wrote: > Sounds like it is crashed. Try cold starting it and see if memory is back > to normal. The typical ways this happens is running an ML program with a > bug

Re: [M100] 32k M102 suddenly showing 24k

2016-07-03 Thread John R. Hogerhuis
Sounds like it is crashed. Try cold starting it and see if memory is back to normal. The typical ways this happens is running an ML program with a bug or attempting to load a untokenized basic program with a BA extension. Logical operators can be used for masking and whatnot. But to shift in BASI

[M100] 32k M102 suddenly showing 24k

2016-07-03 Thread Josh Malone
So, I was sitting down to hack on some basic code ( https://www.reddit.com/r/retrobattlestations/comments/4qs0f3/july_is_basic_month_the_challenge_turtle_graphics/) and typed in a quick basic statement to verify that Tandy 102 basic has bitwise operators (it seems to). The command was something li