OSS Advocacy (was - Re: A Wheeler by anyother name...)

2003-03-16 Thread Sherm Pendley
Okay, the point's been made. Puneet made a rude comment, and was less than courteous when he posted a public reply to Randal's private email. If we're all done spanking him for it, can we get back to his real question? On Friday, March 14, 2003, at 01:52 PM, Puneet Kishor wrote: I was looking

Re: A Wheeler by anyother name...

2003-03-16 Thread Robin
I love these kinds of threads, everything reduced to black and white. while we're at it, can anyone suggest * a good text editor for editing perl scripts? * a decent OS * who should be running Apple * which is the most secure version of Unix * which is the least secure version of Unix * why the

Re: A Wheeler by anyother name...

2003-03-16 Thread Randal L. Schwartz
Dan == Dan Brian [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dan A few seem to have missed the fact that Randal sent a private message Dan to Puneet. This isn't acceptable regardless of the point, context, or Dan argument. It should have remained private. The rest is between them. For clarification, the this

Re: CPAN Newbie: when to sudo?

2003-03-16 Thread Puneet Kishor
On Sunday, March 16, 2003, at 11:13 AM, Riccardo Perotti wrote: I had my first CPAN adventure today. .. ... which leads me to think that I have to sudo at some point (right?). If so, when would the correct time be? .. right at the beginning. sudo perl -MCPAN -e shell that's how I do it and

Re: CPAN Newbie: when to sudo?

2003-03-16 Thread Riccardo Perotti
On 03/16/2003 12:16 PM, Puneet Kishor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sunday, March 16, 2003, at 11:13 AM, Riccardo Perotti wrote: ... which leads me to think that I have to sudo at some point (right?). If so, when would the correct time be? .. right at the beginning. sudo perl -MCPAN

Re: CPAN Newbie: when to sudo?

2003-03-16 Thread Puneet Kishor
On Sunday, March 16, 2003, at 11:23 AM, Riccardo Perotti wrote: On 03/16/2003 12:16 PM, Puneet Kishor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sunday, March 16, 2003, at 11:13 AM, Riccardo Perotti wrote: ... which leads me to think that I have to sudo at some point (right?). If so, when would the correct

Re: A Wheeler by anyother name...

2003-03-16 Thread Dan Brian
Dan A few seem to have missed the fact that Randal sent a private message Dan to Puneet. This isn't acceptable regardless of the point, context, or Dan argument. It should have remained private. The rest is between them. For clarification, the this isn't acceptable was Puneet's reposting of my

CPAN woes continue

2003-03-16 Thread Charlie Root
Can't get CPAN to upgrade: G400 768MB 10.2.4 Perl 5.6.0 The messages look like this: (pages of this) Going to read /Users/ellem/.cpan/sources/authors/01mailrc.txt.gz Going to read /Users/ellem/.cpan/sources/authors/01mailrc.txt.gz Going to read /Users/ellem/.cpan/sources/authors/01mailrc.txt.gz

Re: CPAN Newbie: when to sudo?

2003-03-16 Thread Chris Devers
On Sun, 16 Mar 2003, Riccardo Perotti wrote: On 03/16/2003 12:16 PM, Puneet Kishor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sunday, March 16, 2003, at 11:13 AM, Riccardo Perotti wrote: ... which leads me to think that I have to sudo at some point (right?). If so, when would the correct time be?

DBD::mysql dyld problems

2003-03-16 Thread Drew Taylor
And back to perl... Last night I installed the Complete Mysql package from Apple's Unix software page (http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/unix_open_source/completemysql.html). I previously had some version of mysql installed, but blew it all away before installing this new package. Now, when

please end this (Re: A .. by anyother name...)

2003-03-16 Thread Puneet Kishor
On Saturday, March 15, 2003, at 05:13 PM, Nathan Torkington wrote: And if anyone's wondering What Would Tim Do?, I think Tim would want this thread to end so we can get back doing actual work with Perl on Mac OS X. yes, please. And since I started this sordid saga, indulge me by letting me have

Re: CPAN Newbie: when to sudo?

2003-03-16 Thread Phil Dobbin
On 16/3/03 17:23, Riccardo Perotti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 03/16/2003 12:16 PM, Puneet Kishor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sunday, March 16, 2003, at 11:13 AM, Riccardo Perotti wrote: ... which leads me to think that I have to sudo at some point (right?). If so, when would the

Re: CPAN woes continue

2003-03-16 Thread Phil Dobbin
On 16/3/03 17:50, Charlie Root [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can't get CPAN to upgrade: G400 768MB 10.2.4 Perl 5.6.0 The messages look like this: (pages of this) Going to read /Users/ellem/.cpan/sources/authors/01mailrc.txt.gz Going to read

Re: CPAN Newbie: when to sudo?

2003-03-16 Thread Sherm Pendley
On Sunday, March 16, 2003, at 12:58 PM, Chris Devers wrote: That's why there's no option to run individual CPAN.pm commands as sudo Well, actually... there is. Just let me put on my Pedant Hat for a moment, while I explain... Newbies don't need to know any of this, by the way - it's mostly for

Re: please end this (Re: A .. by anyother name...)

2003-03-16 Thread Trey Harris
In a message dated Sun, 16 Mar 2003, Puneet Kishor writes: 5. I made the original posting on the list, not to any one person privately. All responses to that should be made to the list. This is an interpretation of netiquette I've never heard of, and I've been on the net for well over a decade.

Re: CPAN Newbie: when to sudo?

2003-03-16 Thread Scott R. Godin
Riccardo Perotti wrote: I had my first CPAN adventure today. Following Charles Albrecht¹s advice in a reply to a Jim Correia¹s post, I started by upgrading to CPAN 1.70. Everything went cool. I then went on installing other modules (Bundle::libnet, etc.), but noticed that some stuff had

Re: please end this (Re: A .. by anyother name...)

2003-03-16 Thread Scott R. Godin
Trey Harris wrote: In a message dated Sun, 16 Mar 2003, Puneet Kishor writes: 5. I made the original posting on the list, not to any one person privately. All responses to that should be made to the list. This is an interpretation of netiquette I've never heard of, and I've been on the net

OT: Re: please end this (Re: A .. by anyother name...)

2003-03-16 Thread Mike Schienle
On Sunday, March 16, 2003, at 11:05 AM, Puneet Kishor wrote: 2. I did not mean any disrespect to Tim. Now I realize that some can be offended by it, however, I would feel justifiably reprimanded _only_ if the reprimand came from Tim. Many folks on this list had harsh words for me, directly or

Re: CPAN Newbie: when to sudo?

2003-03-16 Thread Chris Devers
On Sun, 16 Mar 2003, Sherm Pendley wrote: Strictly speaking, only the final make install must be run as root. You can do this with the CPAN shell, too. Just run it normally, without sudo. Instead of using install Foo, use test Foo instead; this will cause the CPAN shell to download, unpack,

Re: OT: Re: please end this (Re: A .. by anyother name...)

2003-03-16 Thread Geoffrey F. Green
On 3/16/03 4:56 PM, Mike Schienle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In Germany they came first for the Communists, and I didn¹t speak up because I wasn¹t a Communist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn¹t speak up because I wasn¹t a Jew. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn¹t speak

Re: OT: Re: please end this (Re: A .. by anyother name...)

2003-03-16 Thread Rich Morin
At 2:56 PM -0700 3/16/03, Mike Schienle wrote: Perhaps this quote will help you understand Randal's response. In Germany they came first for the Communists, ... Protestant minister Martin Neimoller, reflecting on Germany's fall to the Nazis IIRC, a reference to Nazis is a definitive reason for

Re: DBD::mysql dyld problems (fixed)

2003-03-16 Thread Drew Taylor
Drew Taylor said: And back to perl... Last night I installed the Complete Mysql package from Apple's Unix software page (http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/unix_open_source/completemysql.html). I previously had some version of mysql installed, but blew it all away before installing this

Re: CPAN Newbie: when to sudo?

2003-03-16 Thread Jeremy Mates
* Chris Devers [EMAIL PROTECTED] Still, that is an interesting way to do... just in time sudo rights. OpenBSD does this for their src and ports system; setting SUDO=sudo in the /etc/mk.conf causes the Makefiles that control the installation of software to do the install steps via sudo. A quick

Re: OT: Re: please end this (Re: A .. by anyother name...)

2003-03-16 Thread Kay Roepke
On Sunday, March 16, 2003, at 11:15 PM, Rich Morin wrote: At 2:56 PM -0700 3/16/03, Mike Schienle wrote: Perhaps this quote will help you understand Randal's response. In Germany they came first for the Communists, ... Protestant minister Martin Neimoller, reflecting on Germany's fall to the

Re: OT: Re: please end this (Re: A .. by anyother name...)

2003-03-16 Thread Mike Schienle
On Sunday, March 16, 2003, at 03:11 PM, Geoffrey F. Green wrote: On 3/16/03 4:56 PM, Mike Schienle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Protestant minister Martin Neimoller, reflecting on Germanys fall to the Nazis Maybe that will help you reconsider if the reprimand was justified. Now I'm offended. Jews

Re: OT: Re: please end this (Re: A .. by anyother name...)

2003-03-16 Thread Charlie Root
On Sunday, March 16, 2003, at 06:52 PM, Lou Moran wrote: On Sunday, March 16, 2003, at 04:56 PM, Mike Schienle wrote: Perhaps this quote will help you understand Randal's response. In Germany they came first for the Communists, and I didnt speak up because I wasnt a Communist. Then they came for

Segfaulting away...

2003-03-16 Thread Kay Roepke
Hi people! To return to normal: Has anyone of you experiencing a quickening of segfaults all over OS X the last days? For me it started with segfaults in ProjectBuilder, InterfaceBuilder, Finder and X11. Now I wanted to track some perl bug down (using ddd/gdb and X11) and I'm getting: