If they do, I hope they have a plug.
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Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 4:55 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Mac Mini and carry on baggage?
I've done t
Hi.
Has anyone every taken a Mac Mini with in in their carry on? Does it give
security a fit, or do they let it pass through?
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Here is the setup.exe for Windows 8. You will need a license. This app
will simply download the iso file from Microsoft.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/k60whsapvrabws7/Windows8-Setup.exe
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Hi.
I have a 1tb drive, and I want o backup my two 500g Mac Mini drives. I
also want to clone the OS drive. I think there is a way to copy the second
drive onto the same backup drive as a disk image so that if I boot from my
USB drive, that second drive will also be available from my USB drive.
Hi.
So I am guessing I use the Windows-W to run command, but what is the
filename? VMWareToolboxCmd tool does not show up. Thanks.
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Sent: Saturday, July 26,
Hi.
I have no snapshots on my current VM machine, and I have done a disk defrag.
I then shut down the machine and went to the virtual machine library. It
reports I can reclaim about 10gig, but I cannot seem to find the button to
begin the process.Any suggestions appreciated.
Bill
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Hi.
I have had great success installing Windows 7 without sighted assistance in
a virtual machine, but Win 8 stops at some point and I cannot get speech.
Does anyone know where the holdup is, and if there is some way around this?
Bill
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Hi.
I have also had this happen when VM Fusion puts up a message alerting that a
new version is ready for installation.
Bill
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cable card question
> wouldn't mind knowing this myself the only free non incriptded is the over
> the air channels on my cable system so I to will need a cable card
> Hank
>
>
> On 6/26/2014 7:51 PM, Bill Holton wrote:
>> Hi.
>> The such a creature exists? My cable compa
Hi.
The such a creature exists? My cable company just encrypted their signal, and
my old TV tuner stick doesn't work anymore.
Thanks.
Bill
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Subject: Re: Screenless mac.
I've heard this is no longer
Hi.
Can someone recommend a good podcast or other resource for using iTunes on
the Mac with VoiceOver? Thanks.
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So what were you doing in Windows to test network connectivity?
CB
On 6/14/14, 6:05 PM, Bill Holton wrote:
Hi.
I created another VM on a second Mac with a second copy of Windows. Everything
seemed to install
Hi.
I created another VM on a second Mac with a second copy of Windows.
Everything seemed to install correctly, but I have no networking in the VM.
The Devices menu shows that the network adapter is connected, and the NAT
option is checked.
Networking works fine on my Mac Mini. Does anyone hav
Hi.
I have a Mac Mini, i7 with six gig of memory until I can upgrade to 16 next
month. I have the current memory split 50-50, but what about the four
processors? How should I divide them between Windows and Mavericks for
optimum performance? Thanks.
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gt; settings, kicks you into a sub level of the toolbar I think and
> uninteracting once or twice will let you move again.
>
>> On Jun 4, 2014, at 8:29 PM, Bill Holton wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone hi.
>> When I close my virtual machine and c
Sent from my iPhone hi.
When I close my virtual machine and call up the settings and click memory, all
I get is go left, go right. Can someone tell me how I can get to the memory
allocation settings so that I can divide the memory better?
Thanks.
Bill
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I have a control in an application that has a button labeled Details. It is
supposed to call up a list of advanced settings not usually covered in the
one tab of settings that is open. I have tried spacebar, a double tap on
the trackpad, a left click, VO shift and VO Shift spacebar. Nothing
e vm when I'm not going to be using windows but I am going
to be working on the Mac side. This keeps the vm from draining valuable
battery life which it can do at an alarming rate - just watch things in
Activity monitor if you want to know the impact of an active VM verses a
suspended VM.
: Waking up a virtual machine
The keystroke for full screen is CTRL CMD F.
Matt Dierckens
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On Apr 2, 2014, at 9:42 AM, Bill Holton wrote:
I do try pressing Shift command F when I first
I do try pressing Shift command F when I first try waking up the machine, in
case it has somehow gotten out of full screen mode, but it doesn't seem to
help.
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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent:
Hi.
Using Windows 7 64 bit in a VM Fusion virtual machine, whenever I walk away
from it for more than an hour or so, I have a devil of a time getting back
into the VM. I have both the VM and my Mac Mini set to never go to sleep,
and yet when I return the only thing I can get to is the Mac Fusion
Hi.
I, too, would like to know the answer. I tried installing Win 8 but it came
up with no speech or abilityto turn on narrator.
Bill
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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
Sent: Monday, March 31, 201
Hi there.
So that is one giant DUH for me. Yes, I had quick nav on, and when I turned
it off things worked much better. But as long as I was checking my
mouse/keyboard settings, below is a rundown of my settings, if anyone has
any suggestions of settings I should change. Thanks in advance.
Map
Hi.
Is there any reason why I cannot run a virtual machine in Fusion created
with the more seamless option? I seem to be having trouble, I cannot turn
VO off and on while the VM is open, and neither command tab nor option tab
seem to be moving me from the VM back to Mavericks. Perhaps I am doing
You happen a few minutes to go on Skype? If you do, my Skype ID is my full name
Bill Holton with no spaces and all small letters
Sent from my iPhone
> On Mar 11, 2014, at 2:24 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
>
> The latest version I have is 2.6.2 and that one I just now installed and have
&
this must still be going
on. Guess I'll have to wait for sighted help.
Bill
Sent from my iPhone
> On Mar 11, 2014, at 1:00 PM, isaac wrote:
>
> Have you tried pressing window u to load narrator.
>> On Mar 11, 2014, at 11:48 AM, Bill Holton wrote:
>>
>>
>
es and you're good to go.
>
>
>
>
> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind
> built-in!
>
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!
>
>> On Mar 11, 2014, at 11:53 AM, Bill
n and see if that will work for
>> you.
>>> On Mar 11, 2014, at 10:29 AM, Bill Holton wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi.
>>> I was not able to access theDropbox settings from my e xtras menu, so I went
>>> to check if I have the latest version. I then noticed
Sent from my iPhone hi.
I am trying to create a fusion virtual machine using a Windows 8 ISO. I chose
the easy install, but after an hour I still don't show windows. Will I need
sighted help to complete the installation?
Thanks.
Bill
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Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind
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Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!
On Mar 11, 2014, at 9:05 AM, Bill Holton wrote:
> Not sure I spoke correc
ch 11, 2014 9:58 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Another dropbox question
First unshare the folder then next move the folder like you would move any
other folder then next reshare the folder.
On Mar 11, 2014, at 8:15 AM, Bill Holton wrote:
> Hi.
> How can I change where
Hi.
How can I change where my dropbox folder sits? I want to move it to a
different drive where I have a lot more space. Thanks.
Bill
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Absolutely nothing. I had a kernel panic, had to reinstall Mavericks from a
completely erased drive, and when I was finished my Bootcamp was fine.
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Anyone have experience using a ScanSnap scanner to do OCR on the Mac?
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Hi. I am trying to reinstall Mavericks using the OS reinstall option on set up
I can select my drive and I can download Mavericks all the way to 100%, but
then it gets stuck on downloading additional components. I have let it run for
your four hours at a time, with no good effect. How long does
; MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
>
>
>
>> On Mar 1, 2014, at 4:01 PM, Bill Holton wrote:
>>
>> Hi.
>> Apparently it looks like my problem may be that I am not running as root. I
>> am running as admin. What is the difference and
Bill Holton
Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2014 2:36 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: clean install with disc maker x?
Hi.
I am still having major issues creating a Mavericks startup disk.
I have tried Disk X both with an 8 gig stick and an 80 gig usb drive.
I have both formatted to
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> On Feb 28, 2014, at 2:58 PM, "Bill Holton" wrote:
>
> Hi.
> I have downloaded the Mavericks install app, it is in my apps direct
Hi.
I have downloaded the Mavericks install app, it is in my apps directory I
Nextel loaded disk maker ex, I have put it into my apps folder as well. When I
try to run disk make her ex, though, I get the files from the Internet message,
then this may correct opens to an empty screen, it stays em
Hi.
My wife was looking at my screen last night, and she mentioned that I have a
box tracking the cursor. I cannot find anywhere to turn this off. Can
someone suggest a starting place? Thanks.
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Hi.
I have a process called gssd that is burning up processer resources. I
cannot find on the web what this process is. Anyone know?
Thanks.
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Have you tried the move to next container option in the rotor? You may have
to go to settings and add it.
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Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 12:06 PM
To: macv
t, but I guess doug and
Dan have well stocked RRSP's at this point and don't really have to giddyup
these days.
>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>> or on the we
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is a screen
Hi.
I have been trying to install the Amazon music uploader so I can synch my
local music, but I keep getting a Need a newer version of flash message.
This despite the fact that I just installed the latest flash. I also get
the same message in Chrome, which comes with the latest Flash. Any though
Hi.
I am getting a "Newer version of Flash must be installed," message. I have
the latest version. I have it set to allow local storage in the system
preferences, but I am still getting the message. I am sure this is a simple
error on my part. Can someone educate me? Thanks.
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Glad it is resolved.
Later.
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Fort McMurray, AB Canada
On Jan 7, 2014, at 12:44 PM, Bill Holton wrote:
Hi.
Apparently, one time when my router was down, my Choo Choo Mac joined my
neighbor's Wi-Fi. I changed it back to my
.
Later.
Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada
On Jan 7, 2014, at 11:25 AM, Bill Holton wrote:
No. It is not there.
When I do a shift-command K to call up the network, I click on it and all
the computers-Mac and PC--that are attached show up. I can cursor down the
list, but if I try
network
Hi,
When in the Sidebar, do you see your other Mac in the Shared section?
Later.
Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada
On Jan 6, 2014, at 2:02 PM, Bill Holton wrote:
Hi.
It seems to be step three where I get hung up. I do open the network
drives, including the second
ssions for the given share by pressing cmd-i (Get Info) on the
shared item. This should be done from the computer providing the share.
Later.
Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada
On Jan 6, 2014, at 11:29 AM, Bill Holton wrote:
Hi.
I have turned on file sharing on both compute
that it exists but if you
haven't enabled the File Sharing service, then connecting to it is
difficult.
Later.
Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada
On Jan 6, 2014, at 9:45 AM, Bill Holton wrote:
Hi.
I can see my second Mini on the shift-command-k network menu, but I c
Hi.
I can see my second Mini on the shift-command-k network menu, but I cannot
access it. I tried highlighting the computer name and pressing command-o,
left clicking, right clicking, pressing enter and doubletapping my
trackpad. Anyone with suggestions, thanks much.
Bill
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.
On 1/3/14 1:10 PM, Bill Holton wrote:
Hi.
I am running a Mini with two drives. I accidentally did an eject command on
the second rive, called Data, and I cannot find it now. It does not show
Hi.
I am running a Mini with two drives. I accidentally did an eject command on
the second rive, called Data, and I cannot find it now. It does not show up
in the go to computer list, and it is not in the trash. Any help tracking
down my wayward drive would be most appreciated.
Bill
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>>> On Dec 27, 2013, at 6:36 PM, Byron J. Lee wrote:
>>>
>>>> I actually have a question regarding installing Windows 7 on a Macbook
>>>> Air. How do you install Win7 if you don't have a CD playe
Hi.
I know you cannot bootcamp a Mac to install Windows 7 without sighted help.
But what about Windows 8? Canyou get Narrator to start up at installation?
Also, has anyone tried using the talking Windows 7 installer to Bootcamp
their Mac? Thanks much.
Bill
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CB
On 12/17/13 1:29 PM, Bill Holton wrote:
> Hi.
> I am not sure if the USB sound card I have supports an optical in. What
> would the jack look like? And which mini port would I use? That certainly
> would make it
Windows network is just piped
through whatever your Mac is using and apparently the same thing for
sound. My comment was referring to using the built-in optical connector
to send 5.1 sound to your receiver rather than some kind of USB thingie.
CB
On 12/17/13 9:06 AM, Bill Holton wrote:
> Hi.
, can
you just plug it in directly and skip the USB sound card stuff? Simpler
might make it work better.
CB
On 12/7/13 2:14 PM, Bill Holton wrote:
> Hi.
> I have installed my Bootcamp partion as a VM machine. I have done this on a
> Mac Mini, and I have not only the Mini's
I used the keyboard settings in the Mac settings to switc
h them one for the other. It makes it a lot easier to use a PC keyboard. But
even on my Mac keyboard Window-Eyes seems to be interferring with my ability to
use Option-tab to tab between programs, that keyboard has factory settings.
On D
Yes, that is the key I am pressing. The Windows key is the option key on a
Mac keyboard.
On Dec 10, 2013, at 11:40 AM, Barry Hadder wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Try option-tab.
>
> On Dec 10, 2013, at 10:03 AM, Bill Holton wrote:
>
> Hi.
> I have the latest version of Windo
Hi.
I have the latest version of Window-Eyes working well in a VM Fusion
machine, except for one minor problem. When in a VM machine, Windows-tab
is supposed to move you from program to program, like alt-tab usually does.
It works fine using Narrator, but with WE, it doesn't. Instead of
alt-tab
Hi.
I have installed my Bootcamp partion as a VM machine. I have done this on a
Mac Mini, and I have not only the Mini's internal speakers, but also a USB
sound card attached to 5.1 speakers set. My Windows partition only speaks in
the Mini speaker, the Mac through the USB. If I go to the dev
Hi.
If you check the box to ignore Mac commands, how do you then leave VM and
return to Mac OS? Thanks.
Bill
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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Caitlyn furness
Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 2:44 PM
To: macvisi
Hi.
Wanted to upgrade from VM Fusion 4 to 6. Looks like the upgrade price is
$48, the new price ~is $38. Am I missing something?
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Hi.
I am running the latest call recorder with the latest Skype. I have Call
recorder set to record high resolution, audio only, and to record
automatically. Trouble is, it is only recording my microphone. It is not
recording the call itself. What setting have I missed? I am using a USB mik
t settings of Handbrake and got a nice playable mp4 file.
Quicktime player 7 would open the file and ID the codec but it wouldn't
play it.
CB
On 9/13/13 11:04 AM, Bill Holton wrote:
> Not sure. How would I figure that out?
> Thanks.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From
format?
AVI is a container like quicktime. Do you know what format the stuff
inside is?
CB
On 9/13/13 10:07 AM, Bill Holton wrote:
> Hi.
> I have a number of .avi files I would like to add to my iTunes library./
> What is the best way to convert them to an iTunes compatible format
Hi.
I have a number of .avi files I would like to add to my iTunes library./ What
is the best way to convert them to an iTunes compatible format? Thanks.
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Can I set up my Mini to accept airplay from my iPhone/? Thanks.
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Hi.
I have Bootcamped my Mini, and I have also set up VM with a virtual machine
using my bootcamp partition. My problem is, when I move back and forth from
Boot camp to the VM machine, Office 2010 keeps asking me to re-authenticate
my copy of office. I am guessing there is some simple solution
Hi.
What is the proper way to alt tab among the various windows in a Win 7
virtual machine? Alt tab takes me out of the VM.
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Hi.
I was able to get Windows 7 working under a VM window, using my bootcamp
drive. But I have a few more questions.
First, what do I need to do to be able to alt tab through my Win 7 windows?
Second, when I do leave the Win 7 window and turn VO back on and do a bit
with the Mac, when I r
itter.com/BarryHadder
> UnitMaster
> Available in the Mac app store.
>
>
>
>
> On Jun 14, 2013, at 8:44 AM, Bill Holton wrote:
>
> Hi.
> Do you know which number podcast it is that helps with VM Fusion and
> bootcamp? I wasn't able to find it. Thanks.
&g
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You can see more about this on my guide of installing and setting up
bootcamp without sighted assistance from
www.applevis.com
Chris
On 13/06/2013 22:51, Bill Holton wrote:
> Hi.
> I am trying to use my Boot Camp Windows inst
Hi.
I am trying to use my Boot Camp Windows installation to create VM fusion
virtual PC. Can someone help me get started?
The only options I see are to migrate a different computer into VMware on the
same network and to install from a disc. If the migration assistant the one I
should use for
hing important in there.
> On May 24, 2013, at 1:16 PM, Bill Holton wrote:
>
>> Hi.
>> Somewhow i seem to have nearly added my entire contact list to the VIP
>> mailbox. Is there an easy way I can delete the entire VIP list? Thanks.
>>
>> --
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Thanks.
Were you able to complete the install yourself or did you need sighted help?
On May 23, 2013, at 4:32 AM, Oriol Gómez wrote:
> I'm using windows 8 with bootcamp right now and it definitely works... :D
>
> On 5/22/13, Bill Holton wrote:
>> Actually, an Apple represe
Hi.
Somewhow i seem to have nearly added my entire contact list to the VIP
mailbox. Is there an easy way I can delete the entire VIP list? Thanks.
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>
> - Original Message - From: "Bill Holton"
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> Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 10:29 AM
> Subject: Windows 8 and boot camp
>
>
>> Hi.
>> Has anyone done a boot camp install with Windows 8? I have several
>>
Hi.
Has anyone done a boot camp install with Windows 8? I have several questions,
perhaps for off list? Thanks.
Bill
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> 7. So it won't see the VM file.
> On 2013-05-13, at 8:18 PM, Bill Holton wrote:
>
>> Hi.
>> I downloaded and installed the 4.1.4 upgrade for VM Fusion today, and it
>> seems to have screwed up my Windows installation. Unfortunately, I r
Hi.
I downloaded and installed the 4.1.4 upgrade for VM Fusion today, and it seems
to have screwed up my Windows installation. Unfortunately, I really need a
reliable Win box right now. Here'smy question. As I understand it, you need a
full copy of Windows 7 to do bootcamp. All I have is an
Hi.
I tried running VM for the first time in awhile, this morning, and got the
following error. Is there an updated version I need to download, and if so,
can someone give me the link?
You can’t use this version of the application “VMware Fusion.app” with this
version of OS You have “VMware Fu
Thanks. I seem to be having the same problem with my Windows computer, so I
think the problem is something on the site.
BILL HOLTON
Email:<mailto:b...@bholton.com> b...@bholton.com
P:386-624-6309 C: 386-624-3255
Home Office: 1520 Lo
Hi.
I have been using my Mini with the sound coming out of an old set of
speakers with a headset size jack. The speakers work fine, I can connect
them to my Stream and the sound is fine. But starting this morning the Mini
doesn't seem to want to accept them. The sound will work from the built-in
I will double check, but I don't think that's it, since the replay on the
Skype test call is very loud, including the recording of my voice.
BILL HOLTON
Email: b...@bholton.com
P: 386-624-6309 C: 386-624-3255
Home Office:1520 Loughton ST
Hi.
When I record a call with Call Recorder via Skype, my end of the
conversation is very low volume compared to the other end of the call. Is
there any way I can bump this up?
BILL HOLTON
Email:<mailto:b...@bholton.com> b...@bholton.com
P:
now, the skype.mp3 files won't play in iTunes, I have to move them into my
dropbox and onto my Win machine to play them.
BILL HOLTON
Email:<mailto:b...@bholton.com> b...@bholton.com
P:386-624-6309 C: 386-624-3255
Home Office: 1520
what I may have done wrong greatly appreciated.
BILL HOLTON
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Hi.
Thanks for this lead. I pinged their support email, but no response so far.
Do you have other email addresses I can try?
Also, would love to hear off list about other developers you have contacted
for accessibility issues.
My email address below.
Thanks.
BILL HOLTON
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Hi.
I am going to purchase a license for Audio Hijack Pro today, and wondering
if it's worth it to buy the AHJ and Fission bundle, which is discounted. Is
Fission accessible?
Thanks.
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