RE: QA process = bug fixing disincentive?

2009-11-04 Thread tero.kojo
Andrew Flegg wrote. Jeremiah wrote: Shall we put a checkbox by the package promotion page, or somewhere where we remember, which keeps all accrued karma? That's probably a good first step, however I wonder if long term something like Marius suggested might be better: remaining

Re: QA process = bug fixing disincentive?

2009-11-04 Thread Andrew Flegg
On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 09:03, tero.k...@nokia.com wrote: Two days later I notice a blinking orange light in my status bar. I see a new version of the application. I install, I check what has changed (minor or major?), I run my tests and thumb it up again. Aside: how do you check what has

Re: RE: Re: Maemo5 on Beagleboard

2009-11-04 Thread Henning Heinold
On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 01:57:11PM +0100, Till Harbaum wrote: Hi, It's in the alpha patch Found it. Unfortunately it doesn't help. I think i need some help of an x-server expert here. The problems with my touchscreen are related to this: (**) eGalax Inc. USB TouchController: Device:

RE: QA process = bug fixing disincentive?

2009-11-04 Thread tero.kojo
Andrew Flegg wrote: On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 09:03, tero.k...@nokia.com wrote: Two days later I notice a blinking orange light in my status bar. I see a new version of the application. I install, I check what has changed (minor or major?), I run my tests and thumb it up again. Aside:

How to Send SMS programatically in Maemo

2009-11-04 Thread ibrahim
greetings; I Want To Implement An App For Sending And Receiving SMS. I looked for telepathy and DBus APIs ,took a look at articles and books like http://people.collabora.co.uk/~danni/telepathy-book/ , but didn't help me much I also read the Bluetooth example code provided in maemo.org

Re: QA process = bug fixing disincentive?

2009-11-04 Thread Attila Csipa
On Wednesday 04 November 2009 10:28:58 Andrew Flegg wrote: On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 09:03, tero.k...@nokia.com wrote: Two days later I notice a blinking orange light in my status bar. I see a new version of the application. I install, I check what has changed (minor or major?), I run my

Re: maemo-optify, autobuilder /opt

2009-11-04 Thread Attila Csipa
On Tuesday 03 November 2009 23:40:24 Graham Cobb wrote: debugging, I need to be able to control exactly which versions of various libraries are being used for that particular build including, sometimes, old versions. And I often have different targets with different library versions

python-dbus Re: Autobuilder repository priority ?

2009-11-04 Thread Anderson Lizardo
On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 4:31 PM, Attila Csipa ma...@csipa.in.rs wrote: Foreword: My particular problem is not that big of an issue, in the end I went for extras-devel compatibility, no big deal, it's not yet for end users anyway. It's the generic approach that is at question here - tomorrow

Re: QA process = bug fixing disincentive?

2009-11-04 Thread Riku Voipio
ext Henrik Hedberg wrote: Tim Teulings wrote: Except how do you try to prevent abuse (whether intentional or accidental)? At least with the version number you've got some safety check (although it is in no way comprehensive). It also requires more changes at more levels (I bet), so

Re: Autobuilder repository priority ?

2009-11-04 Thread Anderson Lizardo
On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 4:31 PM, Attila Csipa ma...@csipa.in.rs wrote: On Tuesday 03 November 2009 18:58:04 Anderson Lizardo wrote: Can you be more specific? Which paths are those? How does this affect your package? Okay, I backtracked my steps as far as I could, and it *seems* the actual

Re: QA process = bug fixing disincentive?

2009-11-04 Thread Marius Vollmer
Voipio Riku (Nokia-D/Helsinki) riku.voi...@nokia.com writes: Every company has software testers, yet it doesn't mean they dont trust their developers :) I think there are two kinds of trust on the table here: trust in developers not to make mistakes, and trust in developers not to abuse the

How to remove an app from extras-testing?

2009-11-04 Thread Till Harbaum
Hi, how can i have programs removed from extras-testing? Till ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers

Re: How to remove an app from extras-testing?

2009-11-04 Thread Andrew Flegg
On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 13:19, Till Harbaum li...@harbaum.org wrote: how can i have programs removed from extras-testing? Ask X-Fade (ni...@maemo.org), but since he's on holiday, Jeremiah (jerem...@maemo.org). HTH, Andrew -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:and...@bleb.org | http://www.bleb.org/

Re: python-dbus Re: Autobuilder repository priority ?

2009-11-04 Thread Anderson Lizardo
On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 8:25 AM, Johannes Schmid johannes.sch...@openismus.com wrote: Hi! Johannes: any problems with that? Sure, so I must admit I cannot remeber uploading this package. But I suppose something is depending on python2.5-dbus which should be fixed. Can you check this in the

Re: QA process = bug fixing disincentive?

2009-11-04 Thread Jeremiah Foster
On Nov 4, 2009, at 12:49, Attila Csipa wrote: On Wednesday 04 November 2009 10:28:58 Andrew Flegg wrote: On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 09:03, tero.k...@nokia.com wrote: Two days later I notice a blinking orange light in my status bar. I see a new version of the application. I install, I check

Re: How to remove an app from extras-testing?

2009-11-04 Thread Jeremiah Foster
On Nov 4, 2009, at 14:24, Andrew Flegg wrote: On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 13:19, Till Harbaum li...@harbaum.org wrote: how can i have programs removed from extras-testing? Ask X-Fade (ni...@maemo.org), but since he's on holiday, Jeremiah (jerem...@maemo.org). Yes - a request to me, or even to

Re: maemo-optify, autobuilder /opt

2009-11-04 Thread Jeremiah Foster
On Nov 4, 2009, at 13:04, Attila Csipa wrote: On Tuesday 03 November 2009 23:40:24 Graham Cobb wrote: debugging, I need to be able to control exactly which versions of various libraries are being used for that particular build including, sometimes, old versions. And I often have

Re: maemo-optify, autobuilder /opt

2009-11-04 Thread Ed Bartosh
Hi, 2009/11/2 Ed Bartosh bart...@gmail.com: 2009/11/2 Marius Vollmer marius.voll...@nokia.com: [ Jussi, we would like to get a new debian-etch devkit for Maemo 5 with  the attached patch.  Please advise how to best go about this. ] ext Ed Bartosh bart...@gmail.com writes: I can also help

Re: QA process = bug fixing disincentive?

2009-11-04 Thread Graham Cobb
Attila said... On Wednesday 04 November 2009 10:28:58 Andrew Flegg wrote: On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 09:03,  tero.k...@nokia.com wrote: Two days later I notice a blinking orange light in my status bar. I see a new version of the application. I install, I check what has changed (minor or

Re: maemo-optify, autobuilder /opt

2009-11-04 Thread Graham Cobb
I did start a project to do that but i never gotr very far with it. But we really don't need it now -- sbdmock serves that need and has the advantage that it is the tool the autobuilder uses so you can use it to make sure you will build in the autolbuilder. But I wasn't referring to real

Quality Assurance and Extras-testing discussion on IRC

2009-11-04 Thread Jeremiah Foster
Hello, During the most recent Maemo.org Sprint meeting, Valerio suggested we get together on IRC and discuss the Quality Assurance process, and Extras-testing. There are a number of things to discuss, both technical and non-technical, and it would be great if we could come

Strange message from autobuilder: ERROR running /etc/buildme.d/setup_build

2009-11-04 Thread ds
I received a strange message from autobuilder, but it indicates everything is correct. I did not change my upload process?!: [2009-11-04 16:35:01] Processing package vncviewer 0.6.3-fremantle3. Uploader: dschmicker, builder: builder1 [2009-11-04 16:35:21] ERROR running /etc/buildme.d/setup_build:

Re: maemo-optify, autobuilder /opt

2009-11-04 Thread Marius Vollmer
ext Graham Cobb g+...@cobb.uk.net writes: I don't object to the autobuilder running apt-get upgrade but I would object very strongly if dpkg-buildpackage were to do an upgrade! [...] I am not sure anyone was proposing that dpkg-buildpackage would do an upgrade but wanted to point out that

Re: maemo-optify, autobuilder /opt

2009-11-04 Thread Marius Vollmer
ext Ed Bartosh bart...@gmail.com writes: Has anybody tried this devkit? Does it work as expected? I tried it by building (slightly modified versions of) xournal, hermes, and libliqbase, and everything went as expected. The slight modification was echo auto debian/optify to turn on

Re: maemo-optify, autobuilder /opt

2009-11-04 Thread Marius Vollmer
ext Ed Bartosh bart...@gmail.com writes: I didn't manage to get the devkit to compile (I didn't see a way to get it to not install into / during build), but I have a patch anyway (attached). You can learn how to do it here: http://scratchbox.org/documentation/docbook/devkit.html Yeah, it

Re: Strange message from autobuilder: ERROR running /etc/buildme.d/setup_build

2009-11-04 Thread Dave Neary
Hi, ds wrote: [2009-11-04 16:35:01] Processing package vncviewer 0.6.3-fremantle3. Uploader: dschmicker, builder: builder1 [2009-11-04 16:35:21] ERROR running /etc/buildme.d/setup_build: We trust you have received the usual lecture from the local System Administrator. It usually boils down

Re: maemo-optify, autobuilder /opt

2009-11-04 Thread Marius Vollmer
ext Ed Bartosh bart...@gmail.com writes: 2009/11/3 Marius Vollmer marius.voll...@nokia.com: Luckily, with apt-get upgrade being run during build, we don't need to change dpkg-checkbuilddeps and we can just update build-essential. (Unless I am missing something. Do I?) rootstrap is used as

Re: How to get a transparent GtkWindow (fremantle)

2009-11-04 Thread Luca Donaggio
2009/11/3 Luca Donaggio donag...@gmail.com 2009/11/3 Kimmo Hämäläinen kimmo.hamalai...@nokia.com On Tue, 2009-11-03 at 15:06 +0100, ext Luca Donaggio wrote: I'm still banging my head against a wall with this: why without reparenting the popup undecorated window to the main app window

Re: Quality Assurance and Extras-testing discussion on IRC

2009-11-04 Thread Andrew Flegg
On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 14:47, Jeremiah Foster jerem...@jeremiahfoster.com wrote: There are a number of things to discuss, both technical and non-technical, and it would be great if we could come together and create a list of actionable items so we can make the QA process as efficient and

Re: maemo-optify, autobuilder /opt

2009-11-04 Thread Ed Bartosh
2009/11/4 Marius Vollmer marius.voll...@nokia.com: ext Ed Bartosh bart...@gmail.com writes: Has anybody tried this devkit? Does it work as expected? I tried it by building (slightly modified versions of) xournal, hermes, and libliqbase, and everything went as expected. Can you elaborate a

Re: maemo-optify, autobuilder /opt

2009-11-04 Thread Andrew Flegg
On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 17:52, Ed Bartosh bart...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/11/4 Marius Vollmer marius.voll...@nokia.com: ext Ed Bartosh bart...@gmail.com writes: Has anybody tried this devkit? Does it work as expected? I tried it by building (slightly modified versions of) xournal, hermes, and

Re: maemo-optify, autobuilder /opt

2009-11-04 Thread Ed Bartosh
2009/11/4 Marius Vollmer marius.voll...@nokia.com: ext Ed Bartosh bart...@gmail.com writes: 2009/11/3 Marius Vollmer marius.voll...@nokia.com: Luckily, with apt-get upgrade being run during build, we don't need to change dpkg-checkbuilddeps and we can just update build-essential. (Unless I

Re: QA process = bug fixing disincentive?

2009-11-04 Thread Ryan Abel
On Nov 4, 2009, at 9:21 AM, Graham Cobb wrote: But the update description does not help with testing: (a) it is user friendly text, not a developer changelog and (b) the description is vs. the version already in Extras not vs. the last extras-testing version. I'd still love to see a

RE: maemo-optify, autobuilder /opt

2009-11-04 Thread marius.vollmer
From: ext Ed Bartosh [bart...@gmail.com] 2009/11/4 Marius Vollmer marius.voll...@nokia.com: ext Ed Bartosh bart...@gmail.com writes: Has anybody tried this devkit? Does it work as expected? I tried it by building (slightly modified versions of) xournal, hermes, and libliqbase, and everything

Re: Maemo5 on Beagleboard

2009-11-04 Thread Till Harbaum / Lists
Hi, Am Mittwoch 04 November 2009 schrieb Henning Heinold: did you download the latest driver from http://home.eeti.com.tw/web20/eGalaxTouchDriver/linuxDriver.htm ? Nope, i am using the driver that is present in the kernel. It comes with binary calibration and configure program called

Re: Why should it be so hard and should I even bother with Extras for fremantle?

2009-11-04 Thread tz
I was hoping to spark a discussion, and I think it worked out better than I was expecting for a rant. My thoughts on extras: (maybe instead of karma it should be called extras credit?). * I don't do games, so I would consider user/games as cluttered as someone else might consider user/cli. I

Re: Why should it be so hard and should I even bother with Extras for fremantle?

2009-11-04 Thread tz
To extend or clarify another issue: There are things which should be and are in other sections like python and associated libs. Lots of things like this and cli stuff are building-blocks, i.e. I might want to use a maintained and tested utility for several things and which others can use instead