Re: How to destroy your community

Marius Vollmer writes: > Dave, for effs sake, Joe ^^^ It's "Jeff" of course. Sorry, I blame the lack of coffee. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developer

QDesktopServices::openUrl opens always 2 web pages

I uses (in Qt 4.5) two different methods to open outside URL links: 1. A button in the Menu bar, that when clicked does: Code: void MainWindow::on_actionWebLink_triggered() { QDesktopServices::openUrl(QUrl("http://www.weblink.com";)); } 2. QTextBrowser which has opneExternalLinks set as tr

Re: How to destroy your community

ext Dave Neary writes: > I guess that the problem is that you "demand" rather than request. Dave, for effs sake, Joe is not trying to get something for him and he is not getting angry because he isn't getting it. Joe is pointing out opportunities for Maemo's improvement and he is getting irrita

Re: Backwards compatibility broken PR1.1 SDK

ext Graham Cobb writes: > I *think* that, here in Maemo, we are trying to create a model with > different goals from any of the other distributions, so our decisions may > also be different, but I certainly want us to learn from other experience. I wouldn't put it as "different goals", but wit

Re: How to destroy your community

On Wed, January 20, 2010 3:54 pm Jeff Moe wrote: > Definitely. /me takes third swing: and just who is this ISP right now? I > know akamai is in the picture, but apparently someone else is hosting the > main part (e.g. the NFS/SAN ISP). I wouldn't even go as far as say they > should be a "stakehold

Re: Backwards compatibility broken PR1.1 SDK

On Wednesday 20 January 2010 21:50:02 Jeremiah Foster wrote: > I disagree. Debian has very high quality packages and software. I don't think we are disagreeing. I am saying Debian is geared to stability and quality. I am just making the point that it achieves that by forcing things to take a l

Re: How to destroy your community

On Jan 20, 2010, at 5:29 PM, Aldon Hynes wrote: > Yet perhaps this is some of the problem. It seems like the community of > people working with devices running Maemo might be better served if it was > more distinct. As is noted on the maemo.org Terms of Use page, the site is > hosted as a 'publi

RE: How to destroy your community

Yet perhaps this is some of the problem. It seems like the community of people working with devices running Maemo might be better served if it was more distinct. As is noted on the maemo.org Terms of Use page, the site is hosted as a 'public service' by Nokia Corporation. IMHO, what would make m

Re: How to destroy your community

On Jan 20, 2010, at 5:26 PM, Jeff Moe wrote: > On Wednesday 20 January 2010 19:21:18 Ryan Abel wrote: > >> On Jan 20, 2010, at 1:04 PM, Jeff Moe wrote: >> >>> I've seen frequent mentions of how distinct maemo.org is from Nokia. But >>> the reality seems that nothing at Maemo can really happen w

Re: How to destroy your community

On Wednesday 20 January 2010 19:21:18 Ryan Abel wrote: > On Jan 20, 2010, at 1:04 PM, Jeff Moe wrote: > > > I've seen frequent mentions of how distinct maemo.org is from Nokia. But > > the reality seems that nothing at Maemo can really happen without Nokia's > > tacit approval. Is there anyone t

Re: How to destroy your community

Hi, Jeff Moe wrote: > Also, perhaps I'm missing it, but it seems really hard to even figure out who > the maemo staff is. Perhap I'm missing the obvious wiki page with this info > (ala http://wiki.maemo.org/People ). Who is the paid maemo staff? Right up at the top of the People page: "The maem

Re: How to destroy your community

On Jan 20, 2010, at 23:21, Ryan Abel wrote: > On Jan 20, 2010, at 1:04 PM, Jeff Moe wrote: > >> I've seen frequent mentions of how distinct maemo.org is from Nokia. But the >> reality seems that nothing at Maemo can really happen without Nokia's tacit >> approval. Is there anyone that has serv

Re: How to destroy your community

On Wednesday 20 January 2010 19:01:01 Valerio Valerio wrote: > > Also, perhaps I'm missing it, but it seems really hard to even figure out > > who the maemo staff is. Perhap I'm missing the obvious wiki page with this > > info (ala http://wiki.maemo.org/People ). Who is the paid maemo staff? > > h

Re: How to destroy your community

On Jan 20, 2010, at 1:04 PM, Jeff Moe wrote: > I've seen frequent mentions of how distinct maemo.org is from Nokia. But the > reality seems that nothing at Maemo can really happen without Nokia's tacit > approval. Is there anyone that has server access that isn't paid (directly or > indirectly)

RE: How to destroy your community

Jeremiah, >>Okay, so it's knives out is it? Fine. I have flame retardant underwear. :-)<< I think you just lost the battle; knives against flame retardant underwear; the knife wins. ;-D >>I know you want things to work smoothly, we all do. Believe me, the admins are working

Re: How to destroy your community

Hey, On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 9:54 PM, Jeff Moe wrote: > On Wednesday 20 January 2010 18:17:30 Jeremiah Foster wrote: > > 1. Maemo.org DNS should probably be on physically separate > networks, with redundant servers worldwide. DyDNS can do this cheaply, there > were other suggestions as wel

Re: How to destroy your community

On Wednesday 20 January 2010 18:17:30 Jeremiah Foster wrote: > 1. Maemo.org DNS should probably be on physically separate networks, > with redundant servers worldwide. DyDNS can do this cheaply, there were other > suggestions as well. Yes, would be very nice. Then the admins wouldn't have

Re: Backwards compatibility broken PR1.1 SDK

On Jan 20, 2010, at 18:24, Graham Cobb wrote: > On Wednesday 20 January 2010 16:32:23 Jeff Moe wrote: >> For what it's worth, in the Fedora buildsystem (Koji), the buildsystem is >> running with the latest updates. Perhaps investigating what the various >> other distros do (especially Debian) and

RE: How to destroy your community

> And which discussion would that be? Gee, Jeff, I don't know. Aren't mirrors part of the server infrastructure? I seem to recall a recent discussion about mirrors. Discussions about the mailing list being down, SVN moving, and R.M.O being down all fit, at least in my mind as part of the disucssi

Re: Backwards compatibility broken PR1.1 SDK

On Jan 20, 2010, at 17:32, Jeff Moe wrote: >> Can we, like with the opt problem, come to a solution with >> community power[tm]? > > For what it's worth, in the Fedora buildsystem (Koji), the buildsystem is > running with the latest updates. Perhaps investigating what the various other > distr

Re: Autobuilder build error (unmet dependencies)

On Jan 20, 2010, at 20:29, Niels Breet wrote: Is this an effect of the PR 1.1 problem and I have to rebuild libIllumination, too? >>> >>> Yes. What you see there is that libillumination0 is built >>> against newer gstreamer and libosso (from pr1.1) >>> >>> The fastest way to solve thi

Re: Empty Admin list for garage project - how to put myself back there?

Hello, nomrasco wrote: > Hi all, > > yesterday i registered my project on garage.maemo.org > and project was approved. Unfortunatelly I > decided to play a little bit with it and tried to add myself also as a > Developer to be not only Admin but also someone who 'reall

Re: How to destroy your community

Hello, Okay, so it's knives out is it? Fine. I have flame retardant underwear. :-) I know you want things to work smoothly, we all do. Believe me, the admins are working their butts off to make it so, they work long days and have been checking in on weekends too. I still see no

Empty Admin list for garage project - how to put myself back there?

Hi all, yesterday i registered my project on garage.maemo.org and project was approved. Unfortunatelly I decided to play a little bit with it and tried to add myself also as a Developer to be not only Admin but also someone who 'really' do something within the project ;) But results are bad... i

RE: How to destroy your community

Dave, I would totally side with Jeff on this one -- the whole infrastructure has been a issue for a while. I do NOT see the primary issues getting any better. Sure the servers seems to be faster; but obviously the load needs more people to be able to handle it in a timely fashion.

Re: How to destroy your community

On Wednesday 20 January 2010 16:20:35 Aldon Hynes wrote: > You can *demand*. You can also ask in a way that is likely to be more > effective or join in a discussion about how we can all work together to make > sure that we all get the best possible equipment and supporting > infrastructure. And w

RE: How to destroy your community

You can *demand*. You can also ask in a way that is likely to be more effective or join in a discussion about how we can all work together to make sure that we all get the best possible equipment and supporting infrastructure. Aldon -Original Message- From: maemo-developers-boun...@maemo

RE: Autobuilder build error (unmet dependencies)

>>> Is this an effect of the PR 1.1 problem and I have to rebuild >>> libIllumination, too? >> >> Yes. What you see there is that libillumination0 is built >> against newer gstreamer and libosso (from pr1.1) >> >> The fastest way to solve this is to submit the package again (increase >> revision) >

Re: How to destroy your community

On Wednesday 20 January 2010 15:54:53 you wrote: > Hi, > > Jeff Moe wrote: > > People have been preaching patience (not just to me, to everyone) > > since I landed here and before. Why should we be patient? Why can't > > we demand things work like they do everywhere else? I'm sure > > google/apple

RE: Autobuilder build error (unmet dependencies)

> > Is this an effect of the PR 1.1 problem and I have to rebuild > > libIllumination, too? > > Yes. What you see there is that libillumination0 is built > against newer gstreamer and libosso (from pr1.1) > > The fastest way to solve this is to submit the package again (increase > revision) Ha

Re: How to destroy your community

> I guess that the problem is that you "demand" rather than request. Really? That is the problem? The verb he used? First of all, demand is the right word. It works like this with any website on the interwebs. It's always a give and take. Every user *demands* that a website is stable and fast,

Re: Upload to fremantle-extras-builder broken?

On Wednesday 20 January 2010 16:00:45 Niels Breet wrote: > > I used to upload with dput and signed packages. Now I get no > > permission,can anybody help? I recognized that the host signature had > > changed, but I can not rememberwhat might have changed too. Thanks Detlef > > > > > > > dput.cf fi

Re: Autobuilder build error (unmet dependencies)

> Hello! Hi, > > > Is this an effect of the PR 1.1 problem and I have to rebuild > libIllumination, too? Yes. What you see there is that libillumination0 is built against newer gstreamer and libosso (from pr1.1) The fastest way to solve this is to submit the package again (increase revision) > >

Re: How to destroy your community

On Wednesday 20 January 2010 15:54:53 Dave Neary wrote: > Hi, > > Jeff Moe wrote: > > People have been preaching patience (not just to me, to everyone) > > since I landed here and before. Why should we be patient? Why can't > > we demand things work like they do everywhere else? I'm sure > > googl

Re: Upload to fremantle-extras-builder broken?

> I used to upload with dput and signed packages. Now I get no > permission,can anybody help? I recognized that the host signature had > changed, but I can not rememberwhat might have changed too. Thanks Detlef > > > dput.cf file: > > [fremantle-extras-builder] > login = dschmicker > fqdn = garage

Re: How to destroy your community

Hi, Jeff Moe wrote: > People have been preaching patience (not just to me, to everyone) > since I landed here and before. Why should we be patient? Why can't > we demand things work like they do everywhere else? I'm sure > google/apple would love for us to be patient for the next 3 years. I guess

Re: How to destroy your community

On Tuesday 19 January 2010 12:39:39 Murray Cumming wrote: > On Tue, 2010-01-19 at 08:43 -0300, Jeff Moe wrote: > > > > I don't have to be here for years to see how things are managed and > > where the problems are. > > Things are clearly in progress. It's apparently a move in the right > directi

Re: Backwards compatibility broken PR1.1 SDK

On Wednesday 20 January 2010 16:32:23 Jeff Moe wrote: > For what it's worth, in the Fedora buildsystem (Koji), the buildsystem is > running with the latest updates. Perhaps investigating what the various > other distros do (especially Debian) and doing what they do would be a good > approach (if th

Re: [maemo-devel] List emails subject prefix

> > A prefix like [maemo-dev] isn't that long, on the n900 you still have enough > room for a long subject if you like. > A prefix of [md] as suggested by Aldon is even shorter and would still be useful. Lack of screen is space is actually one of the reasons I like the prefix. If the whole subject

Re: Backwards compatibility broken PR1.1 SDK

On Monday 18 January 2010 18:08:33 Niels Breet wrote: > Hi, > > I've been discussing this issue with some people before as hypothetical > case, but now it seems that we run into it: Compiling an application > against the PR1.1 SDK creates packages which can not be installed on > earlier firmware r

Upload to fremantle-extras-builder broken?

I used to upload with dput and signed packages. Now I get no permission, can anybody help? I recognized that the host signature had changed, but I can not remember what might have changed too. Thanks Detlef dput -f fremantle-extras-builder vncviewer_0.6.5-fremantle5_source.changes Checking sig

Re: Backwards compatibility broken PR1.1 SDK

Hi, Stoppa Igor (Nokia-D/Helsinki) wrote: This really isn't hard! For the vast majority of applications there is no reason at all why they cannot be built against the first software release and install on all later releases, taking advantage of the bug fixes made since. I have been doing tha

Re: Garage mailing lists still down?

Hi, Anderson Lizardo wrote: > Hi, > > On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 10:55 AM, Ferenc Szekely wrote: >> I made requests for a DNS change and an SMTP server config change. After >> these we should be able to send mails to lists hosted on garage.maemo.org. > > Now I'm getting a different error: > > A

Re: Garage mailing lists still down?

Hi, On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 10:55 AM, Ferenc Szekely wrote: > I made requests for a DNS change and an SMTP server config change. After > these we should be able to send mails to lists hosted on garage.maemo.org. Now I'm getting a different error: ### The following message to was undeliverable.

Re: Backwards compatibility broken PR1.1 SDK

ext Graham Cobb writes: > It is still my view that, if at all possible, applications should install on > the initial release. Yes, this is very important. [ Still, it is also important to give good guidance to the user when it does have in fact to update the OS before he can install a certai

Re: Package icon within Maemo package interface

Thanks Jeremiah! Please take your time, it's not that important at all! On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 1:24 PM, Jeremiah Foster < jerem...@jeremiahfoster.com> wrote: > > On Jan 20, 2010, at 1:19 PM, Luca Donaggio wrote: > > > I've a (probably silly) question about package icons & maemo package > inter

Re: oFono

Dave Neary wrote: Oops - sorry, that wasn't supposed to go to the mailing list. Cheers, Dave. -- maemo.org docsmaster Email: dne...@maemo.org Jabber: bo...@jabber.org ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo

Re: Package icon within Maemo package interface

On Jan 20, 2010, at 1:19 PM, Luca Donaggio wrote: > I've a (probably silly) question about package icons & maemo package > interface: > > - if I upload a new version of the same package with a different icon > (urlencoded in debian/control) the corresponding package interface's instance > of

Package icon within Maemo package interface

I've a (probably silly) question about package icons & maemo package interface: - if I upload a new version of the same package with a different icon (urlencoded in debian/control) the corresponding package interface's instance of that package retains the old icon (it's the grsync case) - in one c

Re: Backwards compatibility broken PR1.1 SDK

ext Graham Cobb wrote: It is still my view that, if at all possible, applications should install on the initial release. Otherwise we lose those applications for a large part of our user base (those who got a device with an earlier version of the software and have not upgraded). this i

Re: oFono

Hi Aki, It looks like your submission has been accepted. I will confirm 100% today or tomorrow. Cheers, Dave. Aki Niemi wrote: > ma, 2010-01-11 kello 08:38 +0100, Denis-Courmont Remi (Nokia-D/Helsinki) > kirjoitti: >> On Saturday 09 January 2010 08:40:29 ext Qole, you wrote: >>> So wait, you're

Re: [maemo-devel] List emails subject prefix

Dnia środa, 20 stycznia 2010 o 11:38:46 Marius Vollmer napisał(a): > ext Marcin Juszkiewicz writes: > > But I also read mails on N900 and Modest do not have such one ;( > > Are you saying you can not get yourself a proper email client? :) I blame your employer for providing me such crappy one ;D

Re: Backwards compatibility broken PR1.1 SDK

On Wednesday 20 January 2010 10:34:53 Igor Stoppa wrote: > Hi, > > ext Graham Cobb wrote: > > We have to live with that and try to come up with a solution that is best > > for the users. In my view, that means having as many apps as possible > > available to people who are still running the initia

Re: [maemo-devel] List emails subject prefix

ext Marcin Juszkiewicz writes: > But I also read mails on N900 and Modest do not have such one ;( Are you saying you can not get yourself a proper email client? :) ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mai

Re: [maemo-devel] List emails subject prefix

Hallo! >> So what if us who can get themselves a proper mail client just configure >> them to remove these [maemo-devel] droppings on our side? > Sure, there is such option too ;) > But I also read mails on N900 and Modest do not have such one ;( Neither thunderbird AFAIK. -- Gruß... Ti

Re: [maemo-devel] List emails subject prefix

Dnia środa, 20 stycznia 2010 o 11:12:11 Marius Vollmer napisał(a): > This is one of the classic controversies, and there is no hope that we > resolve it this time. > > I used to be in the "get yourself a proper mail client" camp, but the > times are now such that this is no longer a reasonable op

Re: Backwards compatibility broken PR1.1 SDK

Hi, ext Graham Cobb wrote: We have to live with that and try to come up with a solution that is best for the users. In my view, that means having as many apps as possible available to people who are still running the initial release. That would not be very wise: you are assuming that a

Re: Reverting autobuilder to fremantle sdk maemo 5 update 1

On Tue, 2010-01-19 at 15:39 +, Graham Cobb wrote: > On Tuesday 19 January 2010 15:08:59 Kaj-Michael Lang wrote: > > And this breaks applications trying to use new packages, like > > sharing-dialog-dev > > Is this a new package in the latest SDK? Or a new version of an existing > package? AF

Re: [maemo-devel] List emails subject prefix

ext Marcin Juszkiewicz writes: >> I feel a little cheeky asking this when I've only just joined the list >> but I was wondering if anybody else thinks it is a good idea to have >> mails to this list (and the other maemo lists) prefix the subject line >> with the name of the list. > > No, No, No!

Re: [maemo-devel] List emails subject prefix

> If you don't buy it, you evidently don't do much email reading on any Maemo > devices. :) That argument goes two ways: you don't have much space but the N900 email client doesn't have any filters either. A prefix like [maemo-dev] isn't that long, on the n900 you still have enough room for a

Re: [maemo-devel] List emails subject prefix

Hi, Marcin Juszkiewicz wrote: > Get yourself proper email client which will sort your mail into folders. > There > is X-BeenThere: maemo-developers@maemo.org in each email from this ML. Personally I find that filtering email from mailing lists into folders is a sure-fire way to ensure that I ne

Re: [maemo-devel] List emails subject prefix

On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 17:45, Edward Johns wrote: > > I feel a little cheeky asking this when I've only just joined the list > but I was wondering if anybody else thinks it is a good idea to have > mails to this list (and the other maemo lists) prefix the subject line > with the name of the list.

Autobuilder build error (unmet dependencies)

Hello! What is happening here? [2010-01-20 10:14:11] fakeroot apt-get -y -q -o APT::Get::AllowUnauthenticated=1 install --no-remove libillumination0-dev libapt-pkg-dev https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/packageview_0.4.20100104-4/armel.root.log.FAILED.txt And: http://maemo.org/packages/p