Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc

2010-10-14 Thread Anssi Hannula
Michael Scherer kirjoitti: > Le mercredi 13 octobre 2010 à 20:06 +0200, Olivier Méjean a écrit : >> Le mercredi 13 octobre 2010 19:31:44, Michael Scherer a écrit : >> > Le mardi 12 octobre 2010 à 17:53 +0200, Olivier Méjean a écrit : >> > > > == And DVDCSS, etc? >> > > >> > > What's in etc

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc

2010-10-14 Thread Anssi Hannula
Anssi Hannula kirjoitti torstai, 14. lokakuuta 2010 11:07:04: > Michael Scherer kirjoitti: > > Le mercredi 13 octobre 2010 à 20:06 +0200, Olivier Méjean a écrit : > >> Le mercredi 13 octobre 2010 19:31:44, Michael Scherer a écrit : > >> > Le mardi 12 octobre 2010 à 17:53 +0200, Olivier Méjean

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc

2010-10-14 Thread Anssi Hannula
On Thursday 14 October 2010 11:34:30 Anssi Hannula wrote: > Anssi Hannula kirjoitti torstai, 14. lokakuuta 2010 11:07:04: > > Michael Scherer kirjoitti: > > > Le mercredi 13 octobre 2010 à 20:06 +0200, Olivier Méjean a écrit : > > >> Le mercredi 13 octobre 2010 19:31:44, Michael Scherer a écrit

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc

2010-10-14 Thread Tux99
On Thu, 14 Oct 2010, Anssi Hannula wrote: > > Oops, didn't notice the above posts were about DRM only, not patents... > > anyway, ibiblio contains such distros as well. > > BTW, according to 17 U.S.C. Sec. 1201(f) circumvention of protection measures > is allowed if it is necessary to achieve in

Re: [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?

2010-10-14 Thread Sinner from the Prairy
Marc Paré wrote: > Thanks for posting the site Tux99. There was talk of more user groups > doing the poll/survey. Does anyone know if this is being done? Great > data for the devs to consider. > > Marc This in the Spanish-speaking Mandriva community BlogDrake: http://blogdrake.net/encuesta/que

Re: [Mageia-dev] Proposal: Updating released versions (long post)

2010-10-14 Thread Sinner from the Prairy
Frank Griffin wrote: >> Now that's getting very hackish. >> I'd rather not have many programs wrapped in scripts that would do some >> magic on my home dir under the hood. Because with such a "solution" the >> programs would be always wrapped, even if you never do a rollback. >> How would such scr

Re: [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?

2010-10-14 Thread Tux99
Quote: Buchan Milne wrote on Thu, 14 October 2010 15:27 > What aspects of the Mandriva backports solution are not satisfactory? > > -The fact that not everything is available as a backport? Yes, more packages should be available (and as future packager I will do my part to make that happen) >

Re: [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?

2010-10-14 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-14 09:08, Sinner from the Prairy a écrit : Marc Paré wrote: Thanks for posting the site Tux99. There was talk of more user groups doing the poll/survey. Does anyone know if this is being done? Great data for the devs to consider. Marc This in the Spanish-speaking Mandriva communit

Re: [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?

2010-10-14 Thread Tux99
Just to add to my last post: It would be useful if users could disable specifc packages from being updated via the update GUI. What I mean is basically when new updates get presented (which would include new backports) the user could untick specific packages (as is possible now) but also have a s

Re: [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?

2010-10-14 Thread Tux99
Quote: marc wrote on Thu, 14 October 2010 15:49 > > Is it me or is the poll different? The overall feeling on the Spanish > Blogdrake is to "like Mandriva a stable system with upgrades and > backports" at 58%. I imagine this means keeping to Mandriva release > cycle with no changes. > > Would

Re: [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?

2010-10-14 Thread Ahmad Samir
On 14 October 2010 15:41, Tux99 wrote: > > > Quote: Buchan Milne wrote on Thu, 14 October 2010 15:27 > >> What aspects of the Mandriva backports solution are not satisfactory? >> >> -The fact that not everything is available as a backport? > > Yes, more packages should be available > (and as futur

Re: [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?

2010-10-14 Thread Tux99
Quote: Ahmad Samir wrote on Thu, 14 October 2010 16:00 > > I've seen, too many times, trigger-happy packagers backporting > packages that're not maintained by them (so they know it less than > those package maintainer(s)), breaking those packages and annoying the > maintainers of said packages. I

Re: [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?

2010-10-14 Thread Ahmad Samir
On 14 October 2010 16:14, Tux99 wrote: > > > Quote: Ahmad Samir wrote on Thu, 14 October 2010 16:00 [] >> >> Enabling them by default defies the purpose of having backports at >> all; it's not for new users, it's more for slightly experienced users >> or power users who want the latest versio

Re: [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?

2010-10-14 Thread Tux99
Quote: Ahmad Samir wrote on Thu, 14 October 2010 16:21 > Then you're not talking about new users any more... I don't know what you mean by new users, but I was talking about 'normal' user by which I mean general users without technical background (like my wife for example :) ), people that have

Re: [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?

2010-10-14 Thread Romain d'Alverny
Does anyone take notes to summarize and make a consistent proposal (be it in some way or the other) of what should be done, as well as defining some sort of personas for users (unaware, new, occasional, frequent, expert) for evaluation? Romain

Re: [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?

2010-10-14 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-14 09:57, Tux99 a écrit : Quote: marc wrote on Thu, 14 October 2010 15:49 Is it me or is the poll different? The overall feeling on the Spanish Blogdrake is to "like Mandriva a stable system with upgrades and backports" at 58%. I imagine this means keeping to Mandriva release cycle

Re: [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?

2010-10-14 Thread Tux99
On Thu, 14 Oct 2010, Romain d'Alverny wrote: > Does anyone take notes to summarize and make a consistent proposal (be > it in some way or the other) of what should be done, as well as > defining some sort of personas for users (unaware, new, occasional, > frequent, expert) for evaluation? I was t

Re: [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?

2010-10-14 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-14 09:53, Tux99 a écrit : Just to add to my last post: It would be useful if users could disable specifc packages from being updated via the update GUI. What I mean is basically when new updates get presented (which would include new backports) the user could untick specific packages

Re: [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?

2010-10-14 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-14 10:29, Romain d'Alverny a écrit : Does anyone take notes to summarize and make a consistent proposal (be it in some way or the other) of what should be done, as well as defining some sort of personas for users (unaware, new, occasional, frequent, expert) for evaluation? Romain T

Re: [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?

2010-10-14 Thread Sinner from the Prairy
Tux99 wrote: > Quote: Ahmad Samir wrote on Thu, 14 October 2010 16:00 >> Enabling them by default defies the purpose of having backports at >> all; it's not for new users, it's more for slightly experienced users >> or power users who want the latest versions of apps. > That's exactly the crucia

Re: [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?

2010-10-14 Thread nicolas vigier
On Thu, 14 Oct 2010, Tux99 wrote: > > I think they should be enabled by default, since it's my impression that > the majority of 'normal' users wants new versions of apps, those users who > DON'T want them can still always disable them. If backports repository is enabled by default, it should be

Re: [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?

2010-10-14 Thread Sinner from the Prairy
Tux99 wrote: > I guess the old rule of polls applies: > depending on how you formulate the poll question and the description of > the options you can hugely influence the results... This is so true. I follow the politics blog FiveThirtyEight (warning! statistics nerd alert activated!) and again

Re: [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?

2010-10-14 Thread Tux99
On Thu, 14 Oct 2010, nicolas vigier wrote: > On Thu, 14 Oct 2010, Tux99 wrote: > > > I think they should be enabled by default, since it's my impression that > > the majority of 'normal' users wants new versions of apps, those users who > > DON'T want them can still always disable them. > > If ba

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc

2010-10-14 Thread Anssi Hannula
On Wednesday 13 October 2010 14:29:14 Marc Paré wrote: > Le 2010-10-13 14:23, Michael Scherer a écrit : > > Le mercredi 13 octobre 2010 à 20:06 +0200, Olivier Méjean a écrit : > >> Le mercredi 13 octobre 2010 19:31:44, Michael Scherer a écrit : > >>> Le mardi 12 octobre 2010 à 17:53 +0200, Olivier

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc

2010-10-14 Thread Anssi Hannula
On Wednesday 13 October 2010 20:54:45 Dimitrios Glentadakis wrote: > About codecs Codeina will be available in Mageia ? I find it very > comfortable for new and advanced users. Yes. It is available on Mandriva and I don't see any reason to drop it from Mageia. -- Anssi Hannula

Re: [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?

2010-10-14 Thread nicolas vigier
On Thu, 14 Oct 2010, Tux99 wrote: > On Thu, 14 Oct 2010, nicolas vigier wrote: > > > On Thu, 14 Oct 2010, Tux99 wrote: > > > > > I think they should be enabled by default, since it's my impression that > > > the majority of 'normal' users wants new versions of apps, those users who > > > DON'T wa

Re: [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?

2010-10-14 Thread Tux99
On Thu, 14 Oct 2010, nicolas vigier wrote: > Experience tells me that backports break much more than regular > security/bugfix updates. Do you have any examples? I have been using backports on all my PCs and enabled them on all PCs of friends whom I installed Mandriva and so far I have yet to s

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc

2010-10-14 Thread Ahmad Samir
On 14 October 2010 17:04, Anssi Hannula wrote: > On Wednesday 13 October 2010 20:54:45 Dimitrios Glentadakis wrote: >> About codecs Codeina will be available in Mageia ? I find it very >> comfortable for new and advanced users. > > Yes. It is available on Mandriva and I don't see any reason to

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc

2010-10-14 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-14 11:02, Anssi Hannula a écrit : On Wednesday 13 October 2010 14:29:14 Marc Paré wrote: Le 2010-10-13 14:23, Michael Scherer a écrit : Le mercredi 13 octobre 2010 à 20:06 +0200, Olivier Méjean a écrit : Le mercredi 13 octobre 2010 19:31:44, Michael Scherer a écrit : Le mardi 12 oc

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc

2010-10-14 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-14 12:08, Ahmad Samir a écrit : On 14 October 2010 17:04, Anssi Hannula wrote: On Wednesday 13 October 2010 20:54:45 Dimitrios Glentadakis wrote: About codecs Codeina will be available in Mageia ? I find it very comfortable for new and advanced users. Yes. It is available on M

Re: [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?

2010-10-14 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-14 10:56, Sinner from the Prairy a écrit : Tux99 wrote: I guess the old rule of polls applies: depending on how you formulate the poll question and the description of the options you can hugely influence the results... This is so true. I follow the politics blog FiveThirtyEight (w

Re: [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?

2010-10-14 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-14 10:50, nicolas vigier a écrit : On Thu, 14 Oct 2010, Tux99 wrote: I think they should be enabled by default, since it's my impression that the majority of 'normal' users wants new versions of apps, those users who DON'T want them can still always disable them. If backports repo

Re: [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?

2010-10-14 Thread Romain d'Alverny
On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 18:32, Marc Paré wrote: > Is there a dedicated mailist for the leaders of the different communities? > It would probably make sense to have a closed list for them to coordinate > projects such as polls, marketing, sharing of resource materials agreemtns > etc. Just a place

Re: [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?

2010-10-14 Thread Maurice Batey
On Thu, 14 Oct 2010 17:33:31 +0200, Tux99 wrote: > I have been using backports on all my PCs and enabled them on all PCs of > friends whom I installed Mandriva and so far I have yet to see a single > breakage caused by backports. Having never had Backports enabled, I was encouraged by posting

Re: [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?

2010-10-14 Thread Tux99
On Thu, 14 Oct 2010, Maurice Batey wrote: > However, I then found that the new version of VLC had problems with > DVD menus, and the new CUPS introduced problems (not just in my > installation but at least one other Mandriva user). I would put this down to the fact that currently in Mandriva back

Re: [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?

2010-10-14 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-14 12:42, Romain d'Alverny a écrit : On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 18:32, Marc Paré wrote: Is there a dedicated mailist for the leaders of the different communities? It would probably make sense to have a closed list for them to coordinate projects such as polls, marketing, sharing of reso

Re: [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?

2010-10-14 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-14 13:05, Tux99 a écrit : On Thu, 14 Oct 2010, Maurice Batey wrote: However, I then found that the new version of VLC had problems with DVD menus, and the new CUPS introduced problems (not just in my installation but at least one other Mandriva user). I would put this down to the f

Re: [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?

2010-10-14 Thread Margot
On Thu, 14 Oct 2010 16:29:28 +0200 "Romain d'Alverny" wrote: > Does anyone take notes to summarize and make a consistent > proposal (be it in some way or the other) of what should be done, > as well as defining some sort of personas for users (unaware, > new, occasional, frequent, expert) for eva

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc

2010-10-14 Thread Anssi Hannula
On Wednesday 13 October 2010 20:22:01 Michael Scherer wrote: > Le mardi 12 octobre 2010 à 18:02 +0300, Anssi Hannula a écrit : > > Hi all! > > > > Do people have any thoughts on what kind of repository/media sectioning > > we should use on Mageia, and what should those sections contain? > > > > N

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc

2010-10-14 Thread Marc Paré
Questions about patents is related to which law applies to Mageia. No answers to which law then no clear policy can be applied. For me, since Mageia.org will lead the project (and will own Mageia trademarks) is located in France, since build system of Mageia will be in France then French law i

Re: [Mageia-dev] Proposal: Updating released versions (long post)

2010-10-14 Thread Luca Berra
On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 09:44:39AM +0100, Buchan Milne wrote: On Saturday, 9 October 2010 10:10:36 Renaud MICHEL wrote: On samedi 09 octobre 2010 at 05:45, andré wrote : > Note that configuration files that have been changed from the > installation default are often already saved. (Generally ".

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc

2010-10-14 Thread Michael scherer
On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 09:57:03PM +0200, Olivier Méjean wrote: > Le jeudi 14 octobre 2010 20:55:01, Anssi Hannula a écrit : > > On Wednesday 13 October 2010 20:22:01 Michael Scherer wrote: > > > Le mardi 12 octobre 2010 à 18:02 +0300, Anssi Hannula a écrit : > > > > Hi all! > > > > > > > > Do peo

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc

2010-10-14 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2010/10/14 Marc Paré : > > So, it sounds to me, that a core group individual, should, as an official > representative of the Mageia project, approach these organisations and FSF > to check and to get advice/opinons. Just to make sure. Although I may not speak as an official Mageia rep I will prese

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc

2010-10-14 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-14 21:55, Wolfgang Bornath a écrit : 2010/10/14 Marc Paré: So, it sounds to me, that a core group individual, should, as an official representative of the Mageia project, approach these organisations and FSF to check and to get advice/opinons. Just to make sure. Although I may not

Re: [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?

2010-10-14 Thread Fernando Parra
Hi everybody. I feel that the concept of a new way, as it exist into my mind is not completely understood. Let me try to re-explain again. Please be patient and excuses any mistake with my English (I'm totally out of practice): I'm talking about to liberate to novice/novel/without experience us

Re: [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?

2010-10-14 Thread Ahmad Samir
On 15 October 2010 04:48, Fernando Parra wrote: > Hi everybody. > > I feel that the concept of a new way, as it exist into my mind is not > completely understood. Let me try to re-explain again. Please be patient and > excuses any mistake with my English (I'm totally out of practice): > > I'm ta