Re: [Mageia-dev] please stop doing bugs for updating magia 1

2012-01-12 Thread Buchan Milne
On Wednesday, 11 January 2012 20:22:23 Antoine Pitrou wrote: On Wed, 11 Jan 2012 12:43:35 -0500 Juan Luis Baptiste juan...@mageia.org wrote: Sure, you cannot be save of regressions, but what makes you think you are smarter than upstream? What makes you so sure that not the one commit

Re: [Mageia-dev] please stop doing bugs for updating magia 1

2012-01-12 Thread Buchan Milne
On Wednesday, 11 January 2012 22:05:53 Antoine Pitrou wrote: On Wed, 11 Jan 2012 14:41:54 -0500 Juan Luis Baptiste juan...@mageia.org wrote: As I said, when there's a bug report on mga, we start investigating the problem and go and look at upstream for a bug report there for *that*

[Mageia-dev] Over-zealous rpmlint policy (rejecting rt)

2012-01-12 Thread Buchan Milne
I am trying to get rt (3.8.11) into the distro (a package that I am using on a different distro in a production environment), to be followed up with the rt (4.0.4) I have queued (which I am testing in preparation for upgrading our production environment). I would really like to get this

Re: [Mageia-dev] please stop doing bugs for updating magia 1

2012-01-12 Thread Antoine Pitrou
On Thu, 12 Jan 2012 11:05:34 +0200 Buchan Milne bgmi...@zarb.org wrote: An approach that doens't include a bug filed with the distribution means the user doesn't really seem interested in receiving an update from the distribution. Do note there are bugs that may go unnoticed by the user

Re: [Mageia-dev] Over-zealous rpmlint policy (rejecting rt)

2012-01-12 Thread Colin Guthrie
'Twas brillig, and Buchan Milne at 12/01/12 09:12 did gyre and gimble: I don't see why we shouldn't ship dirs in /usr/local ... I don't really see the point in shipping the dirs personally. Any separate extension that is packaged should not go into /usr/local anyway, so these folders are purely

Re: [Mageia-dev] please stop doing bugs for updating magia 1

2012-01-12 Thread Guillaume Rousse
Le 12/01/2012 10:27, Antoine Pitrou a écrit : Each packager can decide if their upstream package is well-behaved or not. Of course, better be conservative and not package bugfix releases if you aren't totally confident. Still, some upstream teams *are* well-behaved. Some means actually a very

Re: [Mageia-dev] packaging help required

2012-01-12 Thread Andrew Myers
Yes, this sounds like something I may be able to help with. I'm currently in the list of ppl looking for mentors, but this sounds like I task I may have the skills to assist with.., Andrew On Monday, January 9, 2012, Guillaume Rousse guillomovi...@gmail.com wrote: Hello list. I've had a look

Re: [Mageia-dev] please stop doing bugs for updating magia 1

2012-01-12 Thread Buchan Milne
On Thursday, 12 January 2012 11:27:59 Antoine Pitrou wrote: On Thu, 12 Jan 2012 11:05:34 +0200 Buchan Milne bgmi...@zarb.org wrote: An approach that doens't include a bug filed with the distribution means the user doesn't really seem interested in receiving an update from the

Re: [Mageia-dev] Over-zealous rpmlint policy (rejecting rt)

2012-01-12 Thread Buchan Milne
On Thursday, 12 January 2012 11:55:07 Colin Guthrie wrote: 'Twas brillig, and Buchan Milne at 12/01/12 09:12 did gyre and gimble: I don't see why we shouldn't ship dirs in /usr/local ... I don't really see the point in shipping the dirs personally. Any separate extension that is packaged

Re: [Mageia-dev] Over-zealous rpmlint policy (rejecting rt)

2012-01-12 Thread Colin Guthrie
'Twas brillig, and Buchan Milne at 12/01/12 11:39 did gyre and gimble: On Thursday, 12 January 2012 11:55:07 Colin Guthrie wrote: 'Twas brillig, and Buchan Milne at 12/01/12 09:12 did gyre and gimble: I don't see why we shouldn't ship dirs in /usr/local ... I don't really see the point in

Re: [Mageia-dev] PHP + phpBB mod capabilities needed to fix bug 1956 - please help

2012-01-12 Thread Marja van Waes
On 11/01/12 21:13, nicolas vigier wrote: On Wed, 11 Jan 2012, Marja van Waes wrote: I can't talk for that minority, of course. However, I can talk for myself: In such circumstances it is very possible that I'd agree to do something to later find out I can't concentrate on the task no matter

Re: [Mageia-dev] please stop doing bugs for updating magia 1

2012-01-12 Thread andre999
Buchan Milne a écrit : On Wednesday, 11 January 2012 22:10:01 Juan Luis Baptiste wrote: On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 2:10 PM, Michael Schererm...@zarb.org wrote: Le mercredi 11 janvier 2012 à 11:24 -0500, Juan Luis Baptiste a écrit : So trusting and having bugs are totally unrelated.

[Mageia-dev] Existing Cauldron VM users willing to test gnome-boxes?

2012-01-12 Thread Olav Vitters
Anyone making use of qemu + kvm for VMs on Cauldron? Could you please install gnome-boxes, start it from the command line and tell me if it works when you select some .iso file + create + start a VM? Please test on x86_64 (as host). Note: It is not working for me, but I have solved all known

Re: [Mageia-dev] PHP + phpBB mod capabilities needed to fix bug 1956 - please help

2012-01-12 Thread nicolas vigier
On Thu, 12 Jan 2012, Marja van Waes wrote: It is evident from what maât wrote, that he is convinced the edit time should stay very limited. Why do we ignore the universal declaration of human rights and try to force him to do something that is against his conscience? Because it's

Re: [Mageia-dev] packaging help required

2012-01-12 Thread D.Morgan
On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 10:27 AM, Guillaume Rousse guillomovi...@gmail.com wrote: Hello list. I've had a look at jenkins, which is an interesting continuous integration build bot. But it's yet another piece^H^H^Henterprise-grade java application, and the currently available packages

Re: [Mageia-dev] Re : Re : Re : E17 packaging

2012-01-12 Thread Matthew Dawkins
On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 3:40 PM, Michael Scherer m...@zarb.org wrote: Le lundi 31 octobre 2011 à 16:56 +, Philippe Reynes a écrit : So, yes, there isn't any way to manage bug/security issue in a very easy way when upstream team don't provide stable tarball. So, what is the mageia

Re: [Mageia-dev] please stop doing bugs for updating magia 1

2012-01-12 Thread Johnny A. Solbu
On Thursday 12 January 2012 10:05, Buchan Milne wrote: many users don't report upstream bugs to the distro's tracker.” Why not? Why should they? As far as the average Joe is concerned they should only have to file a bug one place. This is how many of them think. And I agree with them.

Re: [Mageia-dev] PHP + phpBB mod capabilities needed to fix bug 1956 - please help

2012-01-12 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2012/1/12 Marja van Waes marj...@xs4all.nl: Moreover, in article 18 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights it says: Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Declaration_of_Human_Rights#Article_18 Yes, so why do

Re: [Mageia-dev] please stop doing bugs for updating magia 1

2012-01-12 Thread Buchan Milne
On Thursday, 12 January 2012 16:45:39 Johnny A. Solbu wrote: On Thursday 12 January 2012 10:05, Buchan Milne wrote: many users don't report upstream bugs to the distro's tracker.” Why not? Why should they? As far as the average Joe is concerned they should only have to file a bug one

Re: [Mageia-dev] PHP + phpBB mod capabilities needed to fix bug 1956 - please help

2012-01-12 Thread Marja van Waes
On 12/01/12 15:48, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: 2012/1/12 Marja van Waesmarj...@xs4all.nl: Moreover, in article 18 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights it says: Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion...

Re: [Mageia-dev] PHP + phpBB mod capabilities needed to fix bug 1956 - please help

2012-01-12 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2012/1/12 Marja van Waes marj...@xs4all.nl: On 12/01/12 15:48, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: 2012/1/12 Marja van Waesmarj...@xs4all.nl: Moreover, in article 18 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights it says: Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion...

Re: [Mageia-dev] please stop doing bugs for updating magia 1

2012-01-12 Thread Christian Lohmaier
Hi Juan Luis, On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 10:09 PM, Juan Luis Baptiste juan...@mageia.org wrote: [..] As I said, no one is talking about picking up a fix if there's a bug fix only release, it's for when it isn't and we need to reduce the chance of regressions by taking the modifications that

Re: [Mageia-dev] please stop doing bugs for updating magia 1

2012-01-12 Thread Johnny A. Solbu
On Thursday 12 January 2012 19:01, Christian Lohmaier wrote: Updating from 1.3.2 to 1.3.3 would not be in compliance with the policy (if not in one of the three exception cases) - this is what I have called stupid policy (and still do). Hear, hear! -- Johnny A. Solbu PGP key ID: 0xFA687324

Re: [Mageia-dev] PHP + phpBB mod capabilities needed to fix bug 1956 - please help

2012-01-12 Thread Marja van Waes
On 12/01/12 17:47, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: 2012/1/12 Marja van Waesmarj...@xs4all.nl: On 12/01/12 15:48, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: 2012/1/12 Marja van Waesmarj...@xs4all.nl: Moreover, in article 18 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights it says: Everyone has the right to freedom of

Re: [Mageia-dev] please stop doing bugs for updating magia 1

2012-01-12 Thread Juan Luis Baptiste
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 1:01 PM, Christian Lohmaier lohmaier+mag...@googlemail.com wrote: On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 10:09 PM, Juan Luis Baptiste juan...@mageia.org wrote: [..] As I said, no one is talking about picking up a fix if there's a bug fix only release, it's for when it isn't and we

Re: [Mageia-dev] please stop doing bugs for updating magia 1

2012-01-12 Thread Christian Lohmaier
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 8:04 PM, Juan Luis Baptiste juan...@mageia.org wrote: On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 1:01 PM, Christian Lohmaier lohmaier+mag...@googlemail.com wrote: On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 10:09 PM, Juan Luis Baptiste juan...@mageia.org wrote: [..] As I said, no one is talking about

Re: [Mageia-dev] Over-zealous rpmlint policy (rejecting rt)

2012-01-12 Thread Michael Scherer
Le jeudi 12 janvier 2012 à 11:12 +0200, Buchan Milne a écrit : I am trying to get rt (3.8.11) into the distro (a package that I am using on a different distro in a production environment), to be followed up with the rt (4.0.4) I have queued (which I am testing in preparation for upgrading

Re: [Mageia-dev] please stop doing bugs for updating magia 1

2012-01-12 Thread Florian Hubold
Am 12.01.2012 19:01, schrieb Christian Lohmaier: Hi Juan Luis, On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 10:09 PM, Juan Luis Baptiste juan...@mageia.org wrote: [..] As I said, no one is talking about picking up a fix if there's a bug fix only release, it's for when it isn't and we need to reduce the chance

Re: [Mageia-dev] Display manager

2012-01-12 Thread Colin Guthrie
'Twas brillig, and Paiiou at 10/01/12 19:22 did gyre and gimble: The Provides most of the display manager shows dm. This is not the case of xdm and lxdm. Should we not add? Probably, yes. Col -- Colin Guthrie colin(at)mageia.org http://colin.guthr.ie/ Day Job: Tribalogic Limited

Re: [Mageia-dev] please stop doing bugs for updating magia 1

2012-01-12 Thread Juan Luis Baptiste
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 2:10 PM, Christian Lohmaier lohmaier+mag...@googlemail.com wrote: No, I'm doing exactly as the policy says, patch current stable version. But then you're *not* doing as the policy says, as policy says: same version of the package *released with the distribution* So

Re: [Mageia-dev] please stop doing bugs for updating magia 1

2012-01-12 Thread Christian Lohmaier
Hi Juan Luis, On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 8:53 PM, Juan Luis Baptiste juan...@mageia.org wrote: On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 2:10 PM, Christian Lohmaier lohmaier+mag...@googlemail.com wrote: No, I'm doing exactly as the policy says, patch current stable version. But then you're *not* doing as the

[Mageia-dev] Mageia 2 Alpha 3 available for tests

2012-01-12 Thread Anne nicolas
Hi all Mageia 2 Alpha 3 is now available for tests: http://blog.mageia.org/en/2012/01/12/here-comes-mageia-2-alpha3/ Please note that only DVDs isos are available for now. Live CDs will be uploaded next week, due to some issues with dracut migration. Thanks for all the hard work and enjoy it!

Re: [Mageia-dev] please stop doing bugs for updating magia 1

2012-01-12 Thread Juan Luis Baptiste
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 3:02 PM, Christian Lohmaier lohmaier+mag...@googlemail.com wrote: You should learn to use unambiguous words then. Where I get that from is in this quote: No, I'm doing exactly as the policy says, patch current stable version. Ahh ok, I meant current stable version in

Re: [Mageia-dev] please stop doing bugs for updating magia 1

2012-01-12 Thread Christian Lohmaier
Hi Florian, On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 8:42 PM, Florian Hubold doktor5...@arcor.de wrote: Am 12.01.2012 19:01, schrieb Christian Lohmaier: [..] PS: Maybe next time you could improve on your wording, the policy may currently be incorrect, not reflecting good packaging practices, but as it's only

Re: [Mageia-dev] please stop doing bugs for updating magia 1

2012-01-12 Thread Romain d'Alverny
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 21:25, Christian Lohmaier lohmaier+mag...@googlemail.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 8:42 PM, Florian Hubold doktor5...@arcor.de wrote: Am 12.01.2012 19:01, schrieb Christian Lohmaier: [..] PS: Maybe next time you could improve on your wording, the policy may

Re: [Mageia-dev] Hear, hear usage

2012-01-12 Thread Johnny A. Solbu
On Thursday 12 January 2012 21:25, Christian Lohmaier wrote: what point is Johnny trying to make with his hear, hear for example? As far as I understand, that is a common British thing to do when one agree with the current speaker. (Watch news reports involving the British government's debates,

Re: [Mageia-dev] Hear, hear usage

2012-01-12 Thread Frank Griffin
On 01/12/2012 04:17 PM, Johnny A. Solbu wrote: On Thursday 12 January 2012 21:25, Christian Lohmaier wrote: what point is Johnny trying to make with his hear, hear for example? As far as I understand, that is a common British thing to do when one agree with the current speaker. (Watch news

Re: [Mageia-dev] Hear, hear usage

2012-01-12 Thread Florian Hubold
Am 12.01.2012 22:28, schrieb Frank Griffin: On 01/12/2012 04:17 PM, Johnny A. Solbu wrote: On Thursday 12 January 2012 21:25, Christian Lohmaier wrote: what point is Johnny trying to make with his hear, hear for example? As far as I understand, that is a common British thing to do when one

Re: [Mageia-dev] packaging help required

2012-01-12 Thread Guillaume Rousse
Le 12/01/2012 14:14, D.Morgan a écrit : can you make a src.rpm available somewhere for us to look ? ( we should be able to help with gil on the java packaging related issues ) You can fetch spec and source files here: https://github.com/jenkinsci/jenkins/tree/master/rpm -- BOFH excuse #258:

Re: [Mageia-dev] please stop doing bugs for updating magia 1

2012-01-12 Thread Juan Luis Baptiste
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 3:25 PM, Christian Lohmaier lohmaier+mag...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi Florian, On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 8:42 PM, Florian Hubold doktor5...@arcor.de wrote: Am 12.01.2012 19:01, schrieb Christian Lohmaier: [..] PS: Maybe next time you could improve on your wording, the

Re: [Mageia-dev] please stop doing bugs for updating magia 1

2012-01-12 Thread Christian Lohmaier
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 11:35 PM, Juan Luis Baptiste juan...@mageia.org wrote: On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 3:25 PM, Christian Lohmaier lohmaier+mag...@googlemail.com wrote: [...] You could have made your point by saying that *you* don't like that t-shirt because of x and y motives and if he had

Re: [Mageia-dev] Existing Cauldron VM users willing to test gnome-boxes?

2012-01-12 Thread Scott Chevalley
On 01/12/2012 07:53 AM, Olav Vitters wrote: Anyone making use of qemu + kvm for VMs on Cauldron? Could you please install gnome-boxes, start it from the command line and tell me if it works when you select some .iso file + create + start a VM? Please test on x86_64 (as host). Note: It is

[Mageia-dev] FireFox ESR = we should totally go for this wrt stable releases

2012-01-12 Thread Maarten Vanraes
see https://blog.mozilla.com/blog/2012/01/10/delivering-a-mozilla-firefox- extended-support-release/ see https://wiki.mozilla.org/images/9/9d/Esr-release-overview.png ESR is a 1y extended supported release... looking at the image we'd be having supported versions for our 9month release schedule

Re: [Mageia-dev] FireFox ESR = we should totally go for this wrt stable releases

2012-01-12 Thread D.Morgan
On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 2:20 AM, Maarten Vanraes al...@rmail.be wrote: see https://blog.mozilla.com/blog/2012/01/10/delivering-a-mozilla-firefox- extended-support-release/ see https://wiki.mozilla.org/images/9/9d/Esr-release-overview.png ESR is a 1y extended supported release... looking at

Re: [Mageia-dev] FireFox ESR = we should totally go for this wrt stable releases

2012-01-12 Thread Sander Lepik
13.01.2012 03:20, Maarten Vanraes kirjutas: see https://blog.mozilla.com/blog/2012/01/10/delivering-a-mozilla-firefox- extended-support-release/ see https://wiki.mozilla.org/images/9/9d/Esr-release-overview.png ESR is a 1y extended supported release... looking at the image we'd be having