'Twas brillig, and P. Christeas at 20/12/11 07:56 did gyre and gimble:
> On Saturday 17 December 2011, Colin Guthrie wrote:
>> Back in the day, text logins were the norm, graphical logins came later.
>> Text logins got ttys 1-7... These days they are pretty much useless for
>> 99.5% of the use case
On 12/28/2011 10:31 AM, Frank Griffin wrote:
Col,
Could you have a look at https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2600
? It appears that starting X on tty1 may be causing problems on
single-core machines, as something is starting mingetty on tty1
repeatedly.
Also, I'm not sure what the d
On 12/20/2011 02:56 AM, P. Christeas wrote:
On Saturday 17 December 2011, Colin Guthrie wrote:
Back in the day, text logins were the norm, graphical logins came later.
Text logins got ttys 1-7... These days they are pretty much useless for
99.5% of the use cases ...
I'd like to question that.
On Saturday 17 December 2011, Colin Guthrie wrote:
> Back in the day, text logins were the norm, graphical logins came later.
> Text logins got ttys 1-7... These days they are pretty much useless for
> 99.5% of the use cases ...
I'd like to question that.
You see, machines still have 'init 3' (or
Op zondag 18 december 2011 13:03:56 schreef Colin Guthrie:
[...]
> > new X sessions are started from the old session, so i vote that
> > CTRL+ALT+FX spawns a text-based login.
>
> They can be, but I'd vote that this should change. e.g. if you have a
> setup where you "typically" have two users log
Am 18.12.2011 16:43, schrieb Johnny A. Solbu:
> On Sunday 18 December 2011 13:26, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
>
>> What happens if a user wants to boot into run level 3? He will get a
>> text prompt because neither x nor any DM has started yet - where does
>> he land, on VT7?
> And don't forget, some u
18.12.2011 22:53, Frank Griffin kirjutas:
Wouldn't the obvious solution be to make the tty assignments easily configurable by the
user ? Then pick an agreed default, and let anyone with different requirements modify it.
Nop, that's not a good idea. You give people the option to configure and the
On 12/18/2011 02:07 PM, Johnny A. Solbu wrote:
On Sunday 18 December 2011 17:54, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
Provided that
- the wanted system start to run level 3 goes to a text login in tty7
(as the first text console)
- marking "Go to text console" in the DM login takes you to tty7
- a x server f
On Sunday 18 December 2011 17:54, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
> Provided that
> - the wanted system start to run level 3 goes to a text login in tty7
> (as the first text console)
> - marking "Go to text console" in the DM login takes you to tty7
> - a x server failure at system start brings you to
2011/12/18 Johnny A. Solbu :
> On Sunday 18 December 2011 17:23, Sander Lepik wrote:
>> F1-F6 for graphical login, F7-F11 for console.
>
> I can live with that. ;-)=
Me too :)
Provided that
- the wanted system start to run level 3 goes to a text login in tty7
(as the first text console)
- markin
On Sunday 18 December 2011 17:23, Sander Lepik wrote:
> F1-F6 for graphical login, F7-F11 for console.
I can live with that. ;-)=
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18.12.2011 17:43, Johnny A. Solbu kirjutas:
Whatever you do, Do Not completely remove the abillity to have a few simultanious text
logins alongside a graphical login. The users who depend upon using a text login alongside
the graphical environment are more than one should think.
F1-F6 for graph
On Sunday 18 December 2011 13:26, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
> What happens if a user wants to boot into run level 3? He will get a
> text prompt because neither x nor any DM has started yet - where does
> he land, on VT7?
And don't forget, some users Only use text logins, and don't even have any
g
2011/12/18 Colin Guthrie :
> 'Twas brillig, and Maarten Vanraes at 18/12/11 11:46 did gyre and gimble:
>> Op zondag 18 december 2011 11:54:17 schreef Colin Guthrie:
>>> 'Twas brillig, and Anssi Hannula at 18/12/11 10:32 did gyre and gimble:
For the record, attached are three alternative [1] un
'Twas brillig, and Maarten Vanraes at 18/12/11 11:46 did gyre and gimble:
> Op zondag 18 december 2011 11:54:17 schreef Colin Guthrie:
>> 'Twas brillig, and Anssi Hannula at 18/12/11 10:32 did gyre and gimble:
>>> For the record, attached are three alternative [1] untested
>>> proof-of-concept patc
Op zondag 18 december 2011 11:54:17 schreef Colin Guthrie:
> 'Twas brillig, and Anssi Hannula at 18/12/11 10:32 did gyre and gimble:
> > For the record, attached are three alternative [1] untested
> > proof-of-concept patches that make kernel start on vt7.
>
> Personally I'm not a fan of sticking
'Twas brillig, and Anssi Hannula at 18/12/11 10:32 did gyre and gimble:
> For the record, attached are three alternative [1] untested
> proof-of-concept patches that make kernel start on vt7.
Personally I'm not a fan of sticking to vt7. As I said in an earlier
thread, if the primary use case of th
On 17.12.2011 17:27, Anssi Hannula wrote:
> On 16.12.2011 20:16, Colin Guthrie wrote:
>> Hi
>>
>> Just in case you didn't notice, X11 now starts on tty1 by default.
>>
>> So if you want a text login shell, make sure you go to tty2!
>>
>> I've not actually updated it for sysvinit now I think about i
Anssi Hannula wrote:
> On 16.12.2011 20:16, Colin Guthrie wrote:
>> Hi
>>
>> Just in case you didn't notice, X11 now starts on tty1 by default.
>>
>> So if you want a text login shell, make sure you go to tty2!
>>
>> I've not actually updated it for sysvinit now I think about it, so I'll
>> have
Op zaterdag 17 december 2011 18:09:48 schreef Wolfgang Bornath:
> 2011/12/17 Thierry Vignaud :
[...]
> > you're kidding...
>
> If you read some other comments here you think they are kidding, too?
> As a special service I will tell you next time when I'm kidding.
if ever :-)
Op zaterdag 17 december 2011 14:10:37 schreef Wolfgang Bornath:
> 2011/12/17 Maarten Vanraes :
> > if we get such a dynamic scheme, that would be nice. but that will likely
> > only work on systemd... what about sysvinit? it was still supposed to be
> > the default for mga2 ...
> >
> > but we can
'Twas brillig, and Kamil Rytarowski at 17/12/11 20:30 did gyre and gimble:
> W dniu 17.12.2011 21:24, Colin Guthrie pisze:
>> 'Twas brillig, and Wolfgang Bornath at 17/12/11 10:58 did gyre and
>> gimble:
>>> About the question how hard it is to press another key: not hard. But
>>> the Ctrl-Alt-F1 h
W dniu 17.12.2011 21:24, Colin Guthrie pisze:
'Twas brillig, and Wolfgang Bornath at 17/12/11 10:58 did gyre and gimble:
About the question how hard it is to press another key: not hard. But
the Ctrl-Alt-F1 has been a standard in ALL distributions and ALL
documentations.
[..]
That's my take on
'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 17/12/11 20:24 did gyre and gimble:
> 'Twas brillig, and Wolfgang Bornath at 17/12/11 10:58 did gyre and gimble:
>> About the question how hard it is to press another key: not hard. But
>> the Ctrl-Alt-F1 has been a standard in ALL distributions and ALL
>> docume
'Twas brillig, and Wolfgang Bornath at 17/12/11 10:58 did gyre and gimble:
> About the question how hard it is to press another key: not hard. But
> the Ctrl-Alt-F1 has been a standard in ALL distributions and ALL
> documentations.
Back in the day, text logins were the norm, graphical logins came
17.12.2011 19:14, Johnny A. Solbu kirjutas:
Another friend of mine which is not in any of these lists, and is blind, was surprised to
hear about this change, and was wondering whether this was a Mageia specifi change. I said
I believe it was.
Well, it's not.
--
Sander
On Saturday 17 December 2011 17:46, Thierry Vignaud wrote:
> On 17 December 2011 11:26, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
> > So, my question is whether a second's flickering during startup really
> > justifies such a strong change?
I was thinking the same thing, but hold it to myself.
Another friend of mi
2011/12/17 Thierry Vignaud :
> On 17 December 2011 11:26, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
>
>> May be yes, may be no. I'm thinking about those computer adepts who
>> have spent 10-15 years with the Ctrl-Alt-F1 combo, is it so easy to
>> change a grown habit which is like the "Red = Stop!" paradigma? I'm
>
On 17 December 2011 11:26, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
> May be yes, may be no. I'm thinking about those computer adepts who
> have spent 10-15 years with the Ctrl-Alt-F1 combo, is it so easy to
> change a grown habit which is like the "Red = Stop!" paradigma? I'm
> thinking also about all those who
On Saturday, December 17, 2011 03:54:33 AM P. Christeas wrote:
> On Saturday 17 December 2011, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
> > That's one matter, the other one will be teaching all users who were
> > used to the current scheme,
>
> ++
>
> Don't underestimate the power of habits, versus the 'flicker'
On 16.12.2011 20:16, Colin Guthrie wrote:
> Hi
>
> Just in case you didn't notice, X11 now starts on tty1 by default.
>
> So if you want a text login shell, make sure you go to tty2!
>
> I've not actually updated it for sysvinit now I think about it, so I'll
> have to update the default inittab,
2011/12/17 Maarten Vanraes :
>
> if we get such a dynamic scheme, that would be nice. but that will likely only
> work on systemd... what about sysvinit? it was still supposed to be the
> default for mga2 ...
>
> but we can test, and work on that... if it doesn't work with sysvinit
> properly, i st
Op zaterdag 17 december 2011 11:58:31 schreef Wolfgang Bornath:
> 2011/12/17 Florian Hubold :
> > Am 17.12.2011 11:26, schrieb Wolfgang Bornath:
> >> 2011/12/17 Sander Lepik :
> >>> 17.12.2011 12:10, Wolfgang Bornath kirjutas:
> I really beg to think the whole matter over again, at least until
On Saturday 17 December 2011, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
> That's one matter, the other one will be teaching all users who were
> used to the current scheme,
++
Don't underestimate the power of habits, versus the 'flicker' inconvenience.
It is a long habit, it is written in all How-To's, many also
2011/12/17 Florian Hubold :
> Am 17.12.2011 11:26, schrieb Wolfgang Bornath:
>> 2011/12/17 Sander Lepik :
>>> 17.12.2011 12:10, Wolfgang Bornath kirjutas:
I really beg to think the whole matter over again, at least until it is
mature enough to be implemented in cauldron for practical test
Am 17.12.2011 11:26, schrieb Wolfgang Bornath:
> 2011/12/17 Sander Lepik :
>> 17.12.2011 12:10, Wolfgang Bornath kirjutas:
>>> I really beg to think the whole matter over again, at least until it is
>>> mature enough to be implemented in cauldron for practical test.
>> People will get used to it ra
2011/12/17 Sander Lepik :
> 17.12.2011 12:10, Wolfgang Bornath kirjutas:
>>
>> I really beg to think the whole matter over again, at least until it is
>> mature enough to be implemented in cauldron for practical test.
>
> People will get used to it rather fast.
May be yes, may be no. I'm thinking
17.12.2011 12:10, Wolfgang Bornath kirjutas:
I really beg to think the whole matter over again, at least until it is mature enough to
be implemented in cauldron for practical test.
People will get used to it rather fast.
--
Sander
2011/12/17 Maarten Vanraes :
> Op zaterdag 17 december 2011 10:52:52 schreef Florian Hubold:
>> Am 17.12.2011 02:26, schrieb Maarten Vanraes:
>> > Op zaterdag 17 december 2011 02:03:55 schreef Colin Guthrie:
>> >> 'Twas brillig, and Maarten Vanraes at 17/12/11 00:50 did gyre and gimble:
>> >>> how
Op zaterdag 17 december 2011 10:52:52 schreef Florian Hubold:
> Am 17.12.2011 02:26, schrieb Maarten Vanraes:
> > Op zaterdag 17 december 2011 02:03:55 schreef Colin Guthrie:
> >> 'Twas brillig, and Maarten Vanraes at 17/12/11 00:50 did gyre and gimble:
> >>> how does this relate to multiple sessio
Am 17.12.2011 02:26, schrieb Maarten Vanraes:
> Op zaterdag 17 december 2011 02:03:55 schreef Colin Guthrie:
>> 'Twas brillig, and Maarten Vanraes at 17/12/11 00:50 did gyre and gimble:
>>> how does this relate to multiple sessions? if it starts at tty1 and next
>>> session starts at tty2 and so fo
Op zaterdag 17 december 2011 02:03:55 schreef Colin Guthrie:
> 'Twas brillig, and Maarten Vanraes at 17/12/11 00:50 did gyre and gimble:
> > how does this relate to multiple sessions? if it starts at tty1 and next
> > session starts at tty2 and so forth, were are the textbased tty's then?
>
> 2nd
'Twas brillig, and Maarten Vanraes at 17/12/11 00:50 did gyre and gimble:
> how does this relate to multiple sessions? if it starts at tty1 and next
> session starts at tty2 and so forth, were are the textbased tty's then?
2nd session starts on tty7 (i.e. the next available tty). Not exactly
supe
Op vrijdag 16 december 2011 23:22:23 schreef Colin Guthrie:
> 'Twas brillig, and Sander Lepik at 16/12/11 21:40 did gyre and gimble:
> > 16.12.2011 23:14, Johnny A. Solbu kirjutas:
> >> On Friday 16 December 2011 19:16, Colin Guthrie wrote:
> >>> Just in case you didn't notice, X11 now starts on tt
'Twas brillig, and Sander Lepik at 16/12/11 21:40 did gyre and gimble:
> 16.12.2011 23:14, Johnny A. Solbu kirjutas:
>> On Friday 16 December 2011 19:16, Colin Guthrie wrote:
>>> Just in case you didn't notice, X11 now starts on tty1 by default.
>> Why this change?
>>
> Less flickering at boot AFAI
16.12.2011 23:14, Johnny A. Solbu kirjutas:
On Friday 16 December 2011 19:16, Colin Guthrie wrote:
Just in case you didn't notice, X11 now starts on tty1 by default.
Why this change?
Less flickering at boot AFAIK.
--
Sander
On Friday 16 December 2011 19:16, Colin Guthrie wrote:
> Just in case you didn't notice, X11 now starts on tty1 by default.
Why this change?
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Hi
Just in case you didn't notice, X11 now starts on tty1 by default.
So if you want a text login shell, make sure you go to tty2!
I've not actually updated it for sysvinit now I think about it, so I'll
have to update the default inittab, but the principle is the same. We
want X there, not a log
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