On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 10:28 AM, andre999 wrote:
> Christian Lohmaier a écrit :
>> On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 8:04 PM, Juan Luis Baptiste
>> wrote:
>>> On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 1:01 PM, Christian Lohmaier
>>> wrote:
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 10:09 PM, Juan Luis Baptiste
wrote:
>
Christian Lohmaier a écrit :
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 8:04 PM, Juan Luis Baptiste wrote:
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 1:01 PM, Christian Lohmaier
wrote:
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 10:09 PM, Juan Luis Baptiste wrote:
[..]
As I said, no one is talking about picking up a fix if there
On Thursday, 12 January 2012 22:25:51 Christian Lohmaier wrote:
> Hi Florian,
>
> On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 8:42 PM, Florian Hubold wrote:
> > Am 12.01.2012 19:01, schrieb Christian Lohmaier:
> >>> [..]
> >
> > PS: Maybe next time you could improve on your wording, the policy may
> > currently be
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 11:35 PM, Juan Luis Baptiste wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 3:25 PM, Christian Lohmaier
> wrote:
> [...] You could have made
> your point by saying that *you* don't like that t-shirt because of x
> and y motives and if he had chosen another one with Y characteristics
> w
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 3:25 PM, Christian Lohmaier
wrote:
> Hi Florian,
>
> On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 8:42 PM, Florian Hubold wrote:
>> Am 12.01.2012 19:01, schrieb Christian Lohmaier:
[..]
>> PS: Maybe next time you could improve on your wording, the policy may
>> currently be incorrect, not
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 21:25, Christian Lohmaier
wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 8:42 PM, Florian Hubold wrote:
>> Am 12.01.2012 19:01, schrieb Christian Lohmaier:
[..]
>> PS: Maybe next time you could improve on your wording, the policy may
>> currently be incorrect, not reflecting good p
Hi Florian,
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 8:42 PM, Florian Hubold wrote:
> Am 12.01.2012 19:01, schrieb Christian Lohmaier:
>>> [..]
> PS: Maybe next time you could improve on your wording, the policy may
> currently be incorrect, not reflecting good packaging practices, but as it's
> only a policy wri
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 3:02 PM, Christian Lohmaier
wrote:
>
> You should learn to use unambiguous words then. Where I get that from
> is in this quote:
> "No, I'm doing exactly as the policy says, patch current stable version."
>
Ahh ok, I meant "current stable version in Mageia", I thought that
Hi Juan Luis,
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 8:53 PM, Juan Luis Baptiste wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 2:10 PM, Christian Lohmaier
> wrote:
>>> No, I'm doing exactly as the policy says, patch current stable
>>> version.
>>
>> But then you're *not* doing as the policy says, as policy says:
>> "same v
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 2:10 PM, Christian Lohmaier
wrote:
>> No, I'm doing exactly as the policy says, patch current stable
>> version.
>
> But then you're *not* doing as the policy says, as policy says:
> "same version of the package *released with the distribution*"
> So whatever version that e
Am 12.01.2012 19:01, schrieb Christian Lohmaier:
> Hi Juan Luis,
>
> On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 10:09 PM, Juan Luis Baptiste
> wrote:
>> [..]
>> As I said, no one is talking about picking up a fix if there's a bug
>> fix only release, it's for when it isn't and we need to reduce the
>> chance of reg
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 8:04 PM, Juan Luis Baptiste wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 1:01 PM, Christian Lohmaier
> wrote:
>> On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 10:09 PM, Juan Luis Baptiste
>> wrote:
>>> [..]
>>> As I said, no one is talking about picking up a fix if there's a bug
>>> fix only release, it'
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 1:01 PM, Christian Lohmaier
wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 10:09 PM, Juan Luis Baptiste
> wrote:
>> [..]
>> As I said, no one is talking about picking up a fix if there's a bug
>> fix only release, it's for when it isn't and we need to reduce the
>> chance of regression
On Thursday 12 January 2012 19:01, Christian Lohmaier wrote:
> Updating from 1.3.2 to 1.3.3 would not be in compliance with
> the policy (if not in one of the three exception cases) - this is what
> I have called stupid policy (and still do).
Hear, hear!
--
Johnny A. Solbu
PGP key ID: 0xFA68732
Hi Juan Luis,
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 10:09 PM, Juan Luis Baptiste wrote:
> [..]
> As I said, no one is talking about picking up a fix if there's a bug
> fix only release, it's for when it isn't and we need to reduce the
> chance of regressions by taking the modifications that *exactly* fix
> tha
On Thursday, 12 January 2012 16:45:39 Johnny A. Solbu wrote:
> On Thursday 12 January 2012 10:05, Buchan Milne wrote:
> > many users don't report upstream
> > bugs to the distro's tracker.”
> >
> > Why not?
>
> Why should they? As far as the average Joe is concerned they should only
> have to fil
On Thursday 12 January 2012 10:05, Buchan Milne wrote:
> many users don't report upstream
> bugs to the distro's tracker.”
>
> Why not?
Why should they? As far as the average Joe is concerned they should only have
to file a bug one place.
This is how many of them think. And I agree with them.
>
Buchan Milne a écrit :
On Wednesday, 11 January 2012 22:10:01 Juan Luis Baptiste wrote:
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 2:10 PM, Michael Scherer wrote:
Le mercredi 11 janvier 2012 à 11:24 -0500, Juan Luis Baptiste a écrit :
So trusting and having bugs are totally unrelated. And if you doubt
On Thursday, 12 January 2012 11:27:59 Antoine Pitrou wrote:
> On Thu, 12 Jan 2012 11:05:34 +0200
>
> Buchan Milne wrote:
> > An approach that doens't include a bug filed with the distribution means
> > the user doesn't really seem interested in receiving an update from the
> > distribution.
>
>
Le 12/01/2012 10:27, Antoine Pitrou a écrit :
Each packager can decide if their upstream package is well-behaved or
not. Of course, better be conservative and not package bugfix releases
if you aren't totally confident. Still, some upstream teams *are*
well-behaved.
Some means actually a very few
On Thu, 12 Jan 2012 11:05:34 +0200
Buchan Milne wrote:
>
> An approach that doens't include a bug filed with the distribution means the
> user doesn't really seem interested in receiving an update from the
> distribution.
Do note there are bugs that may go unnoticed by the user even though
the
On Wednesday, 11 January 2012 22:05:53 Antoine Pitrou wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Jan 2012 14:41:54 -0500
> Juan Luis Baptiste
>
> wrote:
> > As I said, when there's a bug report on mga, we start investigating
> > the problem and go and look at upstream for a bug report there for
> > *that* particular bu
On Wednesday, 11 January 2012 22:10:01 Juan Luis Baptiste wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 2:10 PM, Michael Scherer wrote:
> > Le mercredi 11 janvier 2012 à 11:24 -0500, Juan Luis Baptiste a écrit :
> >
> > So trusting and having bugs are totally unrelated. And if you doubt that
> > bugs appear,
On Wednesday, 11 January 2012 21:56:44 zezinho wrote:
> Backports are here for releases with new features.
Where?
On Wednesday, 11 January 2012 20:22:23 Antoine Pitrou wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Jan 2012 12:43:35 -0500
> Juan Luis Baptiste
>
> wrote:
> > > Sure, you cannot be save of regressions, but what makes you think you
> > > are smarter than upstream? What makes you so sure that not the one
> > > commit you a
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 3:53 PM, Christian Lohmaier
wrote:
> adding patches to the packages and releasing them instead of waiting
> for a new upstream release is different from having the policy to
> stick with whatever release was used when releasing the distro and
> then only apply fixes via pat
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 3:44 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote:
> And my point is that these bugs are fixed automatically if you follow
> bugfix releases from upstream...
>
> Apparently you like to create work for yourself, though :)
>
No, it seems that you like to read what you like to read, On this
thre
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 8:32 PM, Michael Scherer wrote:
> Le mercredi 11 janvier 2012 à 17:48 +0100, Christian Lohmaier a écrit :
>> On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 4:51 PM, Guillaume Rousse
>> wrote:
>> > Le 11/01/2012 16:09, Antoine Pitrou a écrit :
>> >
>> >> As a Mageia user I would expect Mageia to
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 8:56 PM, zezinho wrote:
> Le mercredi 11 janvier 2012 19:22:23, Antoine Pitrou a écrit :
>> Just because someone doesn't file a bug against Mageia doesn't mean the
>> bug doesn't bother anybody, because many users don't report upstream
>> bugs to the distro's tracker.
>> (a
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 6:43 PM, Juan Luis Baptiste wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 11:48 AM, Christian Lohmaier
> wrote:
> [...]
> You don't do packaging, right ?
Wrong. I do packaging, although not for any distro.
> it isn't that hard and is how all distro's do it. Look at Fedora or
> SuSE's
On Wed, 11 Jan 2012 15:13:05 -0500
Juan Luis Baptiste
wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 3:05 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote:
> >
> > “Just because someone doesn't file a bug against Mageia doesn't mean the
> > bug doesn't bother anybody, because many users don't report upstream
> > bugs to the distro's
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 3:05 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote:
>
> “Just because someone doesn't file a bug against Mageia doesn't mean the
> bug doesn't bother anybody, because many users don't report upstream
> bugs to the distro's tracker.”
>
Simple, we won't fix bugs that aren't reported or noticed b
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 2:10 PM, Michael Scherer wrote:
> Le mercredi 11 janvier 2012 à 11:24 -0500, Juan Luis Baptiste a écrit :
>
> So trusting and having bugs are totally unrelated. And if you doubt that
> bugs appear, just see our bugzilla.
> We trust upstream ( most of them ), and yet there i
On Wed, 11 Jan 2012 14:41:54 -0500
Juan Luis Baptiste
wrote:
>
> As I said, when there's a bug report on mga, we start investigating
> the problem and go and look at upstream for a bug report there for
> *that* particular bug.
So let me repeat myself from two messages above (!):
“Just because s
Le mercredi 11 janvier 2012 19:22:23, Antoine Pitrou a écrit :
> Just because someone doesn't file a bug against Mageia doesn't mean the
> bug doesn't bother anybody, because many users don't report upstream
> bugs to the distro's tracker.
> (also, other users don't bother reporting bugs at all :-)
Le mercredi 11 janvier 2012 à 16:09 +0100, Antoine Pitrou a écrit :
> On Tue, 10 Jan 2012 20:28:15 -0600
> Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
> wrote:
> >
> > You dont get me,
> >
> > I mean, stop asking updates for mageia 1 just because there is another
> > newversion.
>
> Uh.
> As a Mageia user I woul
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 2:38 PM, Johnny A. Solbu wrote:
> On Wednesday 11 January 2012 19:33, Juan Luis Baptiste wrote:
> And how do one do that without monitoring most bugfixing activity or
> reviewing them, hunting for a particular fix?
>
> To some people, that magic trick is not obvious.
>
As
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 2:19 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Jan 2012 13:33:41 -0500
>> >
>>
>> No we don't need to, we just need to look for the fix we are
>> interested in as I described before.
>
> Uh, you have a hard time understanding a question don't you?
>
And you a hard time unders
On Wednesday 11 January 2012 19:33, Juan Luis Baptiste wrote:
> > Should the packager monitor all
> > bug fixing activity?
>
> No we don't need to, we just need to look for the fix we are
> interested in as I described before.
And how do one do that without monitoring most bugfixing activity or re
Le mercredi 11 janvier 2012 à 17:48 +0100, Christian Lohmaier a écrit :
> On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 4:51 PM, Guillaume Rousse
> wrote:
> > Le 11/01/2012 16:09, Antoine Pitrou a écrit :
> >
> >> As a Mageia user I would expect Mageia to package significant *bugfix
> >> releases* and ship them in the
On Wed, 11 Jan 2012 13:33:41 -0500
Juan Luis Baptiste
wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 1:22 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote:
> > On Wed, 11 Jan 2012 12:43:35 -0500
> > But how do you choose which patches you want to backport from the
> > stream of bugfixes done by upstream?
>
> Because normally a singl
Le mercredi 11 janvier 2012 à 11:24 -0500, Juan Luis Baptiste a écrit :
> On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 3:43 AM, Florian Hubold wrote:
> > Well, 2) and 3) are not valid reasons here, because backports should get
> > a similar amount of QA testing as normal update candidates, and for
> > the updates poli
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 1:22 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Jan 2012 12:43:35 -0500
> But how do you choose which patches you want to backport from the
> stream of bugfixes done by upstream?
Because normally a single commit fixes a single bug and the commit
message says it clearly, so it'
On Wed, 11 Jan 2012 12:43:35 -0500
Juan Luis Baptiste
wrote:
> > Sure, you cannot be save of regressions, but what makes you think you
> > are smarter than upstream? What makes you so sure that not the one
> > commit you add as a patch to your package is the one that causes the
> > regressions?
>
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 11:48 AM, Christian Lohmaier
wrote:
> Welcome to distro-isolation, putting burden on maintainers, giving
> them all the reason to deny a reasonable request for a bugfix release
> because it just is too much work to hunt for a specific commit that
> fixed bug x.
>
You don't
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 16:48, Christian Lohmaier
wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 4:51 PM, Guillaume Rousse
> wrote:
>> Le 11/01/2012 16:09, Antoine Pitrou a écrit :
>>
>>> As a Mageia user I would expect Mageia to package significant *bugfix
>>> releases* and ship them in the updates for the st
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 4:51 PM, Guillaume Rousse
wrote:
> Le 11/01/2012 16:09, Antoine Pitrou a écrit :
>
>> As a Mageia user I would expect Mageia to package significant *bugfix
>> releases* and ship them in the updates for the stable distro.
>
> You'd rather read the current update policy, rath
On Wed, 11 Jan 2012 16:51:55 +0100
Guillaume Rousse
wrote:
> Le 11/01/2012 16:09, Antoine Pitrou a écrit :
> > As a Mageia user I would expect Mageia to package significant *bugfix
> > releases* and ship them in the updates for the stable distro.
> You'd rather read the current update policy, rath
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 3:43 AM, Florian Hubold wrote:
> Well, 2) and 3) are not valid reasons here, because backports should get
> a similar amount of QA testing as normal update candidates, and for
> the updates policy require a bugreport for validation through QA.
I think this is unrealistic i
Le 11/01/2012 16:09, Antoine Pitrou a écrit :
As a Mageia user I would expect Mageia to package significant *bugfix
releases* and ship them in the updates for the stable distro.
You'd rather read the current update policy, rather than expect blind
assertions:
https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Updates_
On Tue, 10 Jan 2012 20:28:15 -0600
Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
wrote:
>
> You dont get me,
>
> I mean, stop asking updates for mageia 1 just because there is another
> newversion.
Uh.
As a Mageia user I would expect Mageia to package significant *bugfix
releases* and ship them in the updates for
Am 11.01.2012 08:57, schrieb Buchan Milne:
> On Wednesday, 11 January 2012 06:32:50 Johnny A. Solbu wrote:
>> On Wednesday 11 January 2012 03:28, Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz wrote:
>>> I mean, stop asking updates for mageia 1 just because there is another
>>> newversion.
>> May I suggest that next tim
On Wednesday, 11 January 2012 06:32:50 Johnny A. Solbu wrote:
> On Wednesday 11 January 2012 03:28, Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz wrote:
> > I mean, stop asking updates for mageia 1 just because there is another
> > newversion.
>
> May I suggest that next time, say it in so many words.
>
> Some of us
On Wednesday 11 January 2012 03:28, Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz wrote:
> I mean, stop asking updates for mageia 1 just because there is another
> newversion.
May I suggest that next time, say it in so many words.
Some of us are not good at reading between the lines, and your original post
was writ
Le mardi 10 janvier 2012 19:12:29 Christian Lohmaier a écrit :
> Hi Luis, *,
>
> On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 5:47 AM, Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
>
> wrote:
> > AS i understand
> > we are not a rolling distribution, so i dont get why i'm getting tickets
> > to
> > update release.
> >
> > What I mean, i
Le 10/01/2012 19:12, Christian Lohmaier a écrit :
And using a fixed upstream release surely is preferable over adding
patches manually, isn't it?
No. Adding bugfix-specific patches ensure you just fix specific issues,
whereas updating software version usually doesn't offer any kind of
garanty a
Hi Luis, *,
On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 5:47 AM, Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
wrote:
> AS i understand
> we are not a rolling distribution, so i dont get why i'm getting tickets to
> update release.
>
> What I mean, if you consider an update, like the one i did squid 3.1.12 to
> 3.1.15 please explain why.
AS i understand
we are not a rolling distribution, so i dont get why i'm getting tickets to
update release.
What I mean, if you consider an update, like the one i did squid 3.1.12 to
3.1.15 please explain why. Otherwhise i gues it is better you cand use Mageia
cauldron SRPM and do backport for
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