Johnny A. Solbu a écrit :
On Wednesday 02 November 2011 01:05, andre999 wrote:
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Since you have read the reference, you didn't notice that the option of
separate partitions is _not_ precluded ?
Some of the answers I got here suggested otherwize. if /usr needs to be mounted
in
'Twas brillig, and Johnny A. Solbu at 02/11/11 02:49 did gyre and gimble:
Since you have read the reference, you didn't notice that the
option of separate partitions is _not_ precluded ?
Some of the answers I got here suggested otherwize. if /usr needs to
be mounted in order for the system to
On Wed, 02 Nov 2011, Johnny A. Solbu wrote:
On Wednesday 02 November 2011 07:47, andre999 wrote:
Without a special reason to have a separate /usr,
I would say that it is better to avoid it.
The one issiue left then is how to solve the fact that many users do have a
separate /usr, when
On Wednesday 02 November 2011 17:41, nicolas vigier wrote:
Just in case it was not clear enough from previous messages in this thread
Hehe. That was a good one. :-)=
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On Tuesday 01 November 2011 06:56, David W. Hodgins wrote:
Merging /usr into / would require a large amount of work,
In my oppinion, that single change would be the most stupid change in an
operating system ever performed.
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On Monday 31 October 2011 18:17, Michael Scherer wrote:
So why merge / and /usr and kill a usable feature?
What is the usable feature ?
I can ask you the same thing: What is the usable feature of merging the two?
What benefit do I get as a result?
One reson to have a separate /usr is
Le mardi 01 novembre 2011 à 12:54 +0100, Johnny A. Solbu a écrit :
On Monday 31 October 2011 18:17, Michael Scherer wrote:
So why merge / and /usr and kill a usable feature?
What is the usable feature ?
I can ask you the same thing: What is the usable feature of merging the two?
What
Le mardi 01 novembre 2011 à 01:56 -0400, David W. Hodgins a écrit :
On Mon, 31 Oct 2011 13:17:15 -0400, Michael Scherer m...@zarb.org wrote:
What is the usable feature ?
To be able to put some kind of quota on /usr ?
To be able to use a different fs for / and /usr ?
I once ran into the
On Tuesday 01 November 2011 13:24, Michael Scherer wrote:
I suggest to re-read the other mails of the thread, especially the one
where I give this url :
http://www.spinics.net/lists/fedora-devel/msg158642.html
I have read the entire thread on the Fedora list, every message, including that
On Tue, 01 Nov 2011, Johnny A. Solbu wrote:
On Tuesday 01 November 2011 13:24, Michael Scherer wrote:
I suggest to re-read the other mails of the thread, especially the one
where I give this url :
http://www.spinics.net/lists/fedora-devel/msg158642.html
I have read the entire thread on
On Tuesday 01 November 2011 13:24, Michael Scherer wrote:
http://www.spinics.net/lists/fedora-devel/msg158642.html
I have one nitpick with point A on that list. :-)=
The developer does not have to consider wether or not to put something in bin
and not sbin. In my experience it's the other way
On Tue, Nov 01, 2011 at 06:25:38PM +0100, Johnny A. Solbu wrote:
I'm sorry if someone feel trampled upon, but when I see something
which I really do think is stupid and idiotic, I reserve the right to
say so. If someone can't handle that, tough luck!
I prefer a constructive way of discussing
'Twas brillig, and Johnny A. Solbu at 01/11/11 17:25 did gyre and gimble:
On Tuesday 01 November 2011 13:24, Michael Scherer wrote:
I suggest to re-read the other mails of the thread, especially the
one where I give this url :
http://www.spinics.net/lists/fedora-devel/msg158642.html
I have
Johnny A. Solbu a écrit :
On Tuesday 01 November 2011 13:24, Michael Scherer wrote:
I suggest to re-read the other mails of the thread, especially the one
where I give this url :
http://www.spinics.net/lists/fedora-devel/msg158642.html
I have read the entire thread on the Fedora
Le dimanche 30 octobre 2011 à 14:19 +0200, Thomas Backlund a écrit :
Colin Guthrie skrev 30.10.2011 13:26:
'Twas brillig, and Thomas Backlund at 29/10/11 21:13 did gyre and gimble:
So?
it's less impact on / than stuffing all of /usr on /
I don't understand what point you're trying to
Michael Scherer skrev 31.10.2011 18:07:
Le dimanche 30 octobre 2011 à 14:19 +0200, Thomas Backlund a écrit :
I'm saying moving the stuff that is _really_ needed, not based on udev
might run...
well, thinking some more on it I guess the real design flaw (not systemd
specific) is using all of
Le lundi 31 octobre 2011 à 19:06 +0200, Thomas Backlund a écrit :
Michael Scherer skrev 31.10.2011 18:07:
Le dimanche 30 octobre 2011 à 14:19 +0200, Thomas Backlund a écrit :
I'm saying moving the stuff that is _really_ needed, not based on udev
might run...
well, thinking some more
'Twas brillig, and Thomas Backlund at 31/10/11 17:06 did gyre and gimble:
Michael Scherer skrev 31.10.2011 18:07:
Le dimanche 30 octobre 2011 à 14:19 +0200, Thomas Backlund a écrit :
I'm saying moving the stuff that is _really_ needed, not based on udev
might run...
well, thinking some more
[Sorry for multiple replies, missed this bit in the last one :s]
'Twas brillig, and Thomas Backlund at 31/10/11 17:06 did gyre and gimble:
But I guess that's the development trend nowdays: I cant be bothered to
fix things properly so I just call it depreceated... and go ahead
and break things
Colin Guthrie skrev 31.10.2011 19:54:
[Sorry for multiple replies, missed this bit in the last one :s]
'Twas brillig, and Thomas Backlund at 31/10/11 17:06 did gyre and gimble:
But I guess that's the development trend nowdays: I cant be bothered to
fix things properly so I just call it
'Twas brillig, and Thomas Backlund at 31/10/11 19:01 did gyre and gimble:
Colin Guthrie skrev 31.10.2011 19:47:
Just have initramfs mount / and /usr, no need to merge.
Yes, this is exactly what is intended, but it depends on the use case:
Then I have misread something somewhere along the
On Mon, 31 Oct 2011 13:17:15 -0400, Michael Scherer m...@zarb.org wrote:
What is the usable feature ?
To be able to put some kind of quota on /usr ?
To be able to use a different fs for / and /usr ?
I once ran into the situation where installing a package
succeeded, but caused the /
On 29 October 2011 23:26, Colin Guthrie mag...@colin.guthr.ie wrote:
GDM failed to load:
# cat /var/log/gdm/:0-greeter.log.1
gnome-session[2246]: DEBUG(+): Enabling debugging
gnome-session[2246]: DEBUG(+): GsmXsmpServer:
'Twas brillig, and Thierry Vignaud at 30/10/11 10:13 did gyre and gimble:
On 29 October 2011 23:26, Colin Guthrie mag...@colin.guthr.ie wrote:
GDM failed to load:
# cat /var/log/gdm/:0-greeter.log.1
gnome-session[2246]: DEBUG(+): Enabling debugging
gnome-session[2246]: DEBUG(+):
'Twas brillig, and Thomas Backlund at 29/10/11 21:13 did gyre and gimble:
30.10.2011 01:16, Colin Guthrie skrev:
'Twas brillig, and Thomas Backlund at 27/10/11 15:12 did gyre and gimble:
Then we need to move those libs to /lib(64)
There is quite serious talk about deprecating /lib, /bin and
Colin Guthrie skrev 30.10.2011 13:26:
'Twas brillig, and Thomas Backlund at 29/10/11 21:13 did gyre and gimble:
So?
it's less impact on / than stuffing all of /usr on /
I don't understand what point you're trying to make here. You'd be
moving a whole bunch of stuff to /... And it becomes
On Sun, 30 Oct 2011 08:19:23 -0400, Thomas Backlund t...@mageia.org wrote:
I'm saying moving the stuff that is _really_ needed, not based on udev
might run...
Wouldn't it be easier just to make sure /usr, /usr/lib, /usr/bin, etc, are
all mounted before starting other things, just like the
'Twas brillig, and Thierry Vignaud at 27/10/11 22:44 did gyre and gimble:
On 22 October 2011 18:07, Colin Guthrie mag...@colin.guthr.ie wrote:
YMMV, so please test. Make sure you're confident of restoring your
system (e.g. via rescue CD or similar) should it be totally busted for
you :D
GDM
'Twas brillig, and Olav Vitters at 27/10/11 13:13 did gyre and gimble:
On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 10:27:12AM +0200, JA Magallon wrote:
On Sat, 22 Oct 2011 17:07:01 +0100
Colin Guthrie mag...@colin.guthr.ie wrote:
Hi,
I've just pushed new initscripts+systemd packages to updates_testing.
In
30.10.2011 00:30, Colin Guthrie skrev:
Is this not just a simple matter of enabling it? It starts fine here...
It may not have inherited the fact it's enabled in sysvinit properly,
but a simple systemctl enable sshd.service and a systemctl start
sshd.service should be enough. We perhaps want to
'Twas brillig, and Thomas Backlund at 27/10/11 15:12 did gyre and gimble:
Sander Lepik skrev 27.10.2011 17:01:
27.10.2011 16:45, Thomas Backlund kirjutas:
Sander Lepik skrev 27.10.2011 16:07:
27.10.2011 15:33, Thomas Backlund kirjutas:
My laptop hangs on shutdown.
My desktop has quite a
On Sat, 29 Oct 2011 22:30:26 +0100
Colin Guthrie mag...@colin.guthr.ie wrote:
'Twas brillig, and Olav Vitters at 27/10/11 13:13 did gyre and gimble:
On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 10:27:12AM +0200, JA Magallon wrote:
On Sat, 22 Oct 2011 17:07:01 +0100
Colin Guthrie mag...@colin.guthr.ie wrote:
'Twas brillig, and Thomas Backlund at 29/10/11 19:59 did gyre and gimble:
30.10.2011 00:30, Colin Guthrie skrev:
Is this not just a simple matter of enabling it? It starts fine here...
It may not have inherited the fact it's enabled in sysvinit properly,
but a simple systemctl enable
30.10.2011 01:16, Colin Guthrie skrev:
'Twas brillig, and Thomas Backlund at 27/10/11 15:12 did gyre and gimble:
Then we need to move those libs to /lib(64)
There is quite serious talk about deprecating /lib, /bin and /sbin and
basically anything that is not in /usr (with exceptions for
On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 10:27:12AM +0200, JA Magallon wrote:
On Sat, 22 Oct 2011 17:07:01 +0100
Colin Guthrie mag...@colin.guthr.ie wrote:
Hi,
I've just pushed new initscripts+systemd packages to updates_testing.
In the combinations I've tested:
systemd+dracut initrd: Boot and
On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 2:13 PM, Olav Vitters o...@vitters.nl wrote:
On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 10:27:12AM +0200, JA Magallon wrote:
On Sat, 22 Oct 2011 17:07:01 +0100
Colin Guthrie mag...@colin.guthr.ie wrote:
Hi,
I've just pushed new initscripts+systemd packages to updates_testing.
In
D.Morgan skrev 26.10.2011 09:36:
can someone test and report if it worked or not ? we need feedback to
push all this in core/release and have this available for alpha1
My laptop hangs on shutdown.
I haven't checked why yet.
I'll test my workstation today.
Last time I tried (a while ago), it
27.10.2011 15:33, Thomas Backlund kirjutas:
My laptop hangs on shutdown.
My desktop has quite a long delay before it turns off (maybe even 5
minutes).
Last time I tried (a while ago), it screwed up booting my dmraid setup,
and it was painful to restore, so I haven't tried after that.
With
On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 02:20:51PM +0200, Dexter Morgan wrote:
On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 2:13 PM, Olav Vitters o...@vitters.nl wrote:
had same issue with sshd
Any debug can help to understand ?
I'll contact on IRC. No real systemd knowledge. I did notice that
because I upgraded, the systemd
Sander Lepik skrev 27.10.2011 16:07:
27.10.2011 15:33, Thomas Backlund kirjutas:
My laptop hangs on shutdown.
My desktop has quite a long delay before it turns off (maybe even 5
minutes).
Ok, so thats a showstopper that need to be fixed.
Last time I tried (a while ago), it screwed up
Thomas Backlund skrev 27.10.2011 15:33:
D.Morgan skrev 26.10.2011 09:36:
can someone test and report if it worked or not ? we need feedback to
push all this in core/release and have this available for alpha1
My laptop hangs on shutdown.
I haven't checked why yet.
I'll test my workstation
27.10.2011 16:45, Thomas Backlund kirjutas:
Sander Lepik skrev 27.10.2011 16:07:
27.10.2011 15:33, Thomas Backlund kirjutas:
My laptop hangs on shutdown.
My desktop has quite a long delay before it turns off (maybe even 5
minutes).
Ok, so thats a showstopper that need to be fixed.
Yes.
On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 05:01:49PM +0300, Sander Lepik wrote:
And so is this. if dracut or systemd requires /usr to be under /
then it will _never_ be default.
It's systemd. It has some libs in /usr/lib that it needs for
udev.service (if i remember correctly) and for some reason
udev.service
Sander Lepik skrev 27.10.2011 17:01:
27.10.2011 16:45, Thomas Backlund kirjutas:
Sander Lepik skrev 27.10.2011 16:07:
27.10.2011 15:33, Thomas Backlund kirjutas:
My laptop hangs on shutdown.
My desktop has quite a long delay before it turns off (maybe even 5
minutes).
Ok, so thats a
On 22 October 2011 18:07, Colin Guthrie mag...@colin.guthr.ie wrote:
YMMV, so please test. Make sure you're confident of restoring your
system (e.g. via rescue CD or similar) should it be totally busted for
you :D
GDM failed to load:
# cat /var/log/gdm/:0-greeter.log.1
gnome-session[2246]:
On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 6:07 PM, Colin Guthrie mag...@colin.guthr.ie wrote:
Hi,
I've just pushed new initscripts+systemd packages to updates_testing.
In the combinations I've tested:
systemd+dracut initrd: Boot and Shutdown works fine.
sysvinit+mkinitrd initrd: Boot and Shutdown works
26.10.2011 09:36, D.Morgan kirjutas:
can someone test and report if it worked or not ? we need feedback to
push all this in core/release and have this available for alpha1
thank you.
Systemd + dracut initrd works. I have long delays but this is probably
udev and/or kernel problem.
--
Sander
On Wed, 26 Oct 2011 02:36:07 -0400, D.Morgan dmorga...@gmail.com wrote:
can someone test and report if it worked or not ? we need feedback to
push all this in core/release and have this available for alpha1
Worked ok here, with the following problems
pata_acpi is being loaded before pata_via,
26.10.2011 10:00, David W. Hodgins kirjutas:
On Wed, 26 Oct 2011 02:36:07 -0400, D.Morgan dmorga...@gmail.com wrote:
can someone test and report if it worked or not ? we need feedback to
push all this in core/release and have this available for alpha1
Worked ok here, with the following
On Sat, 22 Oct 2011 17:07:01 +0100
Colin Guthrie mag...@colin.guthr.ie wrote:
Hi,
I've just pushed new initscripts+systemd packages to updates_testing.
In the combinations I've tested:
systemd+dracut initrd: Boot and Shutdown works fine.
sysvinit+mkinitrd initrd: Boot and Shutdown
On 26 October 2011 08:36, D.Morgan dmorga...@gmail.com wrote:
can someone test and report if it worked or not ? we need feedback to
push all this in core/release and have this available for alpha1
I didn't test it b/c it tried to remove initscripts, and thus the fallback
Hi,
I've just pushed new initscripts+systemd packages to updates_testing.
In the combinations I've tested:
systemd+dracut initrd: Boot and Shutdown works fine.
sysvinit+mkinitrd initrd: Boot and Shutdown works fine.
systemd+mkinitrd initrd: Boot fails due to not finding LVM disk.
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