On Thursday, 12 January 2012 22:25:51 Christian Lohmaier wrote:
Hi Florian,
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 8:42 PM, Florian Hubold doktor5...@arcor.de wrote:
Am 12.01.2012 19:01, schrieb Christian Lohmaier:
[..]
PS: Maybe next time you could improve on your wording, the policy may
Christian Lohmaier a écrit :
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 8:04 PM, Juan Luis Baptistejuan...@mageia.org wrote:
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 1:01 PM, Christian Lohmaier
lohmaier+mag...@googlemail.com wrote:
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 10:09 PM, Juan Luis Baptistejuan...@mageia.org wrote:
On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 10:28 AM, andre999 andre999...@laposte.net wrote:
Christian Lohmaier a écrit :
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 8:04 PM, Juan Luis Baptistejuan...@mageia.org
wrote:
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 1:01 PM, Christian Lohmaier
lohmaier+mag...@googlemail.com wrote:
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012
On Wednesday, 11 January 2012 20:22:23 Antoine Pitrou wrote:
On Wed, 11 Jan 2012 12:43:35 -0500
Juan Luis Baptiste juan...@mageia.org
wrote:
Sure, you cannot be save of regressions, but what makes you think you
are smarter than upstream? What makes you so sure that not the one
commit
On Wednesday, 11 January 2012 22:05:53 Antoine Pitrou wrote:
On Wed, 11 Jan 2012 14:41:54 -0500
Juan Luis Baptiste juan...@mageia.org
wrote:
As I said, when there's a bug report on mga, we start investigating
the problem and go and look at upstream for a bug report there for
*that*
On Thu, 12 Jan 2012 11:05:34 +0200
Buchan Milne bgmi...@zarb.org wrote:
An approach that doens't include a bug filed with the distribution means the
user doesn't really seem interested in receiving an update from the
distribution.
Do note there are bugs that may go unnoticed by the user
Le 12/01/2012 10:27, Antoine Pitrou a écrit :
Each packager can decide if their upstream package is well-behaved or
not. Of course, better be conservative and not package bugfix releases
if you aren't totally confident. Still, some upstream teams *are*
well-behaved.
Some means actually a very
On Thursday, 12 January 2012 11:27:59 Antoine Pitrou wrote:
On Thu, 12 Jan 2012 11:05:34 +0200
Buchan Milne bgmi...@zarb.org wrote:
An approach that doens't include a bug filed with the distribution means
the user doesn't really seem interested in receiving an update from the
Buchan Milne a écrit :
On Wednesday, 11 January 2012 22:10:01 Juan Luis Baptiste wrote:
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 2:10 PM, Michael Schererm...@zarb.org wrote:
Le mercredi 11 janvier 2012 à 11:24 -0500, Juan Luis Baptiste a écrit :
So trusting and having bugs are totally unrelated.
On Thursday 12 January 2012 10:05, Buchan Milne wrote:
many users don't report upstream
bugs to the distro's tracker.”
Why not?
Why should they? As far as the average Joe is concerned they should only have
to file a bug one place.
This is how many of them think. And I agree with them.
On Thursday, 12 January 2012 16:45:39 Johnny A. Solbu wrote:
On Thursday 12 January 2012 10:05, Buchan Milne wrote:
many users don't report upstream
bugs to the distro's tracker.”
Why not?
Why should they? As far as the average Joe is concerned they should only
have to file a bug one
Hi Juan Luis,
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 10:09 PM, Juan Luis Baptiste juan...@mageia.org wrote:
[..]
As I said, no one is talking about picking up a fix if there's a bug
fix only release, it's for when it isn't and we need to reduce the
chance of regressions by taking the modifications that
On Thursday 12 January 2012 19:01, Christian Lohmaier wrote:
Updating from 1.3.2 to 1.3.3 would not be in compliance with
the policy (if not in one of the three exception cases) - this is what
I have called stupid policy (and still do).
Hear, hear!
--
Johnny A. Solbu
PGP key ID: 0xFA687324
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 1:01 PM, Christian Lohmaier
lohmaier+mag...@googlemail.com wrote:
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 10:09 PM, Juan Luis Baptiste juan...@mageia.org
wrote:
[..]
As I said, no one is talking about picking up a fix if there's a bug
fix only release, it's for when it isn't and we
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 8:04 PM, Juan Luis Baptiste juan...@mageia.org wrote:
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 1:01 PM, Christian Lohmaier
lohmaier+mag...@googlemail.com wrote:
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 10:09 PM, Juan Luis Baptiste juan...@mageia.org
wrote:
[..]
As I said, no one is talking about
Am 12.01.2012 19:01, schrieb Christian Lohmaier:
Hi Juan Luis,
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 10:09 PM, Juan Luis Baptiste juan...@mageia.org
wrote:
[..]
As I said, no one is talking about picking up a fix if there's a bug
fix only release, it's for when it isn't and we need to reduce the
chance
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 2:10 PM, Christian Lohmaier
lohmaier+mag...@googlemail.com wrote:
No, I'm doing exactly as the policy says, patch current stable
version.
But then you're *not* doing as the policy says, as policy says:
same version of the package *released with the distribution*
So
Hi Juan Luis,
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 8:53 PM, Juan Luis Baptiste juan...@mageia.org wrote:
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 2:10 PM, Christian Lohmaier
lohmaier+mag...@googlemail.com wrote:
No, I'm doing exactly as the policy says, patch current stable
version.
But then you're *not* doing as the
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 3:02 PM, Christian Lohmaier
lohmaier+mag...@googlemail.com wrote:
You should learn to use unambiguous words then. Where I get that from
is in this quote:
No, I'm doing exactly as the policy says, patch current stable version.
Ahh ok, I meant current stable version in
Hi Florian,
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 8:42 PM, Florian Hubold doktor5...@arcor.de wrote:
Am 12.01.2012 19:01, schrieb Christian Lohmaier:
[..]
PS: Maybe next time you could improve on your wording, the policy may
currently be incorrect, not reflecting good packaging practices, but as it's
only
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 21:25, Christian Lohmaier
lohmaier+mag...@googlemail.com wrote:
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 8:42 PM, Florian Hubold doktor5...@arcor.de wrote:
Am 12.01.2012 19:01, schrieb Christian Lohmaier:
[..]
PS: Maybe next time you could improve on your wording, the policy may
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 3:25 PM, Christian Lohmaier
lohmaier+mag...@googlemail.com wrote:
Hi Florian,
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 8:42 PM, Florian Hubold doktor5...@arcor.de wrote:
Am 12.01.2012 19:01, schrieb Christian Lohmaier:
[..]
PS: Maybe next time you could improve on your wording, the
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 11:35 PM, Juan Luis Baptiste juan...@mageia.org wrote:
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 3:25 PM, Christian Lohmaier
lohmaier+mag...@googlemail.com wrote:
[...] You could have made
your point by saying that *you* don't like that t-shirt because of x
and y motives and if he had
Am 11.01.2012 08:57, schrieb Buchan Milne:
On Wednesday, 11 January 2012 06:32:50 Johnny A. Solbu wrote:
On Wednesday 11 January 2012 03:28, Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz wrote:
I mean, stop asking updates for mageia 1 just because there is another
newversion.
May I suggest that next time, say it
On Tue, 10 Jan 2012 20:28:15 -0600
Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
dlu...@okay.com.mx wrote:
You dont get me,
I mean, stop asking updates for mageia 1 just because there is another
newversion.
Uh.
As a Mageia user I would expect Mageia to package significant *bugfix
releases* and ship them in
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 3:43 AM, Florian Hubold doktor5...@arcor.de wrote:
Well, 2) and 3) are not valid reasons here, because backports should get
a similar amount of QA testing as normal update candidates, and for
the updates policy require a bugreport for validation through QA.
I think this
On Wed, 11 Jan 2012 16:51:55 +0100
Guillaume Rousse
guillomovi...@gmail.com wrote:
Le 11/01/2012 16:09, Antoine Pitrou a écrit :
As a Mageia user I would expect Mageia to package significant *bugfix
releases* and ship them in the updates for the stable distro.
You'd rather read the current
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 11:48 AM, Christian Lohmaier
lohmaier+mag...@googlemail.com wrote:
Welcome to distro-isolation, putting burden on maintainers, giving
them all the reason to deny a reasonable request for a bugfix release
because it just is too much work to hunt for a specific commit that
On Wed, 11 Jan 2012 12:43:35 -0500
Juan Luis Baptiste juan...@mageia.org
wrote:
Sure, you cannot be save of regressions, but what makes you think you
are smarter than upstream? What makes you so sure that not the one
commit you add as a patch to your package is the one that causes the
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 1:22 PM, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote:
On Wed, 11 Jan 2012 12:43:35 -0500
But how do you choose which patches you want to backport from the
stream of bugfixes done by upstream?
Because normally a single commit fixes a single bug and the commit
message says
Le mercredi 11 janvier 2012 à 11:24 -0500, Juan Luis Baptiste a écrit :
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 3:43 AM, Florian Hubold doktor5...@arcor.de wrote:
Well, 2) and 3) are not valid reasons here, because backports should get
a similar amount of QA testing as normal update candidates, and for
the
On Wed, 11 Jan 2012 13:33:41 -0500
Juan Luis Baptiste juan...@mageia.org
wrote:
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 1:22 PM, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote:
On Wed, 11 Jan 2012 12:43:35 -0500
But how do you choose which patches you want to backport from the
stream of bugfixes done by
Le mercredi 11 janvier 2012 à 17:48 +0100, Christian Lohmaier a écrit :
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 4:51 PM, Guillaume Rousse
guillomovi...@gmail.com wrote:
Le 11/01/2012 16:09, Antoine Pitrou a écrit :
As a Mageia user I would expect Mageia to package significant *bugfix
releases* and ship
On Wednesday 11 January 2012 19:33, Juan Luis Baptiste wrote:
Should the packager monitor all
bug fixing activity?
No we don't need to, we just need to look for the fix we are
interested in as I described before.
And how do one do that without monitoring most bugfixing activity or
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 2:19 PM, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote:
On Wed, 11 Jan 2012 13:33:41 -0500
No we don't need to, we just need to look for the fix we are
interested in as I described before.
Uh, you have a hard time understanding a question don't you?
And you a hard time
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 2:38 PM, Johnny A. Solbu coo...@solbu.net wrote:
On Wednesday 11 January 2012 19:33, Juan Luis Baptiste wrote:
And how do one do that without monitoring most bugfixing activity or
reviewing them, hunting for a particular fix?
To some people, that magic trick is not
Le mercredi 11 janvier 2012 à 16:09 +0100, Antoine Pitrou a écrit :
On Tue, 10 Jan 2012 20:28:15 -0600
Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
dlu...@okay.com.mx wrote:
You dont get me,
I mean, stop asking updates for mageia 1 just because there is another
newversion.
Uh.
As a Mageia user I
Le mercredi 11 janvier 2012 19:22:23, Antoine Pitrou a écrit :
Just because someone doesn't file a bug against Mageia doesn't mean the
bug doesn't bother anybody, because many users don't report upstream
bugs to the distro's tracker.
(also, other users don't bother reporting bugs at all :-))
On Wed, 11 Jan 2012 14:41:54 -0500
Juan Luis Baptiste juan...@mageia.org
wrote:
As I said, when there's a bug report on mga, we start investigating
the problem and go and look at upstream for a bug report there for
*that* particular bug.
So let me repeat myself from two messages above (!):
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 2:10 PM, Michael Scherer m...@zarb.org wrote:
Le mercredi 11 janvier 2012 à 11:24 -0500, Juan Luis Baptiste a écrit :
So trusting and having bugs are totally unrelated. And if you doubt that
bugs appear, just see our bugzilla.
We trust upstream ( most of them ), and
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 3:05 PM, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote:
“Just because someone doesn't file a bug against Mageia doesn't mean the
bug doesn't bother anybody, because many users don't report upstream
bugs to the distro's tracker.”
Simple, we won't fix bugs that aren't
On Wed, 11 Jan 2012 15:13:05 -0500
Juan Luis Baptiste juan...@mageia.org
wrote:
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 3:05 PM, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote:
“Just because someone doesn't file a bug against Mageia doesn't mean the
bug doesn't bother anybody, because many users don't report
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 6:43 PM, Juan Luis Baptiste juan...@mageia.org wrote:
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 11:48 AM, Christian Lohmaier
lohmaier+mag...@googlemail.com wrote:
[...]
You don't do packaging, right ?
Wrong. I do packaging, although not for any distro.
it isn't that hard and is how
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 8:56 PM, zezinho lists.jjo...@free.fr wrote:
Le mercredi 11 janvier 2012 19:22:23, Antoine Pitrou a écrit :
Just because someone doesn't file a bug against Mageia doesn't mean the
bug doesn't bother anybody, because many users don't report upstream
bugs to the distro's
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 8:32 PM, Michael Scherer m...@zarb.org wrote:
Le mercredi 11 janvier 2012 à 17:48 +0100, Christian Lohmaier a écrit :
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 4:51 PM, Guillaume Rousse
guillomovi...@gmail.com wrote:
Le 11/01/2012 16:09, Antoine Pitrou a écrit :
As a Mageia user I
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 3:44 PM, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote:
And my point is that these bugs are fixed automatically if you follow
bugfix releases from upstream...
Apparently you like to create work for yourself, though :)
No, it seems that you like to read what you like to
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 3:53 PM, Christian Lohmaier
lohmaier+mag...@googlemail.com wrote:
adding patches to the packages and releasing them instead of waiting
for a new upstream release is different from having the policy to
stick with whatever release was used when releasing the distro and
AS i understand
we are not a rolling distribution, so i dont get why i'm getting tickets to
update release.
What I mean, if you consider an update, like the one i did squid 3.1.12 to
3.1.15 please explain why. Otherwhise i gues it is better you cand use Mageia
cauldron SRPM and do backport
Hi Luis, *,
On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 5:47 AM, Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
dlu...@okay.com.mx wrote:
AS i understand
we are not a rolling distribution, so i dont get why i'm getting tickets to
update release.
What I mean, if you consider an update, like the one i did squid 3.1.12 to
3.1.15 please
Le 10/01/2012 19:12, Christian Lohmaier a écrit :
And using a fixed upstream release surely is preferable over adding
patches manually, isn't it?
No. Adding bugfix-specific patches ensure you just fix specific issues,
whereas updating software version usually doesn't offer any kind of
garanty
Le mardi 10 janvier 2012 19:12:29 Christian Lohmaier a écrit :
Hi Luis, *,
On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 5:47 AM, Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
dlu...@okay.com.mx wrote:
AS i understand
we are not a rolling distribution, so i dont get why i'm getting tickets
to
update release.
What I mean,
On Wednesday 11 January 2012 03:28, Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz wrote:
I mean, stop asking updates for mageia 1 just because there is another
newversion.
May I suggest that next time, say it in so many words.
Some of us are not good at reading between the lines, and your original post
was
On Wednesday, 11 January 2012 06:32:50 Johnny A. Solbu wrote:
On Wednesday 11 January 2012 03:28, Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz wrote:
I mean, stop asking updates for mageia 1 just because there is another
newversion.
May I suggest that next time, say it in so many words.
Some of us are not
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