Re: [Mailman-Developers] [Fwd: Fwd: Re: [Mailman-Announce] Critical security update for Mailman 2.1.5 and earlier [origin: mailman-developers-owner@python.org]]

2005-02-16 Thread Harald Meland
> From: Axel Beckert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Announce] Critical security update for Mailman 2.1.5 > and earlier > To: mailman-developers@python.org > > I just want to share my experiences with the patch: > > Am Thu, Feb 10, 2005 at 09:41:05AM -0500, Barry Warsaw schrieb: >

Re: making Mailman CAN-SPAM compliant (was Re:[Mailman-Developers] Hashing member passwords in config.pck)

2005-02-16 Thread Bryan Fullerton
On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 10:32:58 -0800, Chuq Von Rospach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [snip] > I think its safe to say that it's not lack of interest or intent here > with any of us, but a lack of free time. And time, of course is one > commodity you can't do much about some times. Ditto. My daughter ju

Re: making Mailman CAN-SPAM compliant (was Re:[Mailman-Developers] Hashing member passwords in config.pck)

2005-02-16 Thread Chuq Von Rospach
On Feb 16, 2005, at 8:45 AM, Brad Knowles wrote: I try to do all the little things I can, so that Barry and the core developers can focus their attention on the big things that I have no hope of ever being able to touch. For the most part, I try to follow the lead of people like Barry, Chuq,

RE: making Mailman CAN-SPAM compliant (was Re:[Mailman-Developers]Hashing member passwords in config.pck)

2005-02-16 Thread Mark Sapiro
Adrian Bye wrote: > >Yesterday I contributed patches which enables Mailman to have this exact >functionality which we borrowed from Yahoo Groups. Yet I've seen no response >from you yet, and only one half dismissive response from another mailman >developer. Since mine was to only reply to your po

[Mailman-Developers] Sprinting at Pycon 2005

2005-02-16 Thread Barry Warsaw
I encourage everyone who wants to help speed Mailman3 progress to join us at Pycon 2005 for a Mailman 3 sprint. Here's the sprint page: http://www.python.org/moin/Mailman3Sprint If you're coming, please add your name to the list. I think we can make some significant progress if we get enough pe

Re: making Mailman CAN-SPAM compliant (was Re: [Mailman-Developers] Hashing member passwords in config.pck)

2005-02-16 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Wed, 2005-02-16 at 11:42, Kevin McCann wrote: > BARRY: would now be a good time to re-energize discussions on the MM3 > development list? What is your time like? And are there any plans for a > MM3 sprint? I can send people. Yes, let's start things back up on mailman3-dev. I definitely pla

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Re: making Mailman CAN-SPAM compliant

2005-02-16 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Wed, 2005-02-16 at 11:24, Darrell Fuhriman wrote: > Maybe open up the code to a few more commiters would help? But, I > don't get the impression there's much interest in letting others > have a crack at it. I agree that I am going to have to open the project up to more committers if Mailman 3

Re: making Mailman CAN-SPAM compliant (was Re:[Mailman-Developers] Hashing member passwords in config.pck)

2005-02-16 Thread Brad Knowles
At 8:13 AM -0800 2005-02-16, JC Dill wrote: I don't know what Brad's key focus is on this list, but I can share with you that *I* am not a developer in that I don't write code. I'm not a developer, either. I can do a little bit of hacking together scripts, but that's about it.

RE: making Mailman CAN-SPAM compliant (was Re:[Mailman-Developers] Hashing member passwords in config.pck)

2005-02-16 Thread Brad Knowles
At 11:28 AM -0400 2005-02-16, Adrian Bye wrote: We've previously had conversations about some Yahoo groups functionality which you said wasn't possible: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.039.htp Indeed, we have. Yesterday I contributed patches which enables Mail

Re: making Mailman CAN-SPAM compliant (was Re:[Mailman-Developers] Hashing member passwords in config.pck)

2005-02-16 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Wed, 2005-02-16 at 11:13, JC Dill wrote: > Right now, I would suggest being patient. I suggest you give it a week > for Barry and the other key developers to to find the time to start > looking at new code after they dig out from their present schedule > overload caused by the recent securi

Re: making Mailman CAN-SPAM compliant (was Re: [Mailman-Developers] Hashing member passwords in config.pck)

2005-02-16 Thread Kevin McCann
Tobias Eigen wrote: What I envision having in my Mailman/Mambo system is a single user database with one password per username for all services. Users can then go to a simple preferences page on Mambo and do basic things like change their email address or password, tick a box to opt in/out of

Re: making Mailman CAN-SPAM compliant (was Re: [Mailman-Developers] Hashing member passwords in config.pck)

2005-02-16 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Wed, 2005-02-16 at 08:54, Tobias Eigen wrote: > It's really weird to have to log in > multiple times to access multiple list settings, especially if it's the > same password being used everywhere. It's likewise weird to then be > able to make "global" changes from one list's preferences page

[Mailman-Developers] Re: making Mailman CAN-SPAM compliant

2005-02-16 Thread Darrell Fuhriman
"Adrian Bye" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Mailman CAN be as good - and better - than Yahoo Groups. It > doesn't have to take lots of money and resources. Just being > willing to accept our code a piece at a time, and encouraging > those who contribute will go a long way towards getting there.

Re: making Mailman CAN-SPAM compliant (was Re:[Mailman-Developers] Hashing member passwords in config.pck)

2005-02-16 Thread JC Dill
Adrian Bye wrote: If someone wanted to pay large sums of money to make an open source Yahoo! Groups-beating package, and pay people to work on that as their full-time job, we might be able to change this situation -- in time. We've previously had conversations about some Yahoo groups functiona

RE: making Mailman CAN-SPAM compliant (was Re:[Mailman-Developers] Hashing member passwords in config.pck)

2005-02-16 Thread Adrian Bye
> All I can say is that Mailman is a non-profit open > source project, run by a group of people in whatever spare > time they can manage to scrape together. > > The Linux folks haven't cracked the ease-of-use aspects > of their OS compared to Microsoft, not even for the companies >

Re: making Mailman CAN-SPAM compliant (was Re: [Mailman-Developers] Hashing member passwords in config.pck)

2005-02-16 Thread Brad Knowles
At 8:54 AM -0500 2005-02-16, Tobias Eigen wrote: I know all this - and I know you know it, and I know all Mailman geeks like us get it. The problem is with regular, every day people who are expecting (and really can be expected to expect) Yahoogroups type interfaces. All I can say is that Mail

making Mailman CAN-SPAM compliant (was Re: [Mailman-Developers] Hashing member passwords in config.pck)

2005-02-16 Thread Tobias Eigen
Hi Brad - Sorry for sitting on this for so long - would like to respond to it though.. see below. And this, plus the CAN prefix to the patch name, reminds me: correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding is that Mailman as it exists does not comply with the new (unfortunately named) CAN SPAM