es. I.e. long-term, at
this point we're still better off porting MM2 than switching to MM3.
Not sure why, though: Jan 2020 has come and gone and all my python-2
scripts are still working. Amazingly enough.
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is run via cron. You can edit Mailman's
> crontab to run it on whatever schedule you like.
>
Thank you Mark
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"suid", disable selinux, and generally: upgrade your system to centos 6
or alpine if you need the latest kernel.
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though, it has its own DNS resolver
already, I'm sure it won't take long.
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another 13 posts.
Just pipe it through
lambda fixstr s : return unicodedata.normalize('NFKD',
s.decode('utf-8')).encode('ascii','ignore'))
or something along those lines first and be done with it.
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On 4/12/19 10:21 AM, Matthew Goebel wrote:
> Won't redhat just apply/support fixes provided the software vendor? If
> something comes up with python
> how likely are they to build their own fix?
https://access.redhat.com/security/updates/backporting/
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PS not that I disagree that the practical way out right now is to make a
simple e.g. flask-based UI for MM3.
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oincidentally, I hear
docker's written in go and singularity recently got rewritten in go.)
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... If you want something that's never going to
change, Python 2.7 is as good as anything else.
Some orgs have "cybersecurity" with "vulnerability scanners". You may
have to spend more time hiding your python version from them, then
you'll sp
cker exec MM2_CONTAINTER /usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman "$@" -
"""
and maybe when I get a round tuit for upgrading our mail server I'll
give that a try...
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On 4/10/19 12:49 PM, Sean McBride wrote:
> On Wed, 10 Apr 2019 12:38:34 -0500, Dimitri Maziuk via Mailman-Users said:
>
>> How much support for python 2 have you been getting until now, and why
>> do you believe you will need it in the future?
>
> Fixes to security vulner
On 4/10/19 10:36 AM, Matthew Goebel wrote:
> Hey,
>
> Now that all support for Python 2 is supposed to go away in 2020 are
> people going to move off of mailman 2?
How much support for python 2 have you been getting until now, and why
do you believe you will need it in the future?
out a local MTA, than in setting up postfix.
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home MX, I don't see why mailman wouldn't work
behind that.
> The 45 messages mentioning UUCP surprises me more.
:)
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as much as possible during the SMTP transaction.
> So if there is a reasonable way to apply some Mailman filtering logic to
> applicable messages, why not do it?
Like I said, it's probably whooping 10 extra lines of python -- as long
as you use postfix. The question is how much work i
On 12/14/18 11:18 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
> <https://wiki.list.org/x/4030680>.
Oh, so it's a feature. Colour me surprised.
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ils, the attachments are there indeed.
(I expect having "not me too" set would do this, too, but it wasn't the
case here.)
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pdfs, or he is not
receiving his own messages or something...
Thanks again
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e because those things only support plain text, possibly with
> hyperlinks to removed non-plain text parts.
It's a non-digest list (and yes, I get the archives), but here's the
thought: if a member's set to "plain", would that also trigger the scrub?
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nno. I think "почтальон-отскакивет" sounds hilarious in Russian.
(Google translation, although incorrect, ain't bad either.) I see great
fun potential.
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ems odd, and I'm trying to figure out if anyone else has ever seen
> this?
> Not much I can do about this with mailman if true?
No, not much anyone can do: you can't overcome stupid.
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could check out list archives and see if their message is there.
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On 05/31/2018 04:52 PM, Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users wrote:
> On 05/31/2018 03:05 PM, Dimitri Maziuk wrote:
>> What exactly is it about mailman usernames and passwords that you are
>> trying to protect with HTTPS?
>
> I wasn't talking about Mailman usernames (email
On 05/31/2018 02:40 PM, Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users wrote:
> On 05/31/2018 01:18 PM, Dimitri Maziuk wrote:
>> Yeah, I too once thought that was a good idea.
>
> I'm not quite following you. Are you saying that you now dislike
> HTTP(S) usernames & passwords spec
answer with those guys is don't run mailman. Export the
subscribers and use it as CC list in Orifice'365: you can't go wrong
with "industry standard".
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On 05/14/2018 05:02 PM, Ángel wrote:
> Being nitpicky. What about sysadmins subscribed to this list as part of
> their professional activity ? (but otherwise interacting in the same way
> as a hobbyist)
How do hobbyists interact? Enquiring minds want to know.
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starting page will have a little unguarded duct in it
leading all the way to the soft chewy core and... KABOOM!
I.e. I'm talking the cure worse than the disease. Especially when there
are no observable symptoms yet.
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forgotten. How many people here had to delete messages
and rebuild the archives because of it?
And besides, I've done that a few times cleaning up spam that got past
the filters -- it's not *that* hard.
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On 03/22/2018 01:48 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
> That should be OK assuming as Dimitri Maziuk says you have
> "inet_protocols = ipv4" in your postfix config (or the
> equivalent for your MTA).
On 2nd thought, if they are the ones bouncing, *they* may be running
query instead
On 03/22/2018 01:14 PM, Jayson Smith wrote:
> ... My host
> supports IPV6 but I'm not using it for mail.
As in you have "inet_protocols = ipv4" in your postfix config (or the
equivalent for your MTA)? Otherwise it's not quite up to you.
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ELIVERY RIGHTS in 'man local'.
I've seem disk/fs errors causing "read only filesystem", but then you
get the same error creating a file in there by hand. Which I'm assuming
is not the case here.
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On 2018-02-06 04:09, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
Do you have something to add to that, or disagree with that?
I said it was what *I* believe, not what IETF believes.
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be present and MUST be unique", that
doesn't make the converse true: that two copies of the same message
*must* carry the same Message-ID.
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RETURNCODE == 0 )
exit
The reformail[1] command maintains a list of recently seen
Message-IDs in the file duplicate.cache.
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e too difficult indeed.
The only problem then is list mail will seldom land in the list
sub-folders as the direct replies should almost always come first and
land in inbox.
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ively remove them.
Does it ave the same Message-ID though? I suppose if I reply-both on
this one, you'll have an easy way to check.
(sending to both)
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et with procmail.
Dep. on your MDA setup, list replies could go to list folder and
off-list copies: to main inbox. In which case I think that thunderbird
plug-in would not work either, even if you still have both on disk.
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On 2018-01-29 23:51, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
... [ Reply-To ] should have a checkbox "same as my
From address."
Oh, great, now I'll rreecceeiivvee eevveerryytthhiinngg ttwwiiccee..
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On 2018-01-24 02:50, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
I'd appreciate if those who have strong opinions on this would take a
look at the analysis below and tell me if I'm missing something.
While I don't have a strong opinion, getting two copes of the same
message (usual "reply all") behaviour is sub
t Thing(tm) with a single click.
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will not resolve if you try the above in
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On 01/05/2018 02:13 PM, Ruben Safir wrote:
> That is not a true statement. When you are looking for a MAIL host, it
> is logical to ask for it with an MX record.
Fine. Dig for an MX record for your defined SMTPHost and see what you get.
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On 01/05/2018 01:34 PM, Ruben Safir wrote:
> On 01/05/2018 01:41 PM, Dimitri Maziuk wrote:
>> On 01/05/2018 11:49 AM, Ruben Safir wrote:
>>
>>> SMTPHost seems to do a non-mx record lookup for the value ... which is a
>>> little strange.
>> When you look u
*host*. I expect in most cases if you query for MX for
SMTP*Host* you'll get nothing -- I wonder how many admins define MXers
for each host these days.
It shouldn't need FQDN though, it should add search domain suffix(es)
from /etc/resolv.conf.
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exactly like its authors intended.
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On 2018-01-04 11:06, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
As I understand your
post, RH/Centos leaves mm_cfg.py in /var/lib/mailman/Mailman and puts
a link in /etc. But Debian moves the actual file to /etc/mailman, and
puts a link in /var/lib/mailman/Mailman. Almost surely people are
going to end up wit
On 01/02/2018 10:03 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
> On 01/02/2018 04:48 PM, Dimitri Maziuk wrote:
> Basically, your question relates to the RHEL Mailman package and the
> second link above is all we know about that.
Fair enough but I should think expecting site-specific settings to live
unde
m_cfg.py -- does
that sound workable?
Any other gotchas?
(The setup is centos 6 with mailman 2.1.12 with whatever patches RedHat
added without changing the version number.)
TIA
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I don't remember ever running into one myself.
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On 11/13/2017 06:03 PM, eminmn wrote:
> Steve:
>
> On 11/12/2017 23:37, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
>> Dimitri Maziuk writes:
>>
>> > Heh. You made me look. No, contrary to the popular belief LiGNUx
>> did not
>> > invent the world,
>>
>
On 2017-11-12 12:06, Dimitri Maziuk wrote:
other unix vendors
^^^
braino. "the only unix vendors left standing".
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On 2017-11-11 18:34, Jordan Brown wrote:
arch(1) dates back to at least SunOS 4.0, ca 1987. I haven't been able
to find manual pages before that.
The competitor, "uname -m", dates back at least that far, in the System
V branch of UNIX - it's in the SVID in 1986.
...
So I think the simple
On 2017-11-11 17:19, Mark Sapiro wrote:
On 11/11/2017 02:28 PM, Hal via Mailman-Users wrote:
...
The "LISTNAME.mbox/" directory contains a single "LISTNAME.mbox" file
while the "LISTNAME/" directory contains a variety of files and
sub-directories by month. I suppose I have to clean things up in
On 2017-11-11 12:22, Phil Stracchino wrote:
Heh, I just looked at that myself. How did such a useless tool ever
become standard?
My guess is IIRC SunOS was on Solaris 8 by 2001, and it was *the*
grown-up 64-bit unix: every other unix vendor's keeled over or was about
to and x86_64 didn't ex
On 2017-11-10 01:06, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
Dimitri Maziuk writes:
> well, given /bin/arch and its importance to packagers and such, you'd
> have to agree that bin/arch was perhaps not the best choice of name.
> ;)
Yup, and pretty sure Mailman's was first. T
On 11/08/2017 06:00 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
> On 11/07/2017 10:41 AM, Dimitri Maziuk wrote:
>>
>> man mmarch
>
>
> Which is apparently some packager's version of Mailman's bin/arch
well, given /bin/arch and its importance to packagers and such, you'd
have
ine are along the lines of "hard to do", "shouldn't be attempted",
> "impossible" and so on. Is this correct, or is there a solution?
man mmarch
I haven't done this in forever but IIRC the scary hard to do impossible
part is editing the mbox file wit
On 2017-10-19 01:36, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
(I don't understand Dimitri's claim about SourceForge ads; all the
mail I get from SourceForge is originated there and AFAIK the DKIM
validates. If it doesn't, their system is pretty brain-damaged.)
It is, but not DKIM-drain-bramaged. I PGP-sign
On 10/18/2017 04:26 PM, Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users wrote:
> On 10/18/2017 02:10 PM, Dimitri Maziuk wrote:
>
> Do I understand you correctly to mean to create the signature before
> applying transport encoding?
>
>> Only, you can't do that on the MX, it has to be do
ARC headers. But at
this point I'd just strip them all off.
(And since I'm tripping down the memory lane:
https://catless.ncl.ac.uk/Risks/23/21#subj9.1)
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any won't. Most importantly,
crypto signature will change, and DKIM check will fail.
Benign is in the eye of the beholder. We're inserting this stuff into a
database where a search for "Wutrich" will find neither "Wütrich" nor
"W\u0308trich" so I wo
mewhere I've a 10-year old e-mail from Whit Diffie explaining how SSL
was a PR solution to a marketing problem. So this kind of
problem-finding and problem-solving has made to SMTP RFCs now, colour me
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On 2017-10-17 19:09, Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users wrote:
If DKIM signature fails, then there is something wrong with the message,
and treat it suspiciously. Read: I increment the spam score. (If the
spam score is high enough I reject the message at SMTP time.)
If there is no DKIM signatu
s altered (in your interpretation:
"maliciously") or not, or
- (in Mark's version) assume anything not signed is malicious and invalid.
I strongly dislike either alternative.
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sign
p on winderz), then there's
no telling if it was or wasn't. One of those things is quite a bit not
like the other.
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raud department calls you domain
registar.
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On 2017-10-16 23:27, mailbox.org wrote:
Thank you Steve!
Now I understand it is not all bad. Just the way that AOIL and YAHOO went about
it (or something like that).
It's not bad, only it's mostly useless for human people like you and I.
What good it does is mostly for google-person and yaho
On 10/10/2017 05:10 PM, p...@tokyoprogressive.org wrote:
>> Can you give me your opinion. Is it Yahoo that is breaking mailing lists, or
>> is it Yahoo, Gmail and Hotmail?
All of the above.
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ut all these years your
PHP installation has today.
Film at 11.
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On 2017-10-03 10:01, Phil Stracchino wrote:
One thing to be said for Django is that at least it doesn't pull in PHP.
You have to admit though, php scripts from 10 years ago still work.
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On 10/02/2017 02:54 PM, tlhackque via Mailman-Users wrote:
...
> From your comments on this thread, Mailman V3 will not (yet) meet your
> expectations.
Mailman 3 doesn't seem to be available from my distro vendor.
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On 10/02/2017 02:50 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
> On 10/02/2017 12:22 PM, Dimitri Maziuk wrote:
...
>>> Sep 25 15:53:57 2017 (7782) smtp to
>>> XXX for 1 recips, completed in 0.081 seconds
>> ...
>>> Sep 25 15:59:06 2017 (7782) smtp to XXX
>>> for 1 r
addresses I can subscribe through the web interface?
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27;ll take zero time to process an uploaded list of
an unknown size, and that did precisely what ass-u-me always does. No
surprises there, unfortunately.
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ss sub
and ends there. To my uneducated eye it looks like smtp transactions
haven't even started until the subscription's gone about halfway through
and presumably aborted.
Anyway, this is getting academic. What I wanted to know was is it dead
or is it still doing something behind t
On 2017-10-01 17:50, Mark Sapiro wrote:
On October 1, 2017 3:34:29 PM PDT, Dimitri Maziuk wrote:
So I don't get it, are you saying that is *was* aborted after the CGI
timed out?
Yes.
OK, thanks. Now I get to draft 3,500 apologies and then resubscribe
everyone except the couple of p
On 2017-10-01 22:23, Carl Zwanzig wrote:
On 9/29/2017 11:34 AM, Dimitri Maziuk wrote:
(mailman 2.1.12 on centos 6.9)
I don't think that Mark mentioned it, but 2.1.12 is -painfully- old (as
is centos 6.9) and centos packages often lag way behind the
corresponding source versions.
I
ou saying that is *was* aborted after the CGI
timed out?
Or are you following on my "if something happens to interrupt it"? -- it
was a hypothetical question about checkpointing and keeping state during
long long-running tasks.
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On 09/30/2017 05:19 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
> On 09/30/2017 02:31 PM, Dimitri Maziuk wrote:
..
> It's in progress as far as you're concerned, but not as far as Mailman
> is concerned. As far as Mailman is concerned, some users were sent
> welcome messages, but no one has b
gs.
Going through postfix log trying to spot an address that looks like it
may be from the list is rather inconvenient.
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On 2017-09-30 13:15, Mark Sapiro wrote:
The process is
subscribing the members one at a time. This will send a welcome as each
user is subscribed, but the updated list configuration is not saved
until the process is complete. Thus, if it's interrupted prior to
completion, the list is not actuall
etries and bounces before it updates the subscriber list? Or has it
failed and I need to re-do the whole thing?
I see some of those addresses in the logs so it looks like it's the
former. If it is, is there any way to monitor mailman's progress?
(mailman 2.1.12 on centos 6.9)
Thanks in
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