Re: [mailop] Gmail blocking of good customer

2023-02-25 Thread Benny Pedersen via mailop
Christine Borgia via mailop skrev den 2023-02-24 21:57: It is transient, but they are blocks and are not retried. Weird, right? proff from logs is ? others say this ip is not google but sendgrid simple "mailq" will show it ___ mailop mailing list

Re: [mailop] Gmail blocking of good customer

2023-02-25 Thread Benny Pedersen via mailop
Simon Greenwood via mailop skrev den 2023-02-24 22:09: This (which I didn't know) adds a whole different aspect to the issue - much has been said about how email is now centralised and is almost impractical to run as a small operator level, but if a company like Shopify and indeed Sendgrid can't

Re: [mailop] Gmail blocking of good customer

2023-02-25 Thread Benny Pedersen via mailop
Matt Palmer via mailop skrev den 2023-02-25 01:01: [Fixed TOFU] On Fri, Feb 24, 2023 at 03:57:00PM -0500, Christine Borgia via mailop wrote: On Fri, Feb 24, 2023 at 1:09 PM Benny Pedersen via mailop wrote: > Christine Borgia via mailop skrev den 2023-02-24 17:17: > > >>> 421 4.7.0 [149.72.9

Re: [mailop] Gmail blocking of good customer

2023-02-25 Thread Simon Greenwood via mailop
On 25/02/2023 12:32, Benny Pedersen via mailop wrote: Simon Greenwood via mailop skrev den 2023-02-24 22:09: This (which I didn't know) adds a whole different aspect to the issue - much has been said about how email is now centralised and is almost impractical to run as a small operator level,

Re: [mailop] Gmail blocking of good customer

2023-02-25 Thread Michael Orlitzky via mailop
On Fri, 2023-02-24 at 15:57 -0500, Christine Borgia via mailop wrote: > It is transient, but they are blocks and are not retried. Weird, right? > SendGrid doesn't retry on 4xx and haven't for many years. ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https:

Re: [mailop] Gmail blocking of good customer

2023-02-25 Thread Jaroslaw Rafa via mailop
Dnia 24.02.2023 o godz. 09:51:02 Mark Milhollan via mailop pisze: > Did you read the link? Does your ESP have a postmaster account? If > they don't send enough messages ("a large volume") to Gmail they > won't provide any information about reputation, except that that > itself indicates that you

Re: [mailop] Gmail actually not blocking of good customer

2023-02-25 Thread John Levine via mailop
It appears that Michael Orlitzky via mailop said: >On Fri, 2023-02-24 at 15:57 -0500, Christine Borgia via mailop wrote: >> It is transient, but they are blocks and are not retried. Weird, right? >> > >SendGrid doesn't retry on 4xx and haven't for many years. I think we have identified the probl

Re: [mailop] Gmail blocking of good customer

2023-02-25 Thread Luke via mailop
I can assure you sendgrid retries 4xx. We also don't retry 4xx. We also retry 5xx. We also don't retry 5xx. How is it 2023 and people still think 4xx means retry and 5xx means don't retry? Luke On Sat, Feb 25, 2023, 9:21 AM Michael Orlitzky via mailop wrote: > On Fri, 2023-02-24 at 15:57 -0500,

[mailop] Convio?

2023-02-25 Thread rs--- via mailop
Hi, If anybody from Convio is on this list, please ping me. This related to some issues you're having with sending. Thanks! -Ryan, Proofpoint___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://list.mailop.org/listinfo/mailop

Re: [mailop] Gmail blocking of good customer

2023-02-25 Thread Benny Pedersen via mailop
Luke via mailop skrev den 2023-02-26 04:15: I can assure you sendgrid retries 4xx. We also don't retry 4xx. We also retry 5xx. We also don't retry 5xx. How is it 2023 and people still think 4xx means retry and 5xx means don't retry? what books do you read ? maybe rfc 7505 is soon or later for

Re: [mailop] Gmail blocking of good customer

2023-02-25 Thread Evan Burke via mailop
There's a lot of variation in what 4xx and 5xx mean in practice. This means there's room for some senders to spend time investigating and understanding what each receiving domain's 4xx and 5xx (and subcategories thereof) actually mean for address delivery over time, and for designing rules and poli