Re: [mailop] What do other ISP / ESP do about the MailChimp spam problem?

2018-11-10 Thread Klaus Ethgen
Am Fr den 9. Nov 2018 um 23:34 schrieb Matthias Leisi: > According to dnswl.org magnitude data*, Mailchimp is one > of the large sources of email, just behind Microsoft/Google, and ahead of > Amazon, Sendgrid, Facebook, ExactTarget, Yahoo, LinkedIn and Twitter. Well, in the

Re: [mailop] What do other ISP / ESP do about the MailChimp spam problem?

2018-11-09 Thread Matthias Leisi
>> My question is, "What Mailchimp spam problem?" Where's data? All I see >> is useless bombastic complaining that belongs on NANAE or SPAM-L, not >> here. > > Ok, there is a point here which I did not consider enough. > > I did not collect any numbers about emails send by mailchimp to our > ema

Re: [mailop] What do other ISP / ESP do about the MailChimp spam problem?

2018-11-08 Thread Benoit Panizzon
Hi Al > My question is, "What Mailchimp spam problem?" Where's data? All I see > is useless bombastic complaining that belongs on NANAE or SPAM-L, not > here. Ok, there is a point here which I did not consider enough. I did not collect any numbers about emails send by mailchimp to our email plat

Re: [mailop] What do other ISP / ESP do about the MailChimp spam problem?

2018-11-07 Thread Matthew Grove via mailop
Hi, this has been a great discussion from all sides. I’m probably too biased to weigh in on the original question, but we do listen to all the input and feedback here. Without getting too into the weeds, a few details and information gaps have surfaced that I hope to be able to clarify. You can fi

Re: [mailop] What do other ISP / ESP do about the MailChimp spam problem?

2018-11-07 Thread Vladimir Dubrovin via mailop
06.11.2018 21:15, Michael Peddemors пишет: > Like any organization, when the volume of unwanted exceeds the volume > of wanted, you flag them... and let customers 'This is not junk' the > ones they want. It means having the rule with up to 50% of false negatives. If we use rules like this we have

Re: [mailop] What do other ISP / ESP do about the MailChimp spam problem?

2018-11-07 Thread Klaus Ethgen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hi, Am Mi den 7. Nov 2018 um 9:53 schrieb Benjamin BILLON: > > how big the IP space is > I can't say; they used other ranges back in 2009, but that can legitimately > evolve over the years Values I have from 3 years ago: #198.2.128.0/24 #198.2.1

Re: [mailop] What do other ISP / ESP do about the MailChimp spam problem?

2018-11-07 Thread Benjamin BILLON
m Chinese IPs, and you just can't do that if you're not from there. Cheers, -- Benjamin -Original Message- From: Michael Peddemors Sent: mardi 6 novembre 2018 20:22 To: Benjamin BILLON ; mailop@mailop.org Subject: Re: [mailop] What do other ISP / ESP do about the MailChimp sp

Re: [mailop] What do other ISP / ESP do about the MailChimp spam problem?

2018-11-06 Thread Brandon Long via mailop
If they have both bad and good mail, perhaps your system needs better discrimination between the two over something like "blacklist the entire ESP"? I mean, we all want spam and spammers to go away, but at the end of the day, what you care about is making sure your users get the mail they want and

Re: [mailop] What do other ISP / ESP do about the MailChimp spam problem?

2018-11-06 Thread Philip Paeps
On 2018-11-06 03:53:47 (-0800), Benoit Panizzon wrote: We again face problems with services by MailChimp. Their platform is equally fashioned by serious companies sending permission based newsletters and by very persistent repetitive spamer. In my experience, MailChimp is quite good about res

Re: [mailop] What do other ISP / ESP do about the MailChimp spam problem?

2018-11-06 Thread Michael Peddemors
: mailop@mailop.org Subject: Re: [mailop] What do other ISP / ESP do about the MailChimp spam problem? Like any organization, when the volume of unwanted exceeds the volume of wanted, you flag them... and let customers 'This is not junk' the ones they want. Only way around this conun

Re: [mailop] What do other ISP / ESP do about the MailChimp spam problem?

2018-11-06 Thread Benjamin BILLON
s --or laws? -- Benjamin -Original Message- From: mailop On Behalf Of Michael Peddemors Sent: mardi 6 novembre 2018 19:15 To: mailop@mailop.org Subject: Re: [mailop] What do other ISP / ESP do about the MailChimp spam problem? Like any organization, when the volume of unwanted exceeds the volume

Re: [mailop] What do other ISP / ESP do about the MailChimp spam problem?

2018-11-06 Thread Michael Peddemors
Like any organization, when the volume of unwanted exceeds the volume of wanted, you flag them... and let customers 'This is not junk' the ones they want. Only way around this conundrum is to empower your users. And while we also see they abuse problem, as pointed out they aren't the worst..

Re: [mailop] What do other ISP / ESP do about the MailChimp spam problem?

2018-11-06 Thread Al Iverson
re falling short, it's far more productive to > brainstorm how you could mutually help each fix the problem. > > > ____________________ > From: mailop on behalf of Steve Atkins > > Sent: Tuesday, November 6, 2018 8:04 AM > To: mailop > Subject: Re: [mail

Re: [mailop] What do other ISP / ESP do about the MailChimp spam problem?

2018-11-06 Thread David Carriger
storm how you could mutually help each fix the problem. From: mailop on behalf of Steve Atkins Sent: Tuesday, November 6, 2018 8:04 AM To: mailop Subject: Re: [mailop] What do other ISP / ESP do about the MailChimp spam problem? > On Nov 6, 2018, at 2:42 PM, Rena

Re: [mailop] What do other ISP / ESP do about the MailChimp spam problem?

2018-11-06 Thread Steve Atkins
> On Nov 6, 2018, at 2:42 PM, Renaud Allard via mailop > wrote: > > > > On 11/6/18 3:02 PM, Charles McKean wrote: >> If you had any honest question here, you got it wrong by laying on the >> insult and making leading statements. Since you are acting like a >> troll, I think we should treat y

Re: [mailop] What do other ISP / ESP do about the MailChimp spam problem?

2018-11-06 Thread Renaud Allard via mailop
On 11/6/18 3:02 PM, Charles McKean wrote: If you had any honest question here, you got it wrong by laying on the insult and making leading statements. Since you are acting like a troll, I think we should treat you like a troll and tell you to go away. I get so many spams, but I have not gotten

Re: [mailop] What do other ISP / ESP do about the MailChimp spam problem?

2018-11-06 Thread Charles McKean
If you had any honest question here, you got it wrong by laying on the insult and making leading statements. Since you are acting like a troll, I think we should treat you like a troll and tell you to go away. I get so many spams, but I have not gotten a spam from a Mailchimp customer for as long

[mailop] What do other ISP / ESP do about the MailChimp spam problem?

2018-11-06 Thread Benoit Panizzon
Hi List We again face problems with services by MailChimp. Their platform is equally fashioned by serious companies sending permission based newsletters and by very persistent repetitive spamer. They repeatedly get blacklisted on our platform, because of recipient complaints. Then repeatedly cu