Rob, Jim ...
None of this is particularly related to mail ops.
Cheers,
Steve
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On 1/10/2019 12:00 PM, Jim Popovitch via mailop wrote:
> At the very least, it is a suspicious practice. And certain people
> high up in the industry have strongly warned me against ever doing
> ANYTHING like that
Clearly that is a stated "dislike" of an entity's practice.
Your
On Thu, 2019-01-10 at 11:37 -0500, Rob McEwen wrote:
> On 1/10/2019 10:44 AM, Jim Popovitch via mailop wrote:
> > you are de-valuing mine,
>
> Actually, your opinion about these organizations was important and
> noteworthy. if someone has a conflict of interest, it *is* helpful to
> get feedback
On 1/10/2019 10:44 AM, Jim Popovitch via mailop wrote:
you are de-valuing mine,
Actually, your opinion about these organizations was important and
noteworthy. if someone has a conflict of interest, it *is* helpful to
get feedback indicating that such an entity is reported to be operating
On Thu, 2019-01-10 at 09:33 -0500, Rob McEwen wrote:
> ... [snip] ...
>
> So I'll stop here and quit before I put my foot in my mouth!
But ya didn't, did ya?
Look dude, everybody has opinions. You are de-valuing mine, strictly
because I have a biz agreement with some entity you dislike.
On 1/10/2019 9:33 AM, Rob McEwen wrote:
is basically to say, "but how do you know for sure that the person
isn't giving in to competing interests or is compromised? and how dare
you question their judgment!" (to summarize your arguments)
oops - "double negative" typo - I meant to say:
is
On 1/8/2019 5:16 PM, Jim Popovitch via mailop wrote:
I also see an issue where you probably shouldn't criticize
another DNSBL unless you have data that they are misstating why and how
they collect fees for their efforts
Jim,
My focus was always on "best practices" and principles - and I
On 01/08/2019 02:36 PM, Rob McEwen wrote:
I get offers OFTEN from those who had been blacklisted by invaluement,
where they ask, "Rob, can we pay you to up us set up our system better
so that we won't have the kind of security breaches that caused us to
get blacklisted?" (and then I kindly
On Tue, 2019-01-08 at 16:36 -0500, Rob McEwen wrote:
> On 1/8/2019 4:26 PM, Jim Popovitch via mailop wrote:
> > Any value greater than a reasonable amount to provide a
> > communications
> > portal, and actual communications with, the entity requesting the
> > de-
> > listing.
>
> Jim,
> I get
On 1/8/2019 4:26 PM, Jim Popovitch via mailop wrote:
Any value greater than a reasonable amount to provide a communications
portal, and actual communications with, the entity requesting the de-
listing.
Jim,
I get offers OFTEN from those who had been blacklisted by invaluement,
where they
On Tue, 2019-01-08 at 18:03 +, Olaf Petry - Hornetsecurity wrote:
> > > If the barrier had been $1000, then sure
> > > I would have said "it's extortion", but it wasn't.
>
> Where does the extortion barrier start in your opinion? 1000, 500,
> 100, 20 or 1 Buck?
Any value greater than a
On 01/08/2019 11:33 AM, Michael Peddemors wrote:
We have long been planning on a IPv6 MTA registry, where those wanting
to run MTA's on IPv6 could register as a certified operator, eg. a
legitimate party with proper abuse contacts etc..
Okay. I question how large the value is in that.
I say
However, another take on this..
We have long been planning on a IPv6 MTA registry, where those wanting
to run MTA's on IPv6 could register as a certified operator, eg. a
legitimate party with proper abuse contacts etc..
DNSBL on IPv4 works well enough, but for the IPv6 size, it is more
On 1/8/2019 12:43 PM, Jim Popovitch via mailop wrote:
For everyone who says "extortion" is it not
legitimate to question their motives for saying so? Let me be clear,
the folks that I hear make the extortion claim, all provide competitive
offerings or sell fee-based deliverability consulting
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On Tue, 2019-01-08 at 12:04 -0500, Rob McEwen wrote:
> On 1/8/2019 11:46 AM, Jim Popovitch via mailop wrote:
> > The same has been said about HTML emails...but that hasn't stopped
> > folks from using them.;-)
>
> "apples to oranges" comparison - sort of like saying it is ok to
> cheat on your
On 1/8/2019 11:46 AM, Jim Popovitch via mailop wrote:
The same has been said about HTML emails...but that hasn't stopped
folks from using them.;-)
"apples to oranges" comparison - sort of like saying it is ok to cheat
on your taxes because some people drive 5 miles above the speed limit.
On Tue, 2019-01-08 at 11:26 -0500, Rob McEwen wrote:
> On 1/8/2019 10:26 AM, Jim Popovitch via mailop wrote:
> > > Which spammer would not pay that fee if they would be interested
> > > to
> > > get whitelisted?
> >
> > That's not how it works, and frankly you should know that as a
> > security
>
On Tue, 2019-01-08 at 15:06 +, Olaf Petry - Hornetsecurity wrote:
> > > the $$ is to validate the responsible entity behind a sending
> > > domain that is whitelisted
>
>
> You are kidding, don't you?
No I am not kidding.
> Which spammer would not pay that fee if they would be interested
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On Tue, 2019-01-08 at 13:56 +, Mathieu Bourdin wrote:
> Wasnt that the paying "service"? I think remember something like 20$
> for getting delisted for each IP or domain.
Yep, that's $20 per year. The $$ isn't to fund their vacations or
service, the $$ is to validate the responsible entity
t be mistaken though, it was like 4
or 5 years ago.
Mathieu Bourdin.
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Objet : Re: [mailop] emailreg.org is down
> On Jan 8, 2019, at 11:53 AM, David Jones via mai
Anyone on this list know if this site is worth registration? One of our mail
servers was listed on Barracuda BRBL which recommended to sign up with
emailreg.org.
http://www.emailreg.org/index.cgi?p=register
Dave Jones
Education Networks of America
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