[Marxism] Karl Marx, Theory of Justice and Moral Philosophy (for Turkish readers)

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[Marxism] Immanuel Kant: Observations on the Feeling of the Beautiful and the Sublime

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Re: [Marxism] The Armenian Genocide and the Question of Turkish Responsibility: Time to Call a Genocide a Genocide

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[Marxism] Classical Turkish Music

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Re: [Marxism] Trotsky lives -- Paul Le Blanc reviews RobertService's biography.

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Re: [Marxism] Trotsky lives -- Paul Le Blanc reviews Robert Service's biography.

== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == A short review of Domenico Losurdo's book on Stalin is below: *Stalin. **Story and

Re: [Marxism] Trotsky lives -- Paul Le Blanc reviews Robert Service's biography.

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Re: [Marxism] Trotsky lives -- Paul Le Blanc reviews Robert Service's biography.

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Re: [Marxism] Moderator's note #2

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Re: [Marxism] Best Candidates Suggest Themselves

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Re: [Marxism] Moderator's note

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Re: [Marxism] Best Candidates Suggest Themselves

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Re: [Marxism] Moderator's note

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[Marxism] Fwd: Dismiss the liberal Dogan from MarxMail list

...@gmail.com below. Dogan -- Forwarded message -- From: Dogan Gocmen Date: 2009/12/27 Subject: Re: Dismiss the liberal Dogan from MarxMail list To: ok.president+n...@gmail.com 2009/12/27 Ruthless Critic of All that Exists > "Dismiss the liberal Dogan from MarxMail lis

[Marxism] Fwd: Dismiss the liberal Dogan from MarxMail list

alism at least since 1890s as already Rosa Luxemburg indicated. Dogan -- Forwarded message -- From: Mark A. Lause Date: 2009/12/27 Subject: Re: Dismiss the liberal Dogan from MarxMail list To: ok.president+n...@gmail.com , Dogan Gocmen He's not a liberal. He's CP. A

[Marxism] Fwd: Dismiss the liberal Dogan from MarxMail list

-- From: Ruthless Critic of All that Exists > Date: 2009/12/27 Subject: Dismiss the liberal Dogan from MarxMail list To: "Mark A. Lause" , Dogan Gocmen < dgn.g...@googlemail.com> Mark Lause wrote: "For Dogan, this criterion is a settled question and requires n

[Marxism] Fwd: Dismiss the liberal Dogan from MarxMail list

courageous enough to send it to the mailing list.I am forwarding it. In the next email I will forward my reply. Dogan -- Forwarded message -- From: Ruthless Critic of All that Exists > Date: 2009/12/27 Subject: Dismiss the liberal Dogan from MarxMail list To: "Mark A. Lause&

Re: [Marxism] Communist Party backs Senate health care "reform" bill

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Re: [Marxism] Communist Party backs Senate health care "reform" bill

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Re: [Marxism] Communist Party backs Senate health care "reform" bill

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Re: [Marxism] Communist Party backs Senate health care "reform" bill

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Re: [Marxism] Communist Party backs Senate health care "reform" bill

== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == 2009/12/26 Jim Farmelant "(here on this list by people like Dogan) that cite the Pa

Re: [Marxism] Communist Party backs Senate health care "reform" bill

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Re: [Marxism] The CP is Still Ga-Ga

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Re: [Marxism] The CP is Still Ga-Ga

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Re: [Marxism] The CP is Still Ga-Ga

== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == New Times, New Opportunities Sam Webb, National Chair, CPUSA National Committee Meet

Re: [Marxism] The CP is still ga-ga

== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == There were some five replies to my last posts. Let me reply to them collectively by

Re: [Marxism] The CP is still ga-ga

== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == 2009/12/18 Mark Lause markala...@gmail.com: "It supports ruling class parties. It

Re: [Marxism] The CPUSA is still ga-ga

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Re: [Marxism] The CPUSA is still ga-ga

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Re: [Marxism] The CPUSA is still ga-ga

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Re: [Marxism] The CPUSA is still ga-ga

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Re: [Marxism] The CPUSA is still ga-ga

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Re: [Marxism] Marx on ancient families

== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == This seems to be useful as well.Doğan http://www.helium.com/items/118196-roman-fam

Re: [Marxism] Marx on ancient families

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[Marxism] A lesson from Seattle for Copenhagen by Patrick Bond

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[Marxism] German Democratic Republic against Racism , Apartheid and Colonialism (a reminder)

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[Marxism] Same-sex rights in East Germany

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Re: [Marxism] Come back Karl

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Re: [Marxism] Another side of the Berlin Wall

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Re: [Marxism] Come back Karl

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[Marxism] Another side of the Berlin Wall

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Re: [Marxism] Come back Karl

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Re: [Marxism] Kant's Observations on the Feeling of the Beautiful and Sublime

Dear Michael, I thank you very much for the thoughts and references below. They are very useful indeed. Yours, Doğan 2009/10/30 Michael Perelman > I am not sure this will be useful, but I hope so: > > Sohn-Rethel, Alfred. 1978. Intellectual and Manual Labour: A Critique of > Epistemology (Londo

Re: [Marxism] Prospects for a new South African Left Party

This is going to be more a social democratic party than a new revolutionary party. To justify why they need a new party they need to say something more and programmatic than just that they are "leading an initiative to establish a new left political party in South Africa because of the dissatisfact

[Marxism] Classical Political Economy, Ethics, Metaphysics and Knowledge-Based Economy

The term Knowledge Economy (KE) or Knowledge Based Economy (KBE) is used in a loose way to refer to the researches, developments and economic activities in Information and Communication Technology. In recent years many other terms have been invented and many others will follow to describe similar d

Re: [Marxism] Martin Heidegger, Nazism and Philosophy (for Turkish readers)

Louis, thanks again for pointing out your essay to me. I read it. Warm and insightful anecdotes. Thanks again. Dogan Göcmen (http://dogangocmen.wordpress.com/) Author of The Adam Smith Problem: Reconciling Human Nature and Society in The Theory of Moral Sentiments and Wealth of Nations, I. B.

Re: [Marxism] Martin Heidegger, Nazism and Philosophy (for Turkish readers)

Dear Louis, thank you very much for your references. Doğan 2009/10/23 Louis Proyect > Dogan Gocmen wrote: > > Uzun yıllardan sonra Türkiye felsefecileri (ve genel olarak aydınları) > > arasındaki sohbet ve tartışmalara yakından kulak misafiri olduğumda, > Martin > &g

Re: [Marxism] Turkey: Final Version?

Pat, thank you very much for sharing your observations. I think I do not have to add to this much. Just one point Marx and Engels did pay a lot of attention to the issues within a state-owned system. Therefore Engels conclusion that it was not the final solution. Pease look at what Marx says about

Re: [Marxism] Turkey: Final Version?

Michael, lets discuss all these issues in Turkey. We will have almost one week, so enough time to exchange the results of our research. I will have the onlie version of Smith's work and correspondence with me. I am looking forward to seeing you in few days in Turkey. -- Dogan Göcmen (http://dog

[Marxism] Adam Smith and Communism

"What did the other Scottish philosophers have to say concerning alienation? What did Hume have to say on the subject? BTW can you give some references as to where Smith describes the possibility of communism?" Jim, thank you very much for your questions. I am not sure whether I can and shall an

Re: [Marxism] Turkey: Final Version?

Pat, you are raising here en issue that in my view refers to a point that is in all theories of socialism, including that of Marx and Engels, most contravercial and at the same time weakest one. However I think this is not a mere issue of theory. The question how to run an economy that is controll

Re: [Marxism] Turkey: Final Version?

Pat, can you please say a bit more? Thank you, -- Dogan Göcmen (http://dogangocmen.wordpress.com/) Author of The Adam Smith Problem: Reconciling Human Nature and Society in The Theory of Moral Sentiments and Wealth of Nations, I. B. Tauris, London&New York 2007 ___

Re: [Marxism] Turkey: Final Version?

As to alienation issue: it is an issue raised by all classical Scottish philosophers including Adam Smith. However as George Lukacs has shown it became a conservative concept in the 20th century. The concept the Marxists have to start with is not alienation (no longer). Rather they have to start wi

Re: [Marxism] Turkey: Final Version?

I think the question in relation Smith is not honesty or dishonesty. This is a subjective approach. We should reject the dishonest picture of Adam Smith that has been presented to us by Neoliberlas. Remember that along with Hegel's Smith work is one of the most important source and compenent part o

Re: [Marxism] Germany's Die Linke shows the way for the left

"The Partei Die Linke shows the way forward? Well, yes, back into bourgeois politics." A very good point. In my view this party is not a left wing party at all, because it says "yes to wage labour not to cheap labour." What is left in this statement? It does a good job for bourgeosie to integrate

Re: [Marxism] political economy-- errata

The peculiar historical development of German society therefore forbids, in that country, all original work in bourgeois economy; but not the criticism of that economy. So far as such criticism represents a class, it can only represent the class whose vocation in history is the overthrow of the cap

Re: [Marxism] political economy-- errata

The conference held in Turkey/Kocaeli (nearby İstanbul) is the first annual conference of the series of conferences to be organised under the general heading of *International Congress of Political Economy*. Next year's conference might be on Keynes, Marx and crisis. This is not definit yet. (ple

Re: [Marxism] Marx/Hegel

In the evet of WW I Lenin went and studied Hegel's logic. Marx has to be studied with his sources: philosophical, political economic, political and so on. Historical approach that Marx higly valued applies laso to the study of Marx. Dogan Göcmen (http://dogangocmen.wordpress.com/) Author of Th

Re: [Marxism] A Different Environmental Threat: Peak Rare Minerals, China, and Green Technology

I got it Michael, it is on the front page of your web site. - Dogan Göcmen (http://dogangocmen.wordpress.com/) Author of The Adam Smith Problem: Reconciling Human Nature and Society in The Theory of Moral Sentiments and Wealth of Nations, I. B. Tauris, London&New York 2007

Re: [Marxism] A Different Environmental Threat: Peak Rare Minerals, China, and Green Technology

Hi Michael, This is what comes up when I click on the link you gave: "You are not allowed to edit this post." --- Dogan Göcmen (http://dogangocmen.wordpress.com/) Author of The Adam Smith Problem: Reconciling Human Nature and Society in The Theory of Moral Sentiments and Wealth of Nations, I. B

Re: [Marxism] Interesting China article

I usually like comrade Fuwa Tetsuzo. But the statement below is one of those which I do not share. Study for example the situation and the role of women in soviet society and compare it with any comparable capitalist society. When I visited some years ago Russia I attended a lecture on the situatio

Re: [Marxism] Interesting China article

> http://www.zmag.org/znet/viewArticle/22515 > > "Nonetheless, China's historic leap from oblivion into one of the top 21st century economies and its impressive results from recent stimulus initiatives both vividly illustrate the basic superiority of a centralized rational investment plan, even one

Re: [Marxism] Reasons to Read the Grundrisse (was "to read")

"No, the proper translation from German would be "About the critique of political economy", or "On the critique of political economy"" Well, "on" is one meaning of "Zur". In that case it begs the question why Marx did not put simply 'Über die Kritik der politischen Ökonomie'. As you know "Zur" is

Re: [Marxism] Reasons to Read the Grundrisse (was "to read")

Marx's project for the critique of political economy must be taken as a whole. It starts with his first work *Zur Kritik der politischen Ökonomie* which properly translated means To the Critique of Political Economy. Then follows by *Grundrisse der Kritik der politischen Ökonomie* which properly tr

Re: [Marxism] (Keep your cold and analytical hands off my orgasms please) was: Another forward from Rosa L. - Analytic Marxsim

Rosa L. makes claims and, on the contrary to any reasonable philosopher, does not give any reason. She says dialectical philosophy is conservative. This is fine. But expects me to prove the contrary. Why shall I do her job? She is the one to give reason, not me to prove the contrary. So if she want

Re: [Marxism] Forward from Rosa Lichtenstein on Analytic Marxism

"In which case, I'm in good company, since no one knows what it 'is about' -- or if they do, they have kept that secret well hidden for 200 years." Hidden to her as she is not able to see the revolutionary force of dialectic. To mention another Rosa, Rosa Luxemburg describes the dialectic as the '

Re: [Marxism] Forward from Rosa Lichtenstein on Analytic Marxism

Jim, do you think it is worth to think about this: "If anything, it's dialecticians who are the conservatives, since they are quite happy to ape the dogmatic and a priori thought-forms of traditional philosophy." I am sorry to say tha but I guess she does not know what dialectic is about. ---

Re: [Marxism] Moderator's note

"who gives a shit about this stuff? my grandfather fought these fights and he's long since dead and gone 40+ years ago." On the one hand I agree that we have to fight our fights. On the other hand our history is part of our present and if we want to make the future we have to learn from our past i

Re: [Marxism] Moderator's note

are real debates if they involve 'public'. 2009/8/13 Dogan Gocmen > I agree with Mark that Stalin-Trotsky debatte is a distinct debate from the > debate on the historical role of the Soviet Union before, during and after > the WW II. But these two debates can hardly be separa

Re: [Marxism] Moderator's note

I agree with Mark that Stalin-Trotsky debatte is a distinct debate from the debate on the historical role of the Soviet Union before, during and after the WW II. But these two debates can hardly be separated and do not think it is settled at all as we just start thinking about the issues involved f

Re: [Marxism] Moderator's note

"Jscotlive loses his posting privileges until September 1." I protest emphatically as he has the right to defend against dishonest claims and falsifications. The debate was coming to its end any way. The post by Sartesian has provoked these responses. He simply could have made his point by address

Re: [Marxism] Request to the moderator

"I believe Mark Lause said it properly when he wrote that he has never been so disgusted by a discussion on this list. I think that's right, but if I have it wrong, my apologies to Mark, but the discussion on the list still ranks as perhaps the most disgusting.. This discussion has seen a "defen

Re: [Marxism] Rape is not necessarily a consequence of war

"The Great Patriotic War" this expression has been referred to many times, probabily as a critique of the strategy of the Soviet Union. Below there is a passage from Engels' Speeches in Ebersfelde in which he ackonledges this. From various writings and letters of Marx and Engels I know that they r

Re: [Marxism] Hiroshima and Nagasaki

I am sorry for spaming you. This is my last post today. I finally found the English translation of the poem by Nazım Hikmet: *The Dead Little Girl* - Nazim Hikmet It is me knocking at your door - at how many doors i've been But no one can see me Since the dead are invisible. I died at Hiroshima

Re: [Marxism] Hiroshima and Nagasaki

And on this link you can listen to Nazım Hikmet reading out his peom and John Beaz singing the song. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3I4OnAuZIo -- Dogan Göcmen (http://dogangocmen.wordpress.com/) Author of The Adam Smith Problem: Reconciling Human Nature and Society in The Theory of Moral Sentim

Re: [Marxism] Hiroshima and Nagasaki

At the link below there is the song on Hiroshima. It is based on Nazım Hikmet's poem "little Girl". It was originally composed by Zülfi Livaneli but it is sung by John Beaz. As it is on facebook I do not whether you can get to the link but thought I should share it with you. http://www.facebook.co

Re: [Marxism] R

Fred, I will stick to what the Moderator recommended: end of the debate unless there some new arguments or evidences. The point is to remain comrades despite the differences. I have never entered the Stalin-Trotsky-debate simply because I think they had their problems and fought their fights and we

Re: [Marxism] Totalitarism/Rape?World War II Re: Dogan Gocmen

2009/8/6 lara crete > > Dear friend ,I have noticed and am listening to your voice in this > list for quite a long time. Always a pleasure to hear it through this > honorable and mostly harmonious choir. Thank you for your last post > on violence. As to the movie I described as "The Women's Re

Re: [Marxism] Violence

I am not sure whether I was thinking of this passage. Let me check. -- Dogan Göcmen (http://dogangocmen.wordpress.com/) Author of The Adam Smith Problem: Reconciling Human Nature and Society in The Theory of Moral Sentiments and Wealth of Nations, I. B. Tauris, London&New York 2007 ___

[Marxism] Violence

This a short paper of mine, which produced some years ago: *Theories of Violence* It is almost impossible to provide a satisfactory definition of violence for all times and circumstances. Violence has many forms and varies according to contexts and circumstances. Its boundaries are fluid and it

Re: [Marxism] Totalitarism/Rape/World War II

Lara, thank you very much for this. I have not seen them yet, but will do soon. Here is a short article by me, describing how October Revolution and Soviet Union played an emancipatory role in national liberation movements before and after the WWII. It is in German: *"Die Oktoberrevolution hat fü

Re: [Marxism] Totalitarianism and Mass Rape

"Please comrades, learn some deep appreciation of what the world suffered from fascism and forget arguing about what might have been if some of the political struggles in the Soviet Union had concluded differently. The Soviet Union survived the greatest war in history - and saved us all." Dear Pa

Re: [Marxism] Red Army and rape

2009/8/5 S. Artesian > This is the point where the discussion becomes more than inane; it becomes > downright oppressive. > > In this debate I said everything I can contribute and I think generally that everything is said what is to be said. - Dogan Göcmen (http://dogangocmen.wordpress.com/)

Re: [Marxism] Totalitarianism and dancing corpses

2009/8/5 "There were a good many mistakes, and a great deal of tragedy in the world's first attempt to construct a socialist state. It is important to study that record seriously and understand it for what it was, and what it was not." This is exactly what needs to be done bur never buy in the a

Re: [Marxism] Red Army and rape

2009/8/5 Bhaskar Sunkara Aren't you purists forgetting what the Nazis did to Soviet womanhood George "Why is that relevant?" This is relevant because every soldier in the Red Army suffered from the loss of his relatives either by rape or otherwise by Nazis. -- Dogan Göcmen

Re: [Marxism] Totalitarianism and Mass Rape

"This does not mean Satanizing Stalin or the USSR. But we should accept that on the POLITICAL side, the war was waged as a war of revenge against the German people not as a war of liberation from Fascism AND capitalism." Everything you say is accepted except the point above. I want to see evidenc

Re: [Marxism] "Totalitarianism"

Mark, the claims you put forward against Soviet Union are products of Western secret and inteligent services. If you are not able to argue based on historical documents leave it there. This rubish you express I can read anywhere in bourgeois media. Soviet Union have not just freed humanity from fas

Re: [Marxism] "Totalitarianism"

"the Soviet Union definitely defeated Germany" You see, no one in the Soviet Union after the defeat of fascism said that they defeated Germany. They clearly differentiated between fascism and its basis on the one hand and German people on the other. They did not want to humiliate Germans but extin

Re: [Marxism] Monthly Review's past articles on Iran

The problem we are expressing and the point we seem to miss in this thread probably this: there is no third front which we may support without any remorse and difficulty. We had the same problem with the invasion of Iraq. Lenin asserts in his book on imperialism that in the age of imperialism no co

Re: [Marxism] post

There is an insightful Article by Domenico Losurdo, entitled *Toward a Critique of the Category of Totalitarianism*, in «Historical Materialism», no. 12, 2 (2004), pp. 25-55. This may help to leave behind all those vulgarisms. -- Dogan Göcmen (http://dogangocmen.wordpress.com/) Author of The Ad

[Marxism] The Nature and Paradoxes of Freedom

Dear All, a draft paper by İsmail Şiriner and me is available now. Comments are always welcome... "The Nature and Paradoxes of Freedom Freedom is a powerful Idea. As a concept, combined with equality and fraternity, it was the forceful ideal drive for a series of revolutions in Europe and