Re: [Marxism] Germany's Die Linke shows the way for the left

Einde O'Callaghan (eind...@freenet.de) wrote on 2009-09-21 at 17:20:58 in about Re: [Marxism] Germany's Die Linke shows the way for the left: > > Lüko Willms wrote: > > Einde O'Callaghan (eind...@freenet.de) wrote > > on 2009-09-21 at 00:28:04 in > &

Re: [Marxism] Germany's Die Linke shows the way for the left

Einde O'Callaghan (eind...@freenet.de) wrote on 2009-09-21 at 00:28:04 in about Re: [Marxism] Germany's Die Linke shows the way for the left: > The key question for Marxists in Germany is not whether DIE LINKE is > reformist or not, but where Marxists should be active given th

Re: [Marxism] Germany's Die Linke shows the way for the left

Lüko Willms wrote: > > As the "doctor at the death bed of capitalism", as Hilferding explained. > The > "socialism" they dream of is the "socialism" of Willy Brandt. > The key question for Marxists in Germany is not whether DIE LINKE is reformist or not, but where Marxists should be act

Re: [Marxism] Germany's Die Linke shows the way for the left

What about the Antikapitalistische Linke and the other opposition groups. I may be wrong, but I heard they form a fairly sizeable minority within the party. YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. Send list submissions to: Marx

Re: [Marxism] Germany's Die Linke shows the way for the left

brad bauerly (bbaue...@gmail.com) wrote on 2009-09-20 at 14:19:10 in about Re: [Marxism] Germany's Die Linke shows the way for the left: > > > Some places where Die Linke have entered coalitions with the SPD > do show both the limits to electoral politics and the nece

Re: [Marxism] Germany's Die Linke shows the way for the left

"The Partei Die Linke shows the way forward? Well, yes, back into bourgeois politics." A very good point. In my view this party is not a left wing party at all, because it says "yes to wage labour not to cheap labour." What is left in this statement? It does a good job for bourgeosie to integrate

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brad bauerly wrote: > I don't think it really is as simple as either Luko or Einde (sp?) make it > out to be. I haven't maintained that it's simple at all. As a matter of fact it's very difficult as a revolutionary to work out exactly what to do - this is something I know from practical experie

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I don't think it really is as simple as either Luko or Einde (sp?) make it out to be. Some places where Die Linke have entered coalitions with the SPD do show both the limits to electoral politics and the necessity to meet the people were they are at to squeeze out even the slightest of gains for

Re: [Marxism] Germany's Die Linke shows the way for the left

http://www.cpgb.org.uk/worker/783/oskarlafontaine.php Oskar Lafontaine: ‘We want to govern’ The results for the German left party Die Linke in the August 30 regional elections are impressive, particularly the 21.3% achieved in the federal state of Saarland. But is this the beginning of the end for

Re: [Marxism] Germany's Die Linke shows the way for the left

Why do I keep receiving multiple copies of the same post? Jim Farmelant On So, 20 Sep 2009 10:32:05 +0200 (MES) "=?iso-8859-1?q?L=FCko_Willms?=" writes: > Bhaskar Sunkara (bhaskar.sunk...@gmail.com) wrote on 2009-09-19 at > 15:45:13 in about Re: [Marxism] Germany's Di

Re: [Marxism] Germany's Die Linke shows the way for the left

Lüko Willms wrote: > Bhaskar Sunkara (bhaskar.sunk...@gmail.com) wrote on 2009-09-19 at > 15:45:13 in about Re: [Marxism] Germany's Die Linke shows the way for the > left: >> >> There is a militant minority in Die Linke that wants to build an >> oppositional move

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Lenin's Tomb wrote: > On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 1:26 PM, Einde O'Callaghan wrote: > >> I feel that both Richard and Lüko have an over-negative attitude to DIE >> LINKE. >> > > Ahem, ahem! It was *sarcasm*. > It must be living in Germany that does it - I'm obviously suffering from an irony defici

Re: [Marxism] Germany's Die Linke shows the way for the left

Lüko Willms wrote: > > I'll vote for the Pirates next sunday. > Now that's a really r-r-r-r-revolutionary choice, Lüko, considering that both the deputy chairman and then the chairman have been heavily criticised for their openness to the extreme right after giving interviews to Junge Fre

Re: [Marxism] Germany's Die Linke shows the way for the left

On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 1:26 PM, Einde O'Callaghan wrote: > I feel that both Richard and Lüko have an over-negative attitude to DIE > LINKE. > Ahem, ahem! It was *sarcasm*. -- Richard Seymour Writer and blogger Email: leninstombb...@googlemail.com Website: http://www.leninology.blogspot.com

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Lenin's Tomb wrote: > On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 8:03 PM, Lüko Willms wrote: > >> The Partei Die Linke shows the way forward? Well, yes, back into bourgeois >> politics. >> > > Yeah, because the working masses have already *abandoned* bourgeois > politics, and the Linke wants to *trick* them back i

Re: [Marxism] Germany's Die Linke shows the way for the left

Bhaskar Sunkara (bhaskar.sunk...@gmail.com) wrote on 2009-09-19 at 15:45:13 in about Re: [Marxism] Germany's Die Linke shows the way for the left: > > > There is a militant minority in Die Linke that wants to build an > oppositional movement and not be mere left-social democr

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Not only was the content of Richard's post dripping with sarcasm he even put asterisks for extra emphasis. On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 4:44 PM, Mark Lause wrote: > The point is the absurdity of the notion that the German working class has > repudiated bourgeois politics > > ML >

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Re: [Marxism] Germany's Die Linke shows the way for the left

There is a militant minority in Die Linke that wants to build an oppositional movement and not be mere left-social democrats. YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your

Re: [Marxism] Germany's Die Linke shows the way for the left

Lenin's Tomb wrote: "the working masses have already *abandoned* bourgeois politics, and the Linke wants to *trick* them back into that old shell game." Is it just me or does laughter tend to echo in Lenin's Tomb? ML YOU MUST clip all extraneous t

Re: [Marxism] Germany's Die Linke shows the way for the left

On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 8:03 PM, Lüko Willms wrote: > > The Partei Die Linke shows the way forward? Well, yes, back into bourgeois > politics. > Yeah, because the working masses have already *abandoned* bourgeois politics, and the Linke wants to *trick* them back into that old shell game. --

Re: [Marxism] Germany's Die Linke shows the way for the left

Dennis Brasky (dmozart1...@gmail.com) wrote on 2009-09-19 at 13:18:46 in about [Marxism] Germany's Die Linke shows the way for the left: > > > > [Frank Spieth's] anti-capitalist, pro-social justice Die Linke is striking > > a chord with an increasingly disenfran

[Marxism] Germany's Die Linke shows the way for the left

> > > Empire Burlesque - Chris Floyd - > > > Missing Link: Dissent, Delusion and > Discontent > > Posted: 18 Sep 2009 04:29 AM PDT > > clip - > > America has "tea-baggers," who ch