Re: [marxmail] At what stage do United Frontists vs Trump pull the plug on Biden?

2024-02-22 Thread Charlie
The armchair man: "it's delusional to believe you're engaged in 'revolutionary' politics when that movement is at its lowest ebb." Exactly wrong. If you wait until the movement surges, you have missed the boat. The armchair man: "the effects of automation, globalization, atomization, and the fr

Re: [marxmail] At what stage do United Frontists vs Trump pull the plug on Biden?

2024-02-22 Thread gojko rakic
" and it is an organizational form which, as the Bolsheviks proved, is indispensable when a revolutionary crisis erupts and the question of power is posed. " As my modest knowledge is saying to me that only proves that is a form for an illegal organization such as the Bolsheviks and that worked

Re: [marxmail] At what stage do United Frontists vs Trump pull the plug on Biden?

2024-02-22 Thread Marv Gandall
[Edited Message Follows] 1. Yes, the Bolsheviks overthrew capitalism in Russia but it was not a developed Western society but still a predominantly peasant one which is why I did not refer to it in my comments. 2. Yes, there were revolutionary crises in the West, particularly in the aftermath

Re: [marxmail] At what stage do United Frontists vs Trump pull the plug on Biden?

2024-02-22 Thread Marv Gandall
1. Yes, the Bolsheviks overthrew capitalism in Russia but it was not a developed Western society but still a predominantly peasant one which is why I did not refer to it in my comments. 2. Yes, there were revolutionary crises in the West, particularly in the aftermath of the Russian Revolution

Re: [marxmail] At what stage do United Frontists vs Trump pull the plug on Biden?

2024-02-22 Thread Alex Dillard
Also John, I thought your position was pro voting for Biden. Did this change? On Wed, Feb 21, 2024 at 4:42 AM John Reimann <1999wild...@gmail.com> wrote: > It's not just Biden; it's his party, the Democratic Party. As anybody who > follows the US labor movement knows, a central reason why there i

[marxmail] Omelets with Eggshells: On the Failure of the Millennial Left - American Affairs Journal

2024-02-22 Thread Michael Pugliese
Omelets with Eggshells: On the Failure of the Millennial Left - American Affairs Journal “In If We Burn, Vincent Bevins, a former correspondent in Brazil and then in Southeast Asia for leading U.S. newspapers, weaves a narrative from January 2010 to January 2020 that ties together mass protest in

Re: [marxmail] At what stage do United Frontists vs Trump pull the plug on Biden?

2024-02-22 Thread Charlie
Marv defends his reform view by shuffling aside all previous socialist revolutions into "peasant societies of the global South." Well, Russia was a peasant society, but it had a working-class revolution – without correlation to trade union density. Might we add revolutionary outbreaks that did

Re: [marxmail] At what stage do United Frontists vs Trump pull the plug on Biden?

2024-02-22 Thread Alex Dillard
If enough people vote for third parties/independents, it forces the Democrats to make concessions to progressives On Wed, Feb 21, 2024 at 4:42 AM John Reimann <1999wild...@gmail.com> wrote: > It's not just Biden; it's his party, the Democratic Party. As anybody who > follows the US labor movement

Re: [marxmail] At what stage do United Frontists vs Trump pull the plug on Biden?

2024-02-22 Thread Marv Gandall
Not quite sure what you understood him to be saying, David, but Charlie was likely the only one on the list who did not grasp that my comments were solely with reference to the experience of Marxists in the West, whose hopes for social revolution never materialized for reasons I explained. I bel

[marxmail] Sean O'Brien regime at Teamsters

2024-02-22 Thread Dayne Goodwin
Can 40 Year Teamsters Call Themselves Teamsters? by Tom Leedham, Tim Sylvester, Bill Zimmerman CounterPunch, Feb. 22 https://www.counterpunch.org/2024/02/22/can-40-year-teamsters-call-themselves-teamsters/ . . . Teamsterlink was the first to report on the reaction to President O’Brien’s trip to

Re: [marxmail] At what stage do United Frontists vs Trump pull the plug on Biden?

2024-02-22 Thread David Walters
Charlie, Marv is correct. It is but one of a few (and actually the only one I can think of) that is indictiave of the state of the working class for itself. You have another that you'd perhaps like to enlighten with? At every level, socialist revolutions i other countries occur during extreme de

Re: [marxmail] At what stage do United Frontists vs Trump pull the plug on Biden?

2024-02-22 Thread Charlie
Another high-toned, uninformed declaration: "But unless and until the steady decline in trade union density is halted and conditions become such as to force a resurgence of left-wing mass militancy and organization capable of  challenging for state power, we're necessarily limited to assisting t

Re: [marxmail] At what stage do United Frontists vs Trump pull the plug on Biden?

2024-02-22 Thread hari kumar
You know - depending on what day or time or whatever other condition - Louis was pretty capricious about this "banning". Even I was so ruled if I recall right. It was not exactly a mark of an 'honoured' select Club. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this

[marxmail] Ifnotnow -What are you doing tonight?

2024-02-22 Thread Dennis Brasky
On Thu, Feb 22, 2024 at 1:48 PM Eva, IfNotNow wrote: > Join our national call for ceasefire at 8pm ET / 5pm PT TONIGHT > > Dennis, > > > > This has been an especially painful week during an already horrifying > time. Witnessing the destruction in Rafah — aided and abetted by our own > government

Re: [marxmail] At what stage do United Frontists vs Trump pull the plug on Biden?

2024-02-22 Thread Marv Gandall
The blame game on the list illustrates that nothing the marginalized Marxist left has tried for generations has worked - neither a frontal assault on the leadership of the left-centre parties from the outside nor attempts to displace the leadership of the unions and union-based parties from the

Re: [marxmail] At what stage do United Frontists vs Trump pull the plug on Biden?

2024-02-22 Thread Mark Lause
As to when the Democrats drank their version of the kool aid, I've addressed the unchallenged facts of this every election. It didn't come out of Carter but the defeat of George McGovern, something the DNC at the time preferred rather than to lose power within the party. Leaders of American politic

[marxmail] Zionism and the Annihilation of Gaza: The Problem in Palestine is Not Political, but Ideological

2024-02-22 Thread Charles Keener via groups.io
Zionism and the Annihilation of Gaza: The Problem in Palestine is Not Political, but Ideological - Palestine Chronicle Zionism and the Annihilation of Gaza: The Problem in Palestine is Not Political, but Ideological All of this – the language of genocide, the genocide itself and the thr

Re: [marxmail] At what stage do United Frontists vs Trump pull the plug on Biden?

2024-02-22 Thread Mark Baugher
> On Feb 22, 2024, at 7:56 AM, sartes...@earthlink.net wrote: > > It's an honor to be moderated from this collection of apologists and > hypocrites and I want to acknowledge Louis Proyect who did me the great honor > of banning me from this circle jerk. S.Artesian, why do you keep rejoining

Re: [marxmail] At what stage do United Frontists vs Trump pull the plug on Biden?

2024-02-22 Thread sartesian
Good chance this won't make it past the censors, given recent actions or inaction, but does anyone think a) Israel's attack on Gaza was NOT inevitable? b) that such attack would not be barbaric in scope and intensity? c) that the attack would have been carried out without US agreement?  d) that

Re: [marxmail] At what stage do United Frontists vs Trump pull the plug on Biden?

2024-02-22 Thread Michael Meeropol
Mark is 100% right --- the Democrats' surrender (the title of my book by the way shameless plug --- and it's free on line!) actually begins in the Carter Administration --- I might date it from the failure to pass a miniscule Labor Law "reform" and the cut in captial gains taxes in 1978 as wel

Re: [marxmail] At what stage do United Frontists vs Trump pull the plug on Biden?

2024-02-22 Thread John Reimann
First, in reply to Marv Gandall, who writes "It’s not simply or even primarily a crisis of leadership, John, as many of us were miseducated to believe." I think this is mixing up two slightly different things. that "crisis of the leadership" classically refers to the crisis of the revolutionary lea