Re: [MBZ] DIY AC repair in modern times

2006-06-10 Thread Peter Frederick
Ah, but in fact air will diffuse through a small leak against a pressure gradient -- something I have trouble convincing the technicians at work of as well. If the evaporator is very cold due to low charge, you can and will get below atmospheric pressures occasionally as well, and a big leak w

Re: [MBZ] DIY AC repair in modern times

2006-06-10 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
electronic leak detector archer wrote: If you convert to 134-A can you then go back to R-12 using your 134-A set of gauges? R-134-A doesn't do a very good job of cooling my MBs. I'm currently trying to find a "second" leak in an '83 300D. The first one was the pressure switch on top of the d

Re: [MBZ] it left as mysteriously as it came

2006-06-10 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
yea, thats what Im thinking. Although iirc when I hit the switch before when it was acting up it still kicked down though. Marshall Booth wrote: Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Remember all the sudden the SDL tranny wouldnt shift till about 3500 rpm? Well all the sudden today its back to normal.

Re: [MBZ] it left as mysteriously as it came

2006-06-10 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
dude, walmart dextron is about all I use anyway, I cant tell a bit of difference. Mitch Haley wrote: "Kaleb C. Striplin" wrote: Remember all the sudden the SDL tranny wouldnt shift till about 3500 rpm? Well all the sudden today its back to normal. Wierd. If I were you, I'd drain and fil

Re: [MBZ] Electronic AC servo on sale.

2006-06-10 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
is that the kit to replace the servo? If so, Rusty is getting beat. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just got my Performance catalog yesterday and the electronic AC servo is on sale for $499, marked down from $699. This is the type two servo that fits the 107, 116, and 123 chassis from the mid 70

Re: [MBZ] it left as mysteriously as it came

2006-06-10 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
Fluid is fine. The pepto car is the 190D Craig McCluskey wrote: On Fri, 09 Jun 2006 20:48:17 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Remember all the sudden the SDL tranny wouldnt shift till about 3500 rpm? Well all the sudden today its back to normal. Wierd. So how's the

[MBZ] OkieQ, 2 weeks away

2006-06-10 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
OK folks, the okieq is 2 weeks away now. If you have not RSVP'd yet now is the time. If you need hotel info let me know so you can get your reservations in. The main event will be an afternoon affair with exact time to be announced. Probably will start around 2 probably. For those folks wh

[MBZ] Tybee Island A/C compressor woes 1982 300TD

2006-06-10 Thread Rick Hawkins
Folks, We're down on Tybee Island (Savannah) for the next couple of months. Granted, that's no sacrifice, BUT occasionally we do leave the island and with the air conditioning out in the 1982 300TD, it's no fun in the coastal heat. OK. Good working system until today. On my way down here a w

Re: [MBZ] DIY AC repair in modern times

2006-06-10 Thread Jim Cathey
Don't forget to check the compressor, too -- the hose junction on the later models tends to leak, as does the ffront seal and the piping manifold to compressor body on the Nippondenso conpressors. The ND compressor has 6 O-rings, four at the manifold/body interface and two more where the hoses a

Re: [MBZ] DIY AC repair in modern times

2006-06-10 Thread Jim Cathey
Isobutane/propane refrigerant will work very nicely. However, if you have a leak, air leaks in while the hydrocarbons leak out, and you can get an explosive mixture fairly easily. I do not see how a charged system can get _any_ air in it. I have never observed low-side pressure that dropped be

Re: [MBZ] DIY AC repair in modern times

2006-06-10 Thread Peter Frederick
All the connections are sealed with o-rings, and there are four on the expansion valve. I would guess that is where your leak is, and it may be slow enough that not much oil will blow out with the freon. I replace all the 0-rings with new green ones when changing a system over. Don't forget

Re: [MBZ] DIY AC repair in modern times

2006-06-10 Thread Jim Cathey
If you convert to 134-A can you then go back to R-12 using your 134-A set of gauges? Not easily, and not legally. The fittings are all wrong for filling. The oils are mutually incompatible. I back-converted one of our 560 SL's, the fitting adapters just unscrewed. Getting that evil POS oil

Re: [MBZ] Salvage titles

2006-06-10 Thread David Brodbeck
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: <> How do insurance companies feel about insuring salvage vehicles? Liability insurance is usually no problem. If you want collision or comprehensive, you may have to shop around. Some companies will outright refuse to put that kind of insurance on a salvage vehicl

Re: [MBZ] DIY AC repair in modern times

2006-06-10 Thread archer
If you convert to 134-A can you then go back to R-12 using your 134-A set of gauges? R-134-A doesn't do a very good job of cooling my MBs. I'm currently trying to find a "second" leak in an '83 300D. The first one was the pressure switch on top of the dryer which is now fixed. I'm using UV d

Re: [MBZ] What tire size are people running with 15-inch rims, on the older cars?

2006-06-10 Thread Peter Frederick
Diameter is probably too small, speedo and odo are off. Won't actuallyt hurt anything, but the may be the wrong size. Peter

Re: [MBZ] DIY AC repair in modern times

2006-06-10 Thread Peter Frederick
Isobutane/propane refrigerant will work very nicely. However, if you have a leak, air leaks in while the hydrocarbons leak out, and you can get an explosive mixture fairly easily. The result can be a detonating compressor (don't laugh, I've seen it). You also risk a large explosion if you ha

Re: [MBZ] What tire size are people running with 15-inch rims, on the older cars?

2006-06-10 Thread Gary Hurst
why would i be running 205/65 on my 15" bundts if it weren't what to do? swine On 6/9/06, Steve MacSween <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: on 6/9/06 3:21 PM, Marshall Booth at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Steve MacSween wrote: >> Just curious... plan to put some 15" rims I have, onto my w126, and I

Re: [MBZ] DIY AC repair in modern times

2006-06-10 Thread Jim Cathey
Jim, what is "test refrigerant" It is what I use to test a system before committing scarce and expensive R12 to it. (None of my cars has sufficiently 'passed' the test to earn my only three cans of R12.) It's a mix of isobutane and propane, and there are commercial formulations of this. Costs

Re: [MBZ] Electronic AC servo on sale

2006-06-10 Thread Joe Knight
As noted earlier the Unwired Tools servo replacement that Performance currently has on sale is a closeout of an earlier than current version. Should work well enough but installation is a bit more involved and iirc it lacks some of the programability of the current version. If anyone's feeling t

Re: [MBZ] DIY AC repair in modern times

2006-06-10 Thread George Larribeau
> In electrical terms, it's like trying to diagnose a battery/starter > problem using only a voltmeter and your brain. That's what most of > us do and it certainly works, but it's _so_ much easier to _also_ use > an ammeter to measure the current draw rather than trying to infer it. > Thank you I

Re: [MBZ] DIY AC repair in modern times

2006-06-10 Thread George Larribeau
> reason I like to do it then! That, and using test refrigerant > instead of R12 means it's not cookbook time, you have to tinker > with the (under-)charge. > > -- Jim Jim, what is "test refrigerant" is there a FAQ ? if you have been over and over this is it in the archives ? George Larribeau

Re: [MBZ] 190D update

2006-06-10 Thread Peter Frederick
Ah, the good ol "Itialian Tunueup: -- drive the stuffings out of it, and it runs better. The worst possible thing to do with a Benz diesel is putt around town in it -- carbons up the prechambers something terrible. I change Mobil 1 oil on 6000 mile intervals.. Peter

Re: [MBZ] DIY AC repair in modern times

2006-06-10 Thread Peter Frederick
The most common failures are leaks, which are fairly easy to fix, if not cheap, but a compressor failure these days almost always means changing the condenser to get rid of all the crap sitting in it -- which stuff will promptly wreck a new compressor. My friend Hans always installs a filter i

[MBZ] 190D update

2006-06-10 Thread Curt Raymond
While I feel like typing I thought I'd give an update on my 190D. When I first got it on cold startup it acted sort of odd, it'd start but idle really low for maybe 1/2 second and then come up to normal idle speed. Warm starts were fine. Now after around 7,000 miles 6,000 of that with Mobil 1

[MBZ] More thoughts on driving.

2006-06-10 Thread Curt Raymond
The discussion of the faster Mercedes, including the Finnish mods reminds me of something I was thinking of last night. I'd taken a buddy out for a bachelor night since I'll miss his bachelor party and finally had a chance to really open up my 190D 2.2l 5spd. I was following a guy in an Audi A6

Re: [MBZ] '92 300E AC compressor in '87 300TD?

2006-06-10 Thread Marshall Booth
Jim Cathey wrote: That's a larger capacity (173 cc) compressor that was installed in late '80s 107s and larger 126s. The 10P15 has 153 cc capacity. If it fits, I think it should work. It should be noted that certain 80's Camry's use a 10P15 (I think), with speed sensor, so they can be a source

Re: [MBZ] Need help with Power Steering Issues

2006-06-10 Thread John Berryman
On Jun 10, 2006, at 6:52 AM, Wakin's wrote: Do I have the right hose, and should fluid be coming out? If fluid is supposed to come out, anyone have any ideas why mine doesn't? Thanks in advance, Dave Wakin From your description, it seems you have the correct hose. It does come directly f

Re: [MBZ] '92 300E AC compressor in '87 300TD?

2006-06-10 Thread Jim Cathey
That's a larger capacity (173 cc) compressor that was installed in late '80s 107s and larger 126s. The 10P15 has 153 cc capacity. If it fits, I think it should work. It should be noted that certain 80's Camry's use a 10P15 (I think), with speed sensor, so they can be a source of used replacement

Re: [MBZ] '92 300E AC compressor in '87 300TD?

2006-06-10 Thread Jim Cathey
What does the speed sensor do? Tells the system the RPM of the compressor. Used by the serpentine belt protection system to detect a locked-up compressor, which disengages the clutch to protect the (single) belt, in theory keeping the water pump going thus protecting the engine from destruction.

Re: [MBZ] '92 300E AC compressor in '87 300TD?

2006-06-10 Thread archer
What does the speed sensor do? Do '83 300D Turbos have them? Are they part of the compressor? Thanks, Gerry Archer - Original Message - From: "Jim Cathey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2006 12:48 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] '92 300E AC compres

Re: [MBZ] '92 300E AC compressor in '87 300TD?

2006-06-10 Thread Marshall Booth
Zeitgeist wrote: Uh oh, it says it's a 10 PA 17C. Is that bad? MB part # 116 130 05 15 That's a larger capacity (173 cc) compressor that was installed in late '80s 107s and larger 126s. The 10P15 has 153 cc capacity. If it fits, I think it should work. Marshall -- Marshall Boo

Re: [MBZ] it left as mysteriously as it came

2006-06-10 Thread Marshall Booth
Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Remember all the sudden the SDL tranny wouldnt shift till about 3500 rpm? Well all the sudden today its back to normal. Wierd. A stuck kickdown switch could do that (stuck then, not now). Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions

Re: [MBZ] it left as mysteriously as it came

2006-06-10 Thread Mitch Haley
"Kaleb C. Striplin" wrote: > > Remember all the sudden the SDL tranny wouldnt shift till about 3500 > rpm? Well all the sudden today its back to normal. Wierd. If I were you, I'd drain and fill with Walmart Dexron III, drive it at least 1000 miles and then change fluid and filter, with M1 if I

[MBZ] Need help with Power Steering Issues

2006-06-10 Thread Wakin's
My 1990 300TE's steering has not been right since we woke it up from it's winter nap. It seems to fight you as you drive. I had brought it to out local allignment shop here to see what they could do, and they told me it needed an idler arm - so I took it back and replaced the bushings (which looke

Re: [MBZ] Summer tire recommendation W124 16"

2006-06-10 Thread mykd1
what was the original tire size? guessing maybe a 195 65 15? Harry 69 280 SEL 120,000 Miles 72 350SL 108,000 Miles 2004 VW Passat 4 Motion 1999 Mazda Miata -Original Message- From: Ralph W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 19:04:47 -0400 Subject

Re: [MBZ] it left as mysteriously as it came

2006-06-10 Thread mykd1
sounds like it was just a little cold Harry 69 280 SEL 120,000 Miles 72 350SL 108,000 Miles 2004 VW Passat 4 Motion 1999 Mazda Miata -Original Message- From: Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Mercedes Mailing List Sent: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 20:48:17 -0500 Subject: [MBZ] it

[MBZ] Electronic AC servo on sale.

2006-06-10 Thread JFreezn
Just got my Performance catalog yesterday and the electronic AC servo is on sale for $499, marked down from $699. This is the type two servo that fits the 107, 116, and 123 chassis from the mid 70s to early 80s. Regards, Jim Friesen Phoenix AZ 79 300SD, 262 K miles 98 ML 320, 142 K mi

Re: [MBZ] wheels for 126/ 8 hole wheels for sale

2006-06-10 Thread JFreezn
In a message dated 6/7/2006 2:46:30 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There was some discussion about wheels for a 126 a few months back. My 126 (1990 300SEL) has the standard 15 hole wheels and they are fine. No marks or scrapes and I sort of a fanatic about keepin

[MBZ] Swamp coolers [was: Re: A possibly entertaining story, addition.]

2006-06-10 Thread Craig McCluskey
On Fri, 9 Jun 2006 11:58:31 -0400 "archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What is the humidity level in the building when they are working well? I've never measured it, but my guess is 50 - 70%. > Do people who use them have any problems with mold growth? I'm sure they do. I haven't used one in

Re: [MBZ] it left as mysteriously as it came

2006-06-10 Thread Craig McCluskey
On Fri, 09 Jun 2006 20:48:17 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Remember all the sudden the SDL tranny wouldnt shift till about 3500 > rpm? Well all the sudden today its back to normal. Wierd. So how's the tranny fluid? Is that the car that had PeptoBismol? I have trouble f

Re: [MBZ] DIY AC repair in modern times

2006-06-10 Thread Jim Cathey
Is there a max pressure at Idle? The modern AC system is deceptively simple. It's rather elegant engineering, which means that it's more complex than it appears. It's all about fluid dynamics, with phase changes thrown in, and a lot of weird plumbing. Testing is done by pressure gauges, thermo

Re: [MBZ] DIY AC repair in modern times

2006-06-10 Thread Jim Cathey
I am going to put the gauges on it tomorrow. Is there a max pressure at Idle? I thought that the low side pressure was important at idle like not to exceed 28 psi or something? At idle it's not running very effectively, and I've found the pressures are _never_ as low as when running at speed.

Re: [MBZ] DIY AC repair in modern times

2006-06-10 Thread Jim Cathey
When the expansion valve closes due to low evaporator temp, the low side can drop as low as -15 psi, as it should to prevent freezeup. The compressor will also cycle on a Benz to prevent freezeup and to control cooling. When charging on a hot day, as I like to do, the system ends up running fla

Re: [MBZ] '92 300E AC compressor in '87 300TD?

2006-06-10 Thread Jim Cathey
Uh oh, it says it's a 10 PA 17C. Is that bad? Should be interchangeable. Is it a Nippondenso 10P15? The 10 is the number of pistons (actually five double-ended ones), the 15/17 is the capacity in some units. There are smaller ones too. If it fits, and the speed sensor is compatible, it ought

Re: [MBZ] '92 300E AC compressor in '87 300TD?

2006-06-10 Thread Peter Frederick
Yup, it's different. The 87 uses a 10P15. The 10 PA 17C is shorter, and I don't know if the holes line up, and the speed sensor may be different. Peter

Re: [MBZ] it left as mysteriously as it came

2006-06-10 Thread John Berryman
On Jun 9, 2006, at 9:48 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Remember all the sudden the SDL tranny wouldnt shift till about 3500 rpm? Well all the sudden today its back to normal. Wierd. Whatever it was, it may be wise to change the fluid/filter. A valve could have gummed up or stuck with par

Re: [MBZ] '92 300E AC compressor in '87 300TD?

2006-06-10 Thread Zeitgeist
Uh oh, it says it's a 10 PA 17C. Is that bad? MB part # 116 130 05 15 On 6/9/06, Marshall Booth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Should be interchangeable. Is it a Nippondenso 10P15? Marshall Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: "I drive in a persistent vegetative state" '87 300TD intercooler #22 (21

Re: [MBZ] 617.950 617.952 differences

2006-06-10 Thread Luther Gulseth
Aight, with out the Finnish mods and just Dave M.'s mods. On Fri, 09 Jun 2006 16:41:09 -0500, Marshall Booth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Luther Gulseth wrote: And the ultimate would be a 124 coupe with OM603 w/Finnish mods.. Not if you wanted the engine to last for 250-300kmi!! M

Re: [MBZ] '92 300E AC compressor in '87 300TD?

2006-06-10 Thread Marshall Booth
Zeitgeist wrote: Well, either the stars must have aligned or I shuffled across some random pixie dust, but a W124 finally showed up at the local Pick-a-Part--this has never ever ever happened around here before...ever. It's a '92 300E, and I nabbed the steering wheel (w/airbag), glovebox door, s

Re: [MBZ] it left as mysteriously as it came

2006-06-10 Thread Christopher McCann
Wulf did the exact same thing about 5 times over a two day period about a year ago. I can handle problems like that! Chris "Kaleb C. Striplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Remember all the sudden the SDL tranny wouldnt shift till about 3500 rpm? Well all the sudden today its back to norma

Re: [MBZ] DIY AC repair in modern times

2006-06-10 Thread Peter Frederick
R12 low side should be above 35 psi (which, so conveniently, is also 35F) with expansion valve open (as it will be at idle). The high side pressure should be around 250 psi, higher as the external temp goes up. At 1500 rpm (the normal spec) low side pressure should be 35 and high side under 3

[MBZ] '92 300E AC compressor in '87 300TD?

2006-06-10 Thread Zeitgeist
Well, either the stars must have aligned or I shuffled across some random pixie dust, but a W124 finally showed up at the local Pick-a-Part--this has never ever ever happened around here before...ever. It's a '92 300E, and I nabbed the steering wheel (w/airbag), glovebox door, speakers, rear door

Re: [MBZ] unobtanium, but on crack

2006-06-10 Thread Craig McCluskey
On Thu, 8 Jun 2006 21:55:23 -0600 Craig McCluskey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 8 Jun 2006 10:26:43 -0400 John Berryman > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > High? If it really has 127,000, $3500 is real fair. Although, as > > usual the auction is not near over. Why do salvage titles sc

Re: [MBZ] A possibly entertaining story, addition.

2006-06-10 Thread Bob Rentfro
Gerry typed: "What is the humidity level in the building when they (evap coolers) are working well? Do people who use them have any problems with mold growth?" I'm not sure...it's totally comfortable, though. Mold is never a problem...at least not in my experience since I quit using it when

Re: [MBZ] Summer tire recommendation W124 16"

2006-06-10 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
Well the 795's are the ones you would want. Dont know anything about the 711's Ralph W wrote: Hello All, I need a new set of summer tires for my '90 W124. I run snow tires in the winter on the standard 15" pancakes that came with the car. In the summer I am using later model 16" E-class whe

Re: [MBZ] times running out OK Don

2006-06-10 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
I dont have time to go get it, and am running out of room. OK Don wrote: It's yours -- I don't have a place to put it. On 6/9/06, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4646349169&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1 -- Kal

Re: [MBZ] test

2006-06-10 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
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Re: [MBZ] What tire size are people running with 15-inch rims, on the older cars?

2006-06-10 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
Well the stock size on 126 cars that use those wheels is 205/65-15 so thats what I would use. Steve MacSween wrote: Just curious... plan to put some 15" rims I have, onto my w126, and I'd like to try some 205/65-15 tires I have lying around here. IIRC, conventional wisdom has it that you sho

[MBZ] it left as mysteriously as it came

2006-06-10 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
Remember all the sudden the SDL tranny wouldnt shift till about 3500 rpm? Well all the sudden today its back to normal. Wierd. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 76 240

Re: [MBZ] DIY AC repair in modern times

2006-06-10 Thread George Larribeau
> Both pressures are low. Compressor _could_ cause this, but it sounds > undercharged. > I am going to put the gauges on it tomorrow. Is there a max pressure at Idle? I thought that the low side pressure was important at idle like not to exceed 28 psi or something? Am I misinformed? At what RPM

Re: [MBZ] Summer tire recommendation W124 16"

2006-06-10 Thread Ralph W
I need to point out that I made an error on the Kuhmo's the model I have is the Ecsta HP4 which is no longer available on TIRERACK.com. I agree with John on the behavior of the Arctic's on my car. I was merely trying to make the point that the car is worlds better with the Alpines than the Kuh