Re: [MBZ] OT Cargo plane crash Afghanistan

What could the pilot have done better that would have retained enough lift and control to perhaps crash land straight ahead? Stick forward, full power, spoilers retracted? (Hope I got that right.) Don't think I've ever seen an explanation of how best to manage a load shift. Gerry.flying

Re: [MBZ] OT Cargo plane crash Afghanistan

It's a prize I would gladly not take if somehow we could time machine backward and prevent the crash. The old adage in aviation is "All accidents happen on the ground before takeoff" to often is true. Somewhere, someone, or a group of someones set the stage for things to go wrong... then Murphy de

Re: [MBZ] OT Cargo plane crash Afghanistan

I saw a posting that said the pilot reported a cargo shift before it crashed. Gmann wins the prize. --R On 5/1/13 12:00 AM, Rich Thomas wrote: Yes there was an article I just read on the WSJ said it was a 747-248. --R On 4/30/13 11:35 PM, Bob Rentfro wrote: Daniel said it was a 747. Bob

Re: [MBZ] OT Cargo plane crash Afghanistan

Yes there was an article I just read on the WSJ said it was a 747-248. --R On 4/30/13 11:35 PM, Bob Rentfro wrote: Daniel said it was a 747. Bob R On Apr 30, 2013 7:03 PM, wrote: That was a very disturbing video. Wow. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 30, 2013, at 5:36 PM, Randy Bennell wrote:

Re: [MBZ] OT Cargo plane crash Afghanistan

Daniel said it was a 747. Bob R On Apr 30, 2013 7:03 PM, wrote: > That was a very disturbing video. Wow. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Apr 30, 2013, at 5:36 PM, Randy Bennell wrote: > > > I don't have speakers connected to my computer here in the office so I > watched it in silence and could n

[MBZ] ferrari kid

Just what every nine year old who can't see over the dash needs for his birthday, a Ferrari F430. http://youtu.be/Tm2xgHeULSc An Indian man is facing charges for allowing his nine-year-old son to drive his Ferrari F430 on public roads. News of the stunt first broke a few weeks ago when video

Re: [MBZ] OT Cargo plane crash Afghanistan

That was a very disturbing video. Wow. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 30, 2013, at 5:36 PM, Randy Bennell wrote: > I don't have speakers connected to my computer here in the office so I > watched it in silence and could not hear the engines. I had to wonder if it > lost power as it just seemed to

Re: [MBZ] OT - Primaries

I thought I heard Chris Matthews talking 'bout an SC primary today; I walked (hobbled) in just as Mr. Argentine and his opponent were leaving the screen; I may have misunderstood. Wilton - Original Message - From: "Max Dillon" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Tuesday, April 30,

Re: [MBZ] Is this what Max was looking for?

Close, but wouldn't fit my '95. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Curt Raymond wrote: >Just stumbled onto this today: > >http://boston.craigslist.org/nwb/pts/3765033806.html > >No affiliation etc.. > >-Curt > >___ >http://www.okie

[MBZ] Is this what Max was looking for?

Just stumbled onto this today: http://boston.craigslist.org/nwb/pts/3765033806.html No affiliation etc.. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe o

Re: [MBZ] OT - Primaries

If we did, I missed it. Out of town today for work. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 WILTON wrote: >Rich, Max, did you guys south of the border have a primary today? >How's it going? > >BTW, Rich, have ya been to Crooks Corner in Chapel Hill? DIL has >reservatio

[MBZ] OT - Primaries

Rich, Max, did you guys south of the border have a primary today? How's it going? BTW, Rich, have ya been to Crooks Corner in Chapel Hill? DIL has reservation for 10 there Grndson graduation/Mom day. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used part

Re: [MBZ] OT Cargo plane crash Afghanistan

No sound, The cam was in a truck or something. I like the Gman's suggestion of a cargo shift putting it very nose high, or if the aircraft was an Airbus (looked like it?) the control system might have gone wonky on them, like that one that bored in over the Atlantic a few years ago. --R On

Re: [MBZ] Dealers/stealers

That part was a striking difference between the VW dealer (same as the toymotor dealer) and the Ford dealer - they didn't even offer anything else - just cranked the paper and we were out of there. On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 10:04 AM, Mitch Haley wrote: > That's why I'll never again buy a car from

Re: [MBZ] OT: The case for banning hammers and registering owners

Never understood some mens fascination with 44s and such. What do you do with more than a handful? The only explanation must be that they were deprived of natural nourishment as babies. Several who were well endowed have told me that it's no fun being top heavy. Gerry From: "Rich Thomas" He

Re: [MBZ] OT Cargo plane crash Afghanistan

I don't have speakers connected to my computer here in the office so I watched it in silence and could not hear the engines. I had to wonder if it lost power as it just seemed to lose forward momentum. I hope they had a list of those on board somewhere because I doubt they are going to find mu

Re: [MBZ] Dealers/stealers

No, 'didn't really locate this truck via USAA; the dealers/stealers on USAA list are 75 to 100 mi away. 'Talked to those about possibilities, then went to local stealer; found truck close enough to what son wanted and showed salesman one of the USAA discount certificates; made deal based on tha

Re: [MBZ] OT Cargo plane crash Afghanistan

As a pilot, it looks to me like a pretty classic departure stall sequence. Nose high, low speed, full power, perhaps a drastic change in weight and balance due to cargo shift?. Not sufficient airspeed or altitude for recovery. Note the roll to the right as the wing lost lift and stall/ spin entry

[MBZ] OT Cargo plane crash Afghanistan

Looks like the stick never released, got stuck nose up -- is that an Airbus? http://www.mediaite.com/online/must-see-unbelievable-footage-of-plane-crash-at-baghram-airbase-in-afghanistan/ --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okie

Re: [MBZ] Dealers/stealers

Did the ex leave when the Chebette did? Was she involved in the Happy Ending? --R On 4/30/13 3:58 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: This is a story about the only time I ever purhcased a new car. My ex and I purchased a new 1976 Chevette from a dealership inTysons Corner, VA. The salesman quoted

Re: [MBZ] Dealers/stealers

On Tue, 30 Apr 2013 10:30:16 -0400 "WILTON" wrote: > It seems that the REAL reason, the Toyota guy wanted us to go there was > to try to get another $27XX tacked onto their take. I'm afraid (nearly > certain) that, if I had not been there, the SOB would have tacked it > onto son's CU loan. You

Re: [MBZ] Dealers/stealers

Son saw it and signed it, supposedly, at 1.99%, $230/mo; I'll confirm when I see CU lady tomorrow. Stealer FM was trying to jack it to $260/mo., saying, "Oh, that's not much - only a dollar a day, etc., for this fantastic deal on long-term insurance." BTW, 'told CU lady 'bout stealer FM tacti

Re: [MBZ] Dealers/stealers

This is a story about the only time I ever purhcased a new car. My ex and I purchased a new 1976 Chevette from a dealership inTysons Corner, VA. The salesman quoted me a price and when I didn't try to counteroffer he just about fell off his chair. I was from NYC and totally naive in negotiating f

Re: [MBZ] Dealers/stealers

All good reasons to avoid stealers. That said, I bought a car form a stealer a couple years ago. first time in 30 years. They had what I wanted and were up front that they needed to sell it or it went to auction. I bought it well enough that I am pretty sure I could sell it today and get al

Re: [MBZ] Dealers/stealers

On 30/04/2013 9:30 AM, WILTON wrote: Picked up son's new Toyota truck yesterday to replace one totaled by a deer. First stopped by credit union to arrange financing - cost of vehicle minus ins. check = ~$13k. (Bit of background - son was laid off as a surveyor about 4 years ago; went to chef s

Re: [MBZ] I soiled myself...

Feels like I'm having to peek at each photo. Can see only about half to three quarters of each photo. How can I move right side of frame to right to reveal rest of each photo or move photo to left into full frame. Anybody else see this? Yeah, I know, it's probably something very simple, but,

Re: [MBZ] I soiled myself...

On Tue, 30 Apr 2013 13:50:27 -0400 Dan Penoff wrote: > Yeah, that was confusing to me when I read the description - until I > saw the photos. Duh. Sure looks like two carburetors to me Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.

Re: [MBZ] I soiled myself...

You know, in 40 years, I've only sent in CAV/roosa/stanadyne Injection pumps to repair, except one 200D pump. Carbs are another story. And until the 1980s, the DV unions did not have orings to leak. Some "improvement" Yeah, that was confusing to me when I read the description - until I sa

Re: [MBZ] I soiled myself...

Yeah, that was confusing to me when I read the description - until I saw the photos. Duh. And Jaime can make the Zeniths work well, too. I'm not the only one Dan On Apr 30, 2013, at 1:39 PM, Dieselhead wrote: > The auction monkeys don't even know what they have. They call it a 220S, >

Re: [MBZ] I soiled myself...

The auction monkeys don't even know what they have. They call it a 220S, then talk about fuel injection 1960 220Sb has dual Solex two stage. IMHO, far better than the zeniths that warped all the time and never ran right except when Dan worked on them. Nice looking car. I hope it finds a goo

Re: [MBZ] Dealers/stealers

Didn't we already try that? (Hint: Cash for Clunkers) --R On 4/30/13 11:20 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: This is a good example why the private sector sucks and we need to socialize dealerships. A Federal agency would NEVER try that cr*p. Andrew, with tongue well up in cheek On Tue, Apr 30,

Re: [MBZ] Dealers/stealers

This is a good example why the private sector sucks and we need to socialize dealerships. A Federal agency would NEVER try that cr*p. Andrew, with tongue well up in cheek On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 11:10 AM, WILTON wrote: > FM moment - yep. SIL? 'Don't know, may be. ;<) > > Wilton > > - Or

Re: [MBZ] Dealers/stealers

Hear, hear! I was already at that point; 'that's why I had insisted on CU anyway; then he suddenly started into his crap and just didn't want to shut the Hell up; he was damned determined to tack on another $27XX. 'Sure glad I was there to insist on, "NO!" Wilton - Original Message

Re: [MBZ] I soiled myself...

Documented low mileage examples of this model must be ridiculously rare, so it ought to be worth a huge premium over a typical example. I also love the smell of original red leather. Much nicer thatn any other color. On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 10:20 AM, Dan Penoff wrote: > Yeah, the auction es

Re: [MBZ] Tires or Tars was Re: OT: The case for banning hammers

The price was less than $75 each, delivered to the shop. I thought that was pretty decent. Of course, mounting and balancing add $25 x 4. On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 10:33 AM, Rick Knoble wrote: > On Apr 30, 2013, at 8:17 AM, "Andrew Strasfogel" > wrote: > > > Tires, for example (note the quaint n

Re: [MBZ] Dealers/stealers

FM moment - yep. SIL? 'Don't know, may be. ;<) Wilton - Original Message - From: "Rich Thomas" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 10:45 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Dealers/stealers Sounds like a Fargo moment. Was the FM the son-in-law of the owner of the dea

Re: [MBZ] I soiled myself...

Rich Thomas wrote: http://www.howstuffworks.com/1957-1960-rambler-rebel.htm http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoReAIb9UDY ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsu

Re: [MBZ] Dealers/stealers

WILTON wrote: We arrived at stealership, called USAA for ins; received ins card by fax, then met "finance manager" for final paperwork; stuff finally moving along 'til finance guy went into his long-winded sales pitch for extended, long-term warranty adding another $27XX to the $13k CU loan.

Re: [MBZ] I soiled myself...

http://www.howstuffworks.com/1957-1960-rambler-rebel.htm --R On 4/30/13 10:08 AM, Dan Penoff wrote: ...when I saw this car on today's BAT: http://www.worldwide-auctioneers.com/auctions/details.cfm?vehicleID=102&id=48 Dan Sent from my iPad ___ http://www.oki

Re: [MBZ] Dealers/stealers

Sounds like a Fargo moment. Was the FM the son-in-law of the owner of the dealership? --R On 4/30/13 10:30 AM, WILTON wrote: Picked up son's new Toyota truck yesterday to replace one totaled by a deer. First stopped by credit union to arrange financing - cost of vehicle minus ins. check = ~

Re: [MBZ] Mercedes-Benz Involvement in Boston Event - M-BTechnology atWork!

That too, evidently. Lucky, calm, tough, good, straight-thinking guy. I'd sure like to have 'im on my team. Certainly, in my condition now, I couldn't have done it. Not even so sure 'bout when I was in "prime." Wilton - Original Message - From: "Rich Thomas" To: "Mercedes Discus

[MBZ] Tires or Tars was Re: OT: The case for banning hammers

On Apr 30, 2013, at 8:17 AM, "Andrew Strasfogel" wrote: > Tires, for example (note the quaint northern spelling). I ordered 4 Kumhos > for my 1985 300TD. They were hard to find in a 195X14 and had to be > shipped in from Indiana. The Solus 21 model? I have those and am very happy with them.

[MBZ] Dealers/stealers

Picked up son's new Toyota truck yesterday to replace one totaled by a deer. First stopped by credit union to arrange financing - cost of vehicle minus ins. check = ~$13k. (Bit of background - son was laid off as a surveyor about 4 years ago; went to chef school with my help; been working as c

Re: [MBZ] I soiled myself...

Dan Penoff wrote: ...when I saw this car on today's BAT: http://www.worldwide-auctioneers.com/auctions/details.cfm?vehicleID=102&id=48 I almost bought one of those for $200 about 25 years ago. Solid body, oxidized paint, so-so red interior, not running. I think it was a 1962. Mitch. __

Re: [MBZ] I soiled myself...

Yeah, the auction estimate is a bit ridiculous IMHO. I just love finnies, and there are fewer and fewer of them each year, so it's exciting to see a really nice one once in a while. Dan Sent from my iPad On Apr 30, 2013, at 10:17 AM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: > A true crack head. > > Sent

Re: [MBZ] I soiled myself...

A true crack head. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 30, 2013, at 10:08 AM, Dan Penoff wrote: > ...when I saw this car on today's BAT: > > http://www.worldwide-auctioneers.com/auctions/details.cfm?vehicleID=102&id=48 > > Dan > > Sent from my iPad > ___ > http://w

[MBZ] I soiled myself...

...when I saw this car on today's BAT: http://www.worldwide-auctioneers.com/auctions/details.cfm?vehicleID=102&id=48 Dan Sent from my iPad ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] Benz trashed OOOPS

Well Possum liked to get trashed too but here is the Benz http://bigstory.ap.org/article/state-tv-syrian-premier-escapes-bomb-attack --R On 4/30/13 9:28 AM, Rich Thomas wrote: http://www.chron.com/life/article/Country-legend-George-Jones-dies-4466223.php --R ___

Re: [MBZ] Mercedes-Benz Involvement in Boston Event - M-BTechnology atWork!

I heard he left his iphone in the car and used the "find my iphone" feature to track it? --R On 4/29/13 8:10 PM, WILTON wrote: Give police, MB and the ML's owner big ATTABOY's!!! Wilton - Original Message - From: "WILTON" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013

Re: [MBZ] OT: The case for banning hammers and registering owners

He opened the door and there she stood with a pair of 44s. She also had a gun. --R On 4/29/13 4:28 PM, Randy Bennell wrote: On 29/04/2013 2:37 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: Randy Bennell wrote: We had one locally. A fellow did his wife in with a hammer. Don't know if he had a gun. We had one lo

[MBZ] Benz trashed

http://www.chron.com/life/article/Country-legend-George-Jones-dies-4466223.php --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go

Re: [MBZ] OT: The case for banning hammers and registering owners

Yes, we can all agree that violence is universal and can take many forms. I suggest we move on to other topics related to our mission. Tires, for example (note the quaint northern spelling). I ordered 4 Kumhos for my 1985 300TD. They were hard to find in a 195X14 and had to be shipped in from In

Re: [MBZ] CL photo retard of the month

I used a magnifying glass on it; still can't be sure there's a real car there. May be an MB, may not. Wilton - Original Message - From: "Andrew Strasfogel" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 9:10 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] CL photo retard of the month The pr

Re: [MBZ] CL photo retard of the month

The price is proportional to the size of the photo. On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 11:29 PM, Chris James wrote: > It's so small, I can't even tell if it's a Mercedes! Why even bother? > > > On 4/29/2013 11:20 PM, clay wrote: > >> http://seattle.craigslist.org/**oly/cto/3762378138.html

Re: [MBZ] Bilstein Gas Pressure Shock Absorbers

I paid $100 shipped for 4 Boge/Sachs for my W116 a few years ago, had been sitting around in the boxes for a while. I'd guess somebody might take them for $100 a pair delivered. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.co