[MBZ] Finnie Fun

2019-02-03 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Blog post for yesterday’s work: http://penoff.com/1965_220SEb_Blog/Entries/2019/2/2_Trunk_Show.html -D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz

[MBZ] Not Benz but beautiful

2019-02-03 Thread Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
I really love this car https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1995-ferrari-456-gt-4/ If you’d rather a (notso) Cheap class ... https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1998-mercedes-benz-c280-sport/ --FT Sent from iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives

Re: [MBZ] Radio antenna

2019-02-03 Thread Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
I need to see if the wire from the knocked-off fuse block goes to the antenna. Could not really tell from the wiring schematic exactly what that block was for and I did not remove the trunk panels to chase the wire. Then I’ll check the other stuff too. But it’s raining now and I’m going to an o

Re: [MBZ] Not Benz but beautiful

2019-02-03 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes
Generally I love a Ferrari, but this model looks too much like a Japanese car to me. Maybe a different color would help? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC On February 3, 2019 10:19:12 AM EST, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote: >I really love this car >https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1995-ferrar

Re: [MBZ] Finnie Fun

2019-02-03 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
yer makin progress! -FT On 2/3/19 9:31 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: Blog post for yesterday’s work: http://penoff.com/1965_220SEb_Blog/Entries/2019/2/2_Trunk_Show.html -D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/a

Re: [MBZ] Finnie Fun

2019-02-03 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Yup. Just chipping away. I’m juggling the logistics of the headliner replacement right now. I just ordered my new reproduction dash pad from the supplier in Turkey, which should arrive in a couple of weeks. I started tearing into the dash yesterday and hope to finish that up today. That way I h

Re: [MBZ] Finnie Fun

2019-02-03 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
Sorry to hear about your wife -- not fun times ahead.  I self-graduated last weekend to a cane (was hexapod now a tripod) and will see doc on Tuesday, see what my status is.  Best wishes for her (and you). The headliner on the SL is also drooping and falling down, I guess when I can get the ha

Re: [MBZ] Not Benz but beautiful

2019-02-03 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
Yeah it is kinda bland looking, but for stealth mode maybe that is not too bad.  Looks kinda like a Ford Probe. The first car I got to regularly drive was my parents' 66 Bonneville, maroon with black interior.  That huge barge was very quick, my mom introduced me to full pedal travel in that c

Re: [MBZ] Finnie Fun

2019-02-03 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
I did a writeup for headliner replacement in the BW R129 forum, I believe. I’ll see if I can find it and post the link to you via PM. It’s actually pretty easy to do and not terribly expensive, either. This is wife’s “other” hip - she had her left hip replaced in 2014, I think. It was just a ma

Re: [MBZ] Finnie Fun

2019-02-03 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
Dash supplier in Turkey? Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 3, 2019, at 11:05 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes > wrote: > > Yup. Just chipping away. > > I’m juggling the logistics of the headliner replacement right now. I just > ordered my new reproduction dash pad from the supplier in Turkey, which >

Re: [MBZ] Finnie Fun

2019-02-03 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
Saw your writeup and the other guy's photos of the process, looks easy enough.  The headliner on there now is gray, I'm thinking black to replace it, maybe even buy a whole black leather skin to do it! --FT On 2/3/19 12:22 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: I did a writeup for headliner repla

[MBZ] 123trim

2019-02-03 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
does anyone know how the trim on the c pillar comes off?   This is at the line of the bottom of the windows and wraps around toward the bottom of the rear glass? Thanks! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ T

Re: [MBZ] 123trim

2019-02-03 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Wagon, sedan, or Coupe? On Feb 3, 2019 12:59 PM, "Curley McLain via Mercedes" wrote: > does anyone know how the trim on the c pillar comes off? This is at the > line of the bottom of the windows and wraps around toward the bottom of the > rear glass? > > Thanks! > > ___

Re: [MBZ] 123trim

2019-02-03 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
Probably --FT On 2/3/19 1:07 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: Wagon, sedan, or Coupe? On Feb 3, 2019 12:59 PM, "Curley McLain via Mercedes" wrote: does anyone know how the trim on the c pillar comes off? This is at the line of the bottom of the windows and wraps around toward the

Re: [MBZ] Finnie Fun

2019-02-03 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Yup. There’s a guy in Turkey who has been making reproduction dash pads for a number of years now. Only place you can get one. $800 versus over $1600 and 6-8 months to get yours redone by the dash guys in CA. Because of the packing and bulk it costs over $200 to ship one, but it’s still a good d

Re: [MBZ] 123trim

2019-02-03 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
123.123 sedan Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote on 2/3/19 12:07 PM: Wagon, sedan, or Coupe? On Feb 3, 2019 12:59 PM, "Curley McLain via Mercedes" wrote: does anyone know how the trim on the c pillar comes off? This is at the line of the bottom of the windows and wraps around toward th

Re: [MBZ] Not Benz but beautiful

2019-02-03 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
I agree it looks like a Mazda. -Curt On Sunday, February 3, 2019, 10:29:14 AM EST, Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote: Generally I love a Ferrari, but this model looks too much like a Japanese car to me. Maybe a different color would help? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC On February 3, 2019

Re: [MBZ] Finnie Fun

2019-02-03 Thread Dimitri via Mercedes
Does he do dash pads for other models? W123? W113? Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 3, 2019, at 1:33 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes > wrote: > > Yup. There’s a guy in Turkey who has been making reproduction dash pads for a > number of years now. Only place you can get one. $800 versus over $1600 and

Re: [MBZ] Finnie Fun

2019-02-03 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Never looked until now. Looks like he does W123 dash pads, don’t see anything for W113 but look around and drop him a note. https://www.ebay.com/str/w114selo/MERCEDES-w123/_i.html?_storecat=2012995012 -D > On Feb 3, 2019, at 2:45 PM, Dimitri wrote: > > Does he do dash pads for other models?

[MBZ] 87 SDL IP issue

2019-02-03 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
So I decided to fart around with this SDL I picked up a while back that runs like crap, seems like it’s only running on about 4 cylinders. In looking at the IP somebody at some point tried to do delivery valve seals except they did not have he socket. The things were chewed up and I had a hard t

Re: [MBZ] A Lexus Equivalent

2019-02-03 Thread Clay Monroe via Mercedes
Maybe an LS 400? Supposed to be of a good quality when new and sought after since it was very reliable. They held their value as used cars for many many years. If somebody has taken quality care of one, I would think it may be no worse than a w124. I do not think any japanese cars are going

Re: [MBZ] Not Benz but beautiful

2019-02-03 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
Further evidence the auto industry has lost it's soul. Sorry, any valid reason all car manufacturers only build the same boooring body line. Nothing about this car that excites me to see it.. coming or going. The badge could read Hyunda, or Nissan, just as easily and no one would know. Sad

Re: [MBZ] DIY Chrome Plating

2019-02-03 Thread Clay Monroe via Mercedes
Jay Leno and his garage were touting some water based spray on chrome product that looks good. clay monroe > I turned my computer upside down and shook it, but the bookmark for what I'm > looking for didn't fall out. > On Feb 2, 2019, at 6:09 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes > wrote: >

[MBZ] I’m out of shape

2019-02-03 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
It’s nearly 70 outside and I went as far as I could today with the SDL and need to order parts for other projects in line so I decided to move about a dozen hoods and trunk lids I had outside up against a fence about 10 feet into the barn. Got that job done and still need to move about 2 dozen b

[MBZ] Dehumidifier

2019-02-03 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
I think I should look into get a dehumidifier for the shop. During most of the week it’s closed up and dark and sometimes it gets damp from the humidity. Cars that are out there closed up sometimes get a little moldy. Anybody btdt? Sent from my iPhone ___ htt

Re: [MBZ] Finnie Fun

2019-02-03 Thread Dimitri via Mercedes
Wow. How about that! Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 3, 2019, at 3:23 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes > wrote: > > Never looked until now. Looks like he does W123 dash pads, don’t see anything > for W113 but look around and drop him a note. > > https://www.ebay.com/str/w114selo/MERCEDES-w123/_i.htm

Re: [MBZ] A Lexus Equivalent

2019-02-03 Thread Dimitri via Mercedes
Lexus is nasty trash. I have little respect for anyone who owns one. Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 3, 2019, at 3:40 PM, Clay Monroe via Mercedes > wrote: > > Maybe an LS 400? Supposed to be of a good quality when new and sought after > since it was very reliable. They held their value as use

Re: [MBZ] DIY Chrome Plating

2019-02-03 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
I’ll check that out. Really anything short of replating is a temporary fix and even a possible bodge. Fortunately I only really need the upper bumper pieces for the rear and the little trim strips on the rear doors. The rest of the chrome is in pretty good shape. The taillight housings are on t

Re: [MBZ] Dehumidifier

2019-02-03 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
just get an old furnace and put in aid cond.   That will dehumidify, and make the shop usable when you want to work:  Heat in winter, cool in summer. Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote on 2/3/19 3:37 PM: I think I should look into get a dehumidifier for the shop. During most of the week it’s

Re: [MBZ] 123trim

2019-02-03 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
I evolved from w123 sedans years ago and have driven a wagon since. There is no comparison. On Sun, Feb 3, 2019 at 2:22 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > 123.123 sedan > > > > Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote on 2/3/19 12:07 PM: > > Wagon, sedan, or Coupe? > > >

Re: [MBZ] Not Benz but beautiful

2019-02-03 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
That ain't no ordinary color - it's "rosso monza". On Sun, Feb 3, 2019 at 10:20 AM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > I really love this car > https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1995-ferrari-456-gt-4/ > > If you’d rather a (notso) Cheap class ... > https://bringatrail

Re: [MBZ] Dehumidifier

2019-02-03 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
I already have 2 overhead heaters out there. Just need to get a propane tank so I can use them. Have thought about installing an ac unit out there. Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 3, 2019, at 5:11 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes > wrote: > > just get an old furnace and put in aid cond. That wi

Re: [MBZ] 123trim

2019-02-03 Thread Dimitri via Mercedes
Hey, I like the sedans! Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 3, 2019, at 6:21 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes > wrote: > > I evolved from w123 sedans years ago and have driven a wagon since. There > is no comparison. > > On Sun, Feb 3, 2019 at 2:22 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes < > mercedes@okieb

Re: [MBZ] Not Benz but beautiful

2019-02-03 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Sun, 3 Feb 2019 13:42:15 -0700 G Mann via Mercedes wrote: > Further evidence the auto industry has lost it's soul. Sorry, any valid > reason all car manufacturers only build the same boooring body line. EPA fuel standards and aerodynamics. > Sad world we now live in, automotive wise. T

Re: [MBZ] I’m out of shape

2019-02-03 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
What do you call that? -D > On Feb 3, 2019, at 4:01 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes > wrote: > > It’s nearly 70 outside and I went as far as I could today with the SDL and > need to order parts for other projects in line so I decided to move about a > dozen hoods and trunk lids I had out

Re: [MBZ] Not Benz but beautiful

2019-02-03 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
I doubt that Ferrari cares about the fuel consumption standards, but they do care about aerodynamics - less drag = more speed. I still like the 275 GTB/4 the best though. On Sun, Feb 3, 2019 at 5:48 PM Craig via Mercedes wrote: > On Sun, 3 Feb 2019 13:42:15 -0700 G Mann via Mercedes > wrote: >

Re: [MBZ] I’m out of shape

2019-02-03 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
Old and fat Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 3, 2019, at 6:03 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes > wrote: > > What do you call that? > > -D > > >> On Feb 3, 2019, at 4:01 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> It’s nearly 70 outside and I went as far as I could today with the SDL and >

Re: [MBZ] I’m out of shape

2019-02-03 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
You can workout just organizing your collection and shop --- On Sun, Feb 3, 2019 at 3:01 PM Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > It’s nearly 70 outside and I went as far as I could today with the SDL and > need to order parts for other projects in line so I decided to

Re: [MBZ] I’m out of shape

2019-02-03 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Exactly my point. -D > On Feb 3, 2019, at 7:04 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote: > > You can workout just organizing your collection and shop --- > > On Sun, Feb 3, 2019 at 3:01 PM Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> It’s nearly 70 outside and I went as far as I

Re: [MBZ] Not Benz but beautiful

2019-02-03 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
I like the 308GT4. Only Ferrari that gets me going. -D > On Feb 3, 2019, at 7:03 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote: > > I doubt that Ferrari cares about the fuel consumption standards, but they > do care about aerodynamics - less drag = more speed. I still like the 275 > GTB/4 the best though. >

Re: [MBZ] I’m out of shape

2019-02-03 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
Yea, I need somebody with some organizational skills to help me with that project. Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 3, 2019, at 6:04 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote: > > You can workout just organizing your collection and shop --- > > On Sun, Feb 3, 2019 at 3:01 PM Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <

Re: [MBZ] 123trim

2019-02-03 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
I figure Dan or Dimitri or Kaleb knows how to get that trim strip off.   Does it have nuts on the inside, or does it pull off somehow?  I really don't want to ruin one to find out. Dimitri via Mercedes wrote on 2/3/19 5:42 PM: Hey, I like the sedans! 123.123 sedan does anyone know how

Re: [MBZ] 123trim

2019-02-03 Thread Dimitri via Mercedes
Unfortunately, I don’t know how to remove that bit of trim! Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 3, 2019, at 7:29 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes > wrote: > > I figure Dan or Dimitri or Kaleb knows how to get that trim strip off. Does > it have nuts on the inside, or does it pull off somehow? I rea

Re: [MBZ] 123trim

2019-02-03 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
You’re talking about the one at the bottom of the”C” pillar on the outside of the car? Look at post #5 in this thread at PP: http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/tech-help/296348-w123-exterior-trim-removal.html You’re welcome. :^) -D > On Feb 3, 2019, at 7:29 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes

[MBZ] C pillar trim for Curley

2019-02-03 Thread Dimitri via Mercedes
This pic I lifted off the Internet might help. Sent from my iPhone___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okieben

Re: [MBZ] I’m out of shape

2019-02-03 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
I just don’t see how you function around there. I’m no OCD maniac about my garage, but holy moley, I could never work in that nightmare. What OK Don says is only half of the problem - you need to put stuff away where it belongs when you’re done with it. Make a list of priorities, like getting y

Re: [MBZ] 123trim

2019-02-03 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
Thanks.  That is it.   The picture about taking out the center part is broken, but I get the idea now. Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote on 2/3/19 6:34 PM: You’re talking about the one at the bottom of the”C” pillar on the outside of the car? Look at post #5 in this thread at PP: http://www.peac

Re: [MBZ] 123trim

2019-02-03 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Pry the back or rear edge of the painted insert. It’s held in with pins. once the tow pins are released, the insert piece slides back and out. Then you can see the screws that hold the trim to the C pillar. Good to know, I never took one of those off. -D > On Feb 3, 2019, at 7:48 PM, Curley M

Re: [MBZ] 87 SDL IP issue

2019-02-03 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes
Take off the side plate, see if the rack is moving the #2 barrel. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC On February 3, 2019 3:26:38 PM EST, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" wrote: >So I decided to fart around with this SDL I picked up a while back that >runs like crap, seems like it’s only running on abo

Re: [MBZ] 87 SDL IP issue

2019-02-03 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
i'd guess the cam lobe is worn off, or more likely the bozo lost the element or something inside.   Since he screwed up the pump, my guess is that it will never run right unless you change the IP. The pump on my 400k SDL is great.   You could use it. Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote on 2/3/19 7

Re: [MBZ] 123trim

2019-02-03 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
I am pretty sure it just pulls off.  I believe it snaps into some clips that are around the front edge. On 2/3/2019 6:29 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote: I figure Dan or Dimitri or Kaleb knows how to get that trim strip off. Does it have nuts on the inside, or does it pull off somehow?  I

Re: [MBZ] I’m out of shape

2019-02-03 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
Yes, that is the plan.  I have a couple of cars I must get done then I do not plan on starting on anything else until I have the shop organized.  It will probably involve moving most of the cars out, take everything off of the shelves and throw everything in the middle, then start putting it aw

Re: [MBZ] 123trim

2019-02-03 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
I thought you were talking about the trim panel inside the car. So ignore my comment. On 2/3/2019 6:48 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote: Thanks. That is it.   The picture about taking out the center part is broken, but I get the idea now. Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote on 2/3/19 6:34 PM: Y

[MBZ] Finnie Fun For Today!

2019-02-03 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Tore out the dash, not pleasant. http://penoff.com/1965_220SEb_Blog/Entries/2019/2/3_Gotta_Dash.html -D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz

Re: [MBZ] I’m out of shape

2019-02-03 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Even in my little two car garage I have to do a semi-annual “reconciliation” to keep things in order. Toss out old unused stuff, make room for new stuff, send some things to deep storage. And I always finish my daily work by cleaning and putting away my tools. That way they’re always where I loo

[MBZ] Whazzit? (1980 240D)

2019-02-03 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
I finally got the steering lock in the 240D today.   One question, should I have put the key lock and the kryptonite security cover on the steering lock before I put it in?  I was thinking that the key lock could be removed with the steering lock in place, so the steering lock should go  in fir

[MBZ] Bulb Source

2019-02-03 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
For what it’s worth, I’ve been buying bulbs from these guys for a while and have been very pleased with the selection and prompt shipping. Most of what they sell is CEC brand bulbs, but if you buy bulbs from places like the Island of Large Wimmen that’s what you’re getting. I haven’t found that

Re: [MBZ] I’m out of shape

2019-02-03 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Sun, 3 Feb 2019 19:39:29 -0500 Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: > What OK Don says is only half of the problem - you need to put stuff > away where it belongs when you’re done with it. You mean the old adage, A place for everything and everything in its place. is really true afterall?

[MBZ] Marshall

2019-02-03 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
Scrolling thru available titles on Prime on my Firestick I come across Night of the Living Dead.  I see they also have a colorized version of this so out of curiosity I start playing it.  Saw Marshall listed in the opening credits.  Maybe I will go back and watch it later as its been years sinc

Re: [MBZ] Bulb Source

2019-02-03 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
I was just looking at bubs at autohausaz, and crockauto.   Both are pennies for small bubs, and $4xx for a headlight at crockauto.  Autohaus has the gear shift boot, and so far I have not found that at crockauto.  You get choices of sylvania, wagner, hella etc. at crock, and only good yuro bubs

[MBZ] dear Lord this is nice

2019-02-03 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1975-Mercedes-Benz-E-Class/183668497762?hash=item2ac37edd62:g:IccAAOSwaPNcV0XL:rk:65:pf:0&vxp=mtr --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www

Re: [MBZ] I’m out of shape

2019-02-03 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
Kaleb, One of the best investments I ever made was to purchase 240 ft. of 12 ft tall x 42 inch wide pallet racking and set it up with the first row of shelves 48 inches off the ground, so there was room for large heavy items [whole engines, etc.] Second best investment was a rolling warehouse ladde

[MBZ] pallet rack: wuz: I’m out of shape

2019-02-03 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
auctions will be cheaper for pallet rack.   if you can find the kind with a lip for 2x lumber, that is great for boxes and smaller stuff.  You put in 2Xs, the top  of them is level with the top of the pallet rack rail.  You can still stack pallets on them. The guys that resell used pallet rack

Re: [MBZ] dear Lord this is nice

2019-02-03 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
It certainly is RED, I'll give you that. Otherwise, it's an auto 240D - yawn …. On Sun, Feb 3, 2019 at 10:11 PM Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > https://www.ebay.com/itm/1975-Mercedes-Benz-E-Class/183668497762?hash=item2ac37edd62:g:IccAAOSwaPNcV0XL:rk:65:pf:0&vxp

Re: [MBZ] pallet rack: wuz: I’m out of shape

2019-02-03 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
The stuff I bought has a heavy gauge wire inserts that make up the "shelves". setup was easy, and the wire inserts will hold boxes, or pallets, or about anything. Previously, I had racks with 2x4's and it took forever to set up.. Wire is the way to go for ease. On Sun, Feb 3, 2019 at 9:56 PM Curl