Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D revisited

2015-10-10 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
2015 11:40 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D revisited > http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/5246852138.html I sure hate intermittents! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubs

Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D revisited

2015-10-10 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
What I found that probably does not fit the bill http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/5247862716.html Well, they're certainly proud of that! "Properly maintained the entirety of its life." and "timing chain just broke on it and it doesn't run. will need to be towed. Will make great project

Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D revisited

2015-10-10 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
What I found that probably does not fit the bill http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/5247862716.html Well, they're certainly proud of that! http://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/cto/5253972729.html Gas, ugh. Interesting possibility, though. "Doesn't run" covers a lot of ground, though. And

Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D revisited

2015-10-09 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
DAMN, I forgot your progeny was of that age! Goes by fast. Will be 14yo in a couple of weeks, that gives us a year and change to find/fix car before driving lessons begin. There is a really nice looking w115 by me. Driver door got smacked and is now gathering parking tickets. Not mine, but

Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D revisited

2015-10-09 Thread clay via Mercedes
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Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D revisited

2015-10-09 Thread clay via Mercedes
DAMN, I forgot your progeny was of that age! There is a really nice looking w115 by me. Driver door got smacked and is now gathering parking tickets. Not mine, but it should really go to a good home if the owner will part with it. Local w123 are either scrap or over priced at the moment.

Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D revisited

2015-10-09 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
Great criteria! Mine were the same, except I didn't demand manual trans. I want him to be able to drive anything. What he _chooses_ for himself, later, will then be up to him. Early days yet, no guarantee that an MB will be the final choice. But it's nice if it hasn't been eliminated already.

Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D revisited

2015-10-09 Thread Dwight Giles via Mercedes
Way to go Dimitri. Keep us posted. On Oct 8, 2015 6:37 PM, "Dimitri via Mercedes" wrote: > Winter is setting in and I need a winter beater as my China blue 240D is > still undergoing rust repair and I'm certainly not driving the BMW 2002 or > the pagoda in the snow! So, I went to flaps, bought a

Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D revisited

2015-10-08 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
#1 (and only) son now allows as to how a 240D 123 (manual) might be a contender as his first car. The Beetle is out because he's taking up the string bass. We already know that they basically don't fit in those, that's why the neighbors got rid of theirs. Anyway, once he hits 14yo this month ca

Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D revisited

2015-10-08 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
Excellent choice! Our youngest two learned to drive in the 240D Manual W123 (it was bought new by their great-grandfather). On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 8:59 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > #1 (and only) son now allows as to how a 240D 123 (manual) > might be a contender a

Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D revisited

2015-10-08 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
#1 (and only) son now allows as to how a 240D 123 (manual) might be a contender as his first car. The Beetle is out because he's taking up the string bass. We already know that they basically don't fit in those, that's why the neighbors got rid of theirs. Anyway, once he hits 14yo this month ca

Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D revisited

2015-10-08 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
rsday, October 8, 2015 6:37 PM Subject: [MBZ] Overheating 240D revisited Winter is setting in and I need a winter beater as my China blue 240D is still undergoing rust repair and I'm certainly not driving the BMW 2002 or the pagoda in the snow! So, I went to flaps, bought a bottle of blue

[MBZ] Overheating 240D revisited

2015-10-08 Thread Dimitri via Mercedes
Winter is setting in and I need a winter beater as my China blue 240D is still undergoing rust repair and I'm certainly not driving the BMW 2002 or the pagoda in the snow! So, I went to flaps, bought a bottle of blue devil head gasket fix and poured it into the radiator! So far so good. But you

Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info

2015-03-01 Thread Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
Lost coolant may not be obvious just by looking in the radiator if there is an air bubble in the block. I assume this car doesn't have a coolant recovery tank (my 123 didn't). I found it best to test for coolant system leaks using a pressure tester on a cold engine. Wet spots from small leaks

Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info

2015-03-01 Thread dseretakis--- via Mercedes
It lost some coolant but could be from known area around tstat housing cover. Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 1, 2015, at 2:48 PM, Jon Agne via Mercedes > wrote: > > What’s the coolant level? > > >> On Mar 1, 2015, at 2:13 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> Pressurized hoses on a

Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info

2015-03-01 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
Were the car mine, I would be very interested in why the system is still pressurized after setting overnight.. Dead cold cooling systems should not have pressure, so , to me, it speaks of combustion air incursion into the cooling system and likely, serious over pressure somehow.. although, the rad

Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info

2015-03-01 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes
Yes - good question, are you losing coolant? You've got at least one leak you know of, really need to fix that. Pressurized coolant system in the a.m. may or may not be a problem. Definitive test is to sample the coolant for presence of exhaust gas. Is 250 miles without an over-heat a signifi

Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info

2015-03-01 Thread Jon Agne via Mercedes
What’s the coolant level? > On Mar 1, 2015, at 2:13 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes > wrote: > > Pressurized hoses on a cold engine is not a good sign. This is typical of a > head problem. > > If it is more convenient, you can "borrow" a cooling system pressure tester > from most FLAPS for fr

Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info

2015-03-01 Thread Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
Pressurized hoses on a cold engine is not a good sign. This is typical of a head problem. If it is more convenient, you can "borrow" a cooling system pressure tester from most FLAPS for free. Actually, they charge it to your credit card when you get it and refund to your card when you return it.

Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info

2015-03-01 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
I thought that a pressurized system in the AM is the result of a cracked head or leaking head gasket. On Sun, Mar 1, 2015 at 12:53 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > So I've driven the car now for 250 miles with blocked open tstat and no > overheating. I'm noticing

Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info

2015-03-01 Thread dseretakis--- via Mercedes
So I've driven the car now for 250 miles with blocked open tstat and no overheating. I'm noticing that the cooling system is pressurized in the mornings. This morning I noticed that the upper and lower radiator hoses were moderately swollen, and there was a puff of air when I removed radiator c

Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info

2015-02-28 Thread dseretakis--- via Mercedes
Yes. No way I'm doing that in these ridiculous temps. A nice summer project! Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 28, 2015, at 7:35 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote: > > On Thu, 26 Feb 2015 17:16:13 -0600 Peter Frederick via Mercedes > wrote: > >> Now that you have a forced open thermostat, it's time to

Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info

2015-02-28 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Thu, 26 Feb 2015 17:16:13 -0600 Peter Frederick via Mercedes wrote: > Now that you have a forced open thermostat, it's time to do a citric > acid flush. > > You will need a kilogram of food grade citric acid (should be able to > find that fairly easily without spending the money for analy

Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info

2015-02-26 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
I put all new hoses on the car... Curt Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_ok

Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info

2015-02-26 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
Guys, It is not that weird. That would be really weird! I need to test car for a few more days to confirm. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 26, 2015, at 4:48 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes wrote: > 3 bad thermostats at least? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info

2015-02-26 Thread dseretakis--- via Mercedes
That would be really weird! I need to test car for a few more days to confirm. Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 26, 2015, at 4:48 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes > wrote: > > 3 bad thermostats at least? > On Feb 26, 2015 4:42 PM, "Randy Bennell via Mercedes" > wrote: > >>> On 26/02/2015 2:56 PM,

Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info

2015-02-26 Thread Peter Frederick via Mercedes
Now that you have a forced open thermostat, it's time to do a citric acid flush. You will need a kilogram of food grade citric acid (should be able to find that fairly easily without spending the money for analytical grade). Dissolve in a gallon of water. Empty cooling system, including

Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info

2015-02-26 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
This all makes no sense since they swapped out the radiator. The car is cursed. On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 5:47 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > I just remembered a similar problem a friend had that no mechanic in the > small town where we lived could explain. It tur

Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info

2015-02-26 Thread archer75--- via Mercedes
I just remembered a similar problem a friend had that no mechanic in the small town where we lived could explain. It turned out that a piece of the rubber that lined one of the radiator hoses was periodically blocking the water flow. Since there were bends in the radiator hose, no one could che

Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info

2015-02-26 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
Even if the thermostat is bad, I would do a pressure flush of the block from the bottom radiator hose up to "blow out anything that might be in the block passages", just to be sure. This car has had a rather long history of overheat issues, spanning two owners.. with a number of "fixes" which

Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info

2015-02-26 Thread Dwight Giles via Mercedes
3 bad thermostats at least? On Feb 26, 2015 4:42 PM, "Randy Bennell via Mercedes" wrote: > On 26/02/2015 2:56 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: > >> On the one hand I hope this fixes the issue because I'd like to see it >> fixed. On the other hand I really hope this isn't it... >> >> Curt >> >

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2015-02-26 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes
On 26/02/2015 2:56 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: On the one hand I hope this fixes the issue because I'd like to see it fixed. On the other hand I really hope this isn't it... Curt So, if this did "fix" it, then the verdict would be a bad thermostat?? RB

Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info

2015-02-26 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
On the one hand I hope this fixes the issue because I'd like to see it fixed. On the other hand I really hope this isn't it... Curt Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsub

Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info

2015-02-26 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Thu, 26 Feb 2015 13:12:51 -0500 dseretakis--- via Mercedes wrote: > So if the car had a head issue, would the temp drop from almost red > zone to normal like that by engine breaking down a hill? When you let off the throttle, the amount of fuel injected goes to almost zero (or exactly zero, d

Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info

2015-02-26 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 1:12 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > So if the car had a head issue, would the temp drop from almost red zone > to normal like that by engine breaking down a hill? > > BTW, I've been driving with forced open tstat now and the temp gauge read

Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info

2015-02-26 Thread dseretakis--- via Mercedes
So if the car had a head issue, would the temp drop from almost red zone to normal like that by engine breaking down a hill? BTW, I've been driving with forced open tstat now and the temp gauge reads stone cold, even after a 15 minutes 65 mph highway drive. It will not budge. Sent from my iPhon

Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info

2015-02-26 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
gassers control combustion by a flapper in the air intake, controlling airflow into the cyl. Diesels run at full air flow all the time, combustion is controlled with fuel. In effect coasting downhill, the fuel is shut off, no heat occurrs and the cylinders are washed with lotsa cool air. not

Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info

2015-02-26 Thread dseretakis--- via Mercedes
Still not sure I understand why engine braking especially down hill would lower temps dramatically. Perhaps it causes an air bubble to dislodge? Anyway, I just forced the tstat open with a piece of brass tubing. Let's see what that does. If I get no answers, I will take car to radiator shop. T

Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info

2015-02-25 Thread fmiser via Mercedes
> dseretakis--- wrote: > > Interestingly, I noticed that heavy engine braking down hill > would bring the temps from almost in the red to normal, but once > I started accelerating the temp would rise again. Wonder why it > did that? At idle, most diesel engines produce very little heat. With the

Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info

2015-02-25 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
Yup, it's NOT fixed. I drove the piss out of it today and it was fine. The lower rad hose started warming up indicating coolant circulation. No overheating. Then went to a friend's house and on way back it started again, temp rising, no heat, the usual. It was a 7 mile trip back home that requi

Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info

2015-02-25 Thread dseretakis--- via Mercedes
Yup, it's NOT fixed. I drove the piss out of it today and it was fine. The lower rad hose started warming up indicating coolant circulation. No overheating. Then went to a friend's house and on way back it started again, temp rising, no heat, the usual. It was a 7 mile trip back home that requir

Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info

2015-02-25 Thread dseretakis--- via Mercedes
I have one in ME but not with me here in MA. Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 25, 2015, at 11:18 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes > wrote: > > You really need to get an IR thermometer and get a map of temperatures on the > engine, hoses and radiator. That will yield a significant amount of > informa

Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info

2015-02-25 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes
On 25/02/2015 3:45 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: OK, I'll bite. Just how cold is it, Randy? Preferably in degrees F. right now - 4:15 on Wednesday, it is -16C or about 3F. Nice bright sunny day. A bit of wind though. Spring is coming. RB ___

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2015-02-25 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
OK, I'll bite. Just how cold is it, Randy? Preferably in degrees F. On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 4:31 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Dan wrote: >> >> It's not so much the exact >temperatures, but the differences >in >>> temperature between the >locations. In other w

Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info

2015-02-25 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
Dan wrote: It's not so much the exact >temperatures, but the differences >in temperature between the >locations. In other words, Delta. Rick Sent from my BlackBerry T T= Temperature ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.ok

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2015-02-25 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes
‎Dan wrote: >It's not so much the exact >temperatures, but the differences >in temperature >between the >locations. In other words, Delta.  Rick Sent from my BlackBerry Z10 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive

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2015-02-25 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
No, not the exact temps, but the patterns - the head is x degrees hotter than the top of the radiator, which is y degrees hotter than the lower rad hose, all relative to the T-stat housing, under these conditions (ambient temp, miles driven at z average speed, etc.). On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 12:06

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2015-02-25 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
It's not so much the exact temperatures, but the differences in temperature between the locations. In other words, I would expect to see the top radiator hose be hot and the lower to be cool, for example. This gives you a really good view into whether or not the system is working as intended.

Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info

2015-02-25 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes
True. Should help. RB who does not have one of those cars and wouldn't be able to get it started right now if he did On 25/02/2015 11:06 AM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote: It would be nice if someone else with a properly working 240D would map theirs for comparison. On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 10:1

Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info

2015-02-25 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
It would be nice if someone else with a properly working 240D would map theirs for comparison. On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 10:18 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > You really need to get an IR thermometer and get a map of temperatures on > the engine, hoses and radiator. Th

Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info

2015-02-25 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
You really need to get an IR thermometer and get a map of temperatures on the engine, hoses and radiator. That will yield a significant amount of information as far as what's going on both in the engine and radiator. Dan Unlike the Hi Lift jack, the HF IR thermometers are adequate for this.

Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info

2015-02-25 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
You really need to get an IR thermometer and get a map of temperatures on the engine, hoses and radiator. That will yield a significant amount of information as far as what's going on both in the engine and radiator. Dan Sent from my iPad > On Feb 25, 2015, at 11:06 AM, Randy Bennell via Merce

Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info

2015-02-25 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes
On 25/02/2015 1:20 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote: ‎dsereta...@yahoo.com; wrote No overheating. Heat working >fine. Popped hood when arrived home, >felt lower radiator hose and it was >stone cold. Sounds like problem solved to me. The lower radiator hose is cold and the heater is warm, bec

Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info

2015-02-25 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
I thought it was .357? I don't know anything about shell casings or guns. Good question about how to keep it from dislodging! I think I used 9mm, not sure. Just grabbed something from the brass bucket that looked like it would fit. I used pliers to crimp the slit shut once it was over the rod.

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2015-02-24 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes
‎dsereta...@yahoo.com; wrote  >No overheating. Heat working >fine.  >Popped hood when arrived home, >felt lower radiator hose and it was >stone >cold. Sounds like problem solved to me.  The lower radiator hose is cold and the heater is warm, because the engine cooling system is working as desig

Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info

2015-02-24 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Radiator runs ICE COLD! On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 4:53 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Just picked up car from the mechanic. I drive it back about 25 minutes > local inner city driving and some small highway. No overheating. Heat > working fine. Popped hood when arr

Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info

2015-02-24 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Tue, 24 Feb 2015 18:38:07 -0500 dseretakis--- via Mercedes wrote: > It was no more than 15 degrees out when I was driving so maybe you are > right that coolant is losing heat in radiator prior to returning to > engine. Interesting hypothesis! You can block the radiator with cardboard while yo

Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info

2015-02-24 Thread fmiser via Mercedes
> dseretakis--- wrote: > > As far as Jim Cathey's mod, I don't have a shell casing so will > be using 3/8 copper pipe. What length is good? The one I made is 18 mm long. I used a piece of copper tube. The length isn't super critical - as long as it is long enough. The Behr I modified has 6

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2015-02-24 Thread dseretakis--- via Mercedes
It was no more than 15 degrees out when I was driving so maybe you are right that coolant is losing heat in radiator prior to returning to engine. Interesting hypothesis! Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 24, 2015, at 6:32 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes > wrote: > > What is the outside temp?

Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info

2015-02-24 Thread Peter Frederick via Mercedes
What is the outside temp? Around here I'd be shocked if the lower radiator hose was warm at all even driving around in town, it's 17 at the moment, and the coolant will lose all the heat in the radiator long before it goes back into the engine. T-Stat is probably just cracked open, unlik

Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info

2015-02-24 Thread dseretakis--- via Mercedes
I thought it was .357? I don't know anything about shell casings or guns. Good question about how to keep it from dislodging! Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 24, 2015, at 6:06 PM, Randy Bennell wrote: > > what sort of shell casing was Jim suggesting? > > If one knew that, then one might make a pr

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2015-02-24 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes
On 24/02/2015 3:53 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes wrote: Just picked up car from the mechanic. I drive it back about 25 minutes local inner city driving and some small highway. No overheating. Heat working fine. Popped hood when arrived home, felt lower radiator hose and it was stone cold. Cle

Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info

2015-02-24 Thread dseretakis--- via Mercedes
Just picked up car from the mechanic. I drive it back about 25 minutes local inner city driving and some small highway. No overheating. Heat working fine. Popped hood when arrived home, felt lower radiator hose and it was stone cold. Clearly there is no flow. Time for Cathey tstat trick. Sent

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2015-02-23 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
No, just slapdash. On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 12:45 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Andrew has ADD? > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Feb 23, 2015, at 12:03 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > >> On 22/02/2015 3:45 PM, Andrew Strasfo

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2015-02-23 Thread dseretakis--- via Mercedes
Bubbles have never appeared in coolant. Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 23, 2015, at 12:42 PM, G Mann via Mercedes > wrote: > > Run the engine with the radiator cap off, while you watch the coolant > through the filler neck. > > If you see bubbles in the coolant while it is running, you have a c

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2015-02-23 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
Run the engine with the radiator cap off, while you watch the coolant through the filler neck. If you see bubbles in the coolant while it is running, you have a cracked head, block cavitation, or leaking head gasket causing combustion air intrusion into coolant system. IF, as engine temp increases

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2015-02-23 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes
On 22/02/2015 3:45 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: I say the temperature gauge is faulty. Pay attention Andrew. It overheats and spews coolant out of the overflow hose. If it was just an issue of a bad sensor or gauge, it would tell you it was hot but it would not spew coolant. RB

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2015-02-23 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes
On 21/02/2015 7:53 AM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes wrote: I will do the tstat trick when I get the car back from the mechanic if it's not "fixed". Keep in mind that our winter has been absolutely brutal and the last thing I want to do is work on cars in this weather! How about the oil and co

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2015-02-23 Thread dseretakis--- via Mercedes
I will continue the troubleshooting when I get it back from Indy. I promise. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 23, 2015, at 9:05 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote: >> Now you're just getting silly. It originally smelled hot because it WAS hot. >> The temp gauge was pegged, the heater wasn't leaki

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2015-02-23 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
Now you're just getting silly. It originally smelled hot because it WAS hot. The temp gauge was pegged, the heater wasn't leaking, the radiator hose fell off remember? You are right that coolant is leaking, it comes right out the radiator fill, you can watch it happen. A radiator cap strong eno

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2015-02-23 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
cap strong enough to prevent that happening would make the radiator or its hoses rupture. You shouldn't need the radiator cap present to prevent overheating at idle... -Curt From: Curly McLain via Mercedes To: Mercedes Discussion List Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 8:39 AM Su

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2015-02-23 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
This a strong hint towards a cracked head or gasket. or air in the system that is not getting burped out. or leakage Any good radiator shop can check for exhaust gas in the coolant. lets diagnose the problem. The headgasket was condemned before without diagnosis. Changing the headgasket d

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2015-02-23 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
Hans Neureiter wrote: This a strong hint towards a cracked head or gasket. In the past we had the heads "magnafluxed". Is that still the way to check for head cracks? Gerry FOr cast iron heads, yes. In the case of OM621, OM615 to OM617 heads, the cracks generally are visible to the naked

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2015-02-23 Thread archer75--- via Mercedes
Hans Neureiter wrote: > This a strong hint towards a cracked head or gasket. In the past we had the heads "magnafluxed". Is that still the way to check for head cracks? Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive

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2015-02-23 Thread Hans Neureiter via Mercedes
This a strong hint towards a cracked head or gasket. On Feb 22, 2015 4:06 PM, "Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes" < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > I keep on forgetting the boiling over stuff. > > On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 4:56 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > Fa

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2015-02-22 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
However, you can only see the outside. It is possible that a crack is between ports inside. the symptoms don't sound like a cracked head though. The best theory that I've heard so far is the floating piece of crap that blocks a passage sometimes, and not others. Perhaps (and this is a wild guess)

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2015-02-22 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
However, you can only see the outside. It is possible that a crack is between ports inside. the symptoms don't sound like a cracked head though. The best theory that I've heard so far is the floating piece of crap that blocks a passage sometimes, and not others. Perhaps (and this is a wild guess) i

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2015-02-22 Thread dseretakis--- via Mercedes
Yes I couldn't see any flaws either. Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 22, 2015, at 8:16 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes > wrote: > > I cleaned & carefully examined the head & block when we changed the head > gasket. I saw nothing indicating a crack. > On Feb 22, 2015 6:37 PM, "Curly McLain via Merce

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2015-02-22 Thread Dwight Giles via Mercedes
I cleaned & carefully examined the head & block when we changed the head gasket. I saw nothing indicating a crack. On Feb 22, 2015 6:37 PM, "Curly McLain via Mercedes" wrote: > Ah, thanks for the update. >> >> So, the next obvious thing should be to pull the head and have it >> pressured >> teste

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2015-02-22 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
Ah, thanks for the update. So, the next obvious thing should be to pull the head and have it pressured tested, no? The initial cause was a loss of coolant, so checking all those other things doesn't make much sense really. Jaime There are many much less difficult tests that will point toward

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2015-02-22 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
I keep on forgetting the boiling over stuff. On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 4:56 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Faulty temperature gauge won't make it pressurize and spill coolant! > > Peter > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To

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2015-02-22 Thread Peter Frederick via Mercedes
Faulty temperature gauge won't make it pressurize and spill coolant! Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercede

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2015-02-22 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
A faulty temp gauge does not cause coolant to spew out - - - I recommend finding another engine and swapping them. On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 3:45 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > I say the temperature gauge is faulty. > -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of gove

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2015-02-22 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
e issue to go away. Somewhere in the troubleshooting phase I > replaced > > the > > >> thermostat which changed nothing. > > >> I needed a car so I bought the Jetta and the 240D sat unloved for a > year > > >> until I hauled it to Dimitri. > > >&g

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2015-02-22 Thread Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes
d the 240D sat unloved for a year > >> until I hauled it to Dimitri. > >> There have been 3 thermostats in the car from 3 different sources since > >> the issue started. I find it far fetched that all three (2 of which test > >> good in a pan of water) would fail in

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2015-02-22 Thread dseretakis--- via Mercedes
have been 3 thermostats in the car from 3 different sources since >> the issue started. I find it far fetched that all three (2 of which test >> good in a pan of water) would fail in exactly the same way but only >> sometimes. >> Up to date? >> -Curt >> From:

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2015-02-22 Thread Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes
ce > the issue started. I find it far fetched that all three (2 of which test > good in a pan of water) would fail in exactly the same way but only > sometimes. > Up to date? > -Curt > From: Curly McLain via Mercedes > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Sent: Saturday

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2015-02-22 Thread dseretakis--- via Mercedes
. I find it far fetched that all three (2 of which test >> good in a pan of water) would fail in exactly the same way but only >> sometimes. >> Up to date? >> -Curt >> From: Curly McLain via Mercedes >> To: Mercedes Discussion List >> Sent: Saturday, Februa

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2015-02-22 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
only > sometimes. > Up to date? > -Curt > From: Curly McLain via Mercedes > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 8:27 PM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info > > Has anyone tried turning the heater and fan on full blast when it is

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2015-02-22 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
sometimes. Up to date? -Curt From: Curly McLain via Mercedes To: Mercedes Discussion List Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 8:27 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info Has anyone tried turning the heater and fan on full blast when it is overheating?  that is an old time

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2015-02-21 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
OK Don sez: Concord? The prince of darkness was involved with that too. Renault Labor strikes, low productivity ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://m

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2015-02-21 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
If the flap on the bottom of the thermostat isn't correct, it won't work properly and will cause overheating if it doesn't close off the short circuit around the block it is supposed to seal off. This is designed to heat the engine up more quickly, and in spite of the very simple design, I'm a

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2015-02-21 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
Curly wrote: The thermostat I put in was marked "Made in France" ... Third world country. Not exactly known for making fine machinery. Airbus? mao Exactly ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Un

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2015-02-21 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
Concord? On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 4:58 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Curly wrote: > >> The thermostat I put in was marked "Made in France" > > ... > > > Third world country. Not exactly known for making fine machinery. > > > > Airbus? > mao > > -- OK Don NSA

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2015-02-21 Thread Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
At the risk of being redumdant ... The thermostat needs to be installed in a particular orientation (arrow up). There is an air vent passage in the thermostat casting to vent trapped air the thermostat; if plugged this would prevent proper bleeding of air when re-filling the system.

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2015-02-21 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes
‎From Mao: Curly wrote: >>> The thermostat I put in was marked "Made in France" ... >> Third world country.   Not >>exactly known for making fine >>machinery. > >Airbus? Now that's redundant.   http://www.airsafe.com/events/models/rate_mod.htm http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEH7OpnA-I4&sns=e

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2015-02-21 Thread Mountain Man via Mercedes
Curly wrote: >> The thermostat I put in was marked "Made in France" ... > Third world country. Not exactly known for making fine machinery. > Airbus? mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe o

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2015-02-21 Thread Dwight Giles via Mercedes
Yes but the current thermostat came from the classic center right? On Feb 21, 2015 10:24 AM, "Peter Frederick via Mercedes" < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > If the flap on the bottom of the thermostat isn't correct, it won't work > properly and will cause overheating if it doesn't close off the s

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2015-02-21 Thread Peter Frederick via Mercedes
If the flap on the bottom of the thermostat isn't correct, it won't work properly and will cause overheating if it doesn't close off the short circuit around the block it is supposed to seal off. This is designed to heat the engine up more quickly, and in spite of the very simple design, I

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2015-02-21 Thread Jon Agne via Mercedes
If your indy has modified the T-stat, then you may need another. > On Feb 21, 2015, at 8:53 AM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes > wrote: > > I will do the tstat trick when I get the car back from the mechanic if it's > not "fixed". > Keep in mind that our winter has been absolutely brutal and the

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