I also suggest it is not a fair comparison as I suspect that Mercedes
generally get better care than GM products that are considered to be
throw away items.
However, I also think that the newere north american vehicles do stand
up better than the older ones did. My 10 year old F150 has 150K mi
On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 10:48 AM, andrew strasfogel
wrote:
> At Mecum Auction in Monterey a red 1957 Cadillac Biarritz convertible sold
> for way over $100K. It was basically a restored museum piece.
So in 2041 a restored '87 Cimmaron will be worth $100,000 adjusted for
inflation?
Alex
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At Mecum Auction in Monterey a red 1957 Cadillac Biarritz convertible sold
for way over $100K. It was basically a restored museum piece.
On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 10:51 AM, Donald Snook wrote:
> I wrote: "That was the Cimarron. It was not based on the J Body Cavalier -
> not the Citation."
>
> I
I wrote: "That was the Cimarron. It was not based on the J Body Cavalier - not
the Citation."
I meant it WAS based on the J body which is a Cavalier not the citation.
Donald H. Snook
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Wilton wrote: "Was Citation the "cheap" little Cadillac? If not, what was that
POS called,
other than POS, that is?"
That was the Cimarron. It was not based on the J Body Cavalier - not the
Citation.
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Peter wrote: "I've heard that GM finally learned not to make cars form junkyard
parts, but I'll believe it when I see one 25 years old with 300,000
miles on it working well with minimal mechanicing, like my Benz."
I had just under 300,000 miles on my 1984 Oldsmobile Delta 88 when I sold it in
199
;> called, other than POS, that is?
>>
>> Wilton
>>
>> - Original Message - From: "Peter Frederick" <
>> psf...@earthlink.net>
>> To: "Mercedes Discussion List"
>> Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 12:20 PM
>> S
es Discussion List"
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 12:20 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Citation
The only thing really wrong with those cars was the GM tendency to
make junk parts and cheat on everything. The sheetmetat was crap,
the plastic parts weren't made right (and the managers at th
WILTON wrote:
Oh, I really messed it up! I meant VEGA, VEGA!
I believe the 1977 Vega had the 2.5L Iron Duke engine that was still going
strong in my 210kmi Citation. Still not as solid a car/drivetrain as a Nova though.
Most of the earlier aluminum engine Vegas did OK until the first time t
Oh, I really messed it up! I meant VEGA, VEGA!
Wilton
- Original Message -
From: "Mitch Haley"
To: "Mercedes Discussion List"
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 6:35 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Citation
!977 was a horrible year for new car emissions/driveability
011 6:15 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Citation
Pictures please.
--R
On 8/20/11 5:47 PM, WILTON wrote:
She called and said she and a friend, another mighty fine-looking,
20-year-old blonde,
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Uh-oh, Kaleb is listed on their resource page...
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Rich Thomas wrote:
awesomeness
--R
On 8/20/11 5:57 PM, LWB250 wrote:
> If you remember the Cimarron, you'll enjoy this:
>
> http://mars.superlink.net/~rriegler/sml/
>
>
!977 was a horrible year for new car emissions/driveability, unless you bought
something inherently clean, like a Saab 99 (just a little passive air injection
in the exhaust headers) or CVCC Honda.
That said, the Chevy 250, 305, and 350 were all very solid engines in 1977, same
for the THM350
Pictures please.
--R
On 8/20/11 5:47 PM, WILTON wrote:
She called and said she and a friend, another mighty fine-looking,
20-year-old blonde,
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awesomeness
--R
On 8/20/11 5:57 PM, LWB250 wrote:
If you remember the Cimarron, you'll enjoy this:
http://mars.superlink.net/~rriegler/sml/
Dan
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If you remember the Cimarron, you'll enjoy this:
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Dan
From: WILTON
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 5:30 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Citation
Yep, Cimarron, I remembered that 'bout
scussion List"
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 4:17 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Citation
WILTON wrote:
Was Citation the "cheap" little Cadillac? If not, what was that POS
called, other than POS, that is?
Oh, and the Citation/Omega/Phoenix/Skylark was the 1980 FWD replacement
for the
Yep, Cimarron, I remembered that 'bout 5 min ago. Thanks.
Wilton
- Original Message -
From: "Mitch Haley"
To: "Mercedes Discussion List"
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 4:03 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Citation
WILTON wrote:
Was Citation the "cheap"
WILTON wrote:
Was Citation the "cheap" little Cadillac? If not, what was that POS
called, other than POS, that is?
Oh, and the Citation/Omega/Phoenix/Skylark was the 1980 FWD replacement for the
old RWD Nova/Omega/Phoenix/Skylark.
My dad had a 1977 Nova that he sold at about 150,000 miles
WILTON wrote:
Was Citation the "cheap" little Cadillac? If not, what was that POS
called, other than POS, that is?
Cavalier, I mean Cimarron.
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Was Citation the "cheap" little Cadillac? If not, what was that POS called,
other than POS, that is?
Wilton
- Original Message -
From: "Peter Frederick"
To: "Mercedes Discussion List"
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 12:20 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ci
Definitely.
My 2004 Focus ZXW wagon is at 142,000 right now. No rattles, noises or any sort
of troubles, other than a rear wheel bearing that was my fault for curbing the
wheel.
Just got back from the dealer for a "The Works" visit ($32.00) with a clean
bill of health.
I fully expect to drive
Peter Frederick writes:
> I've heard that GM finally learned not to make cars form junkyard
> parts, but I'll believe it when I see one 25 years old with 300,000
> miles on it working well with minimal mechanicing, like my Benz.
I'm not sure I believe that GM is there yet. I think Ford is a lot
The only thing really wrong with those cars was the GM tendency to
make junk parts and cheat on everything. The sheetmetat was crap,
the plastic parts weren't made right (and the managers at the
production plants lied about it) quality control was about par with a
Soviet factory, etc.
Th
saved in fuel considering other than the initial "tuneup" I'd never done
anything other than put fuel in it.
-Curt
Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 00:32:47 -0400
From: Mitch Haley
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Citation
Message-ID: <4e4f38ef.4050...@voyager.net>
relng...@aol.com wrote:
You, sir, are a masochist.
In 1985, there was no such thing as a $500 300SD, so I made do with what I could
afford. Considering I paid $435 for it in 1985 and put about 64,000 miles on it
in the next four years, I don't see how I could have done better. When I lived
> ...Had one of the first ones, 4 cylinder, 4 speed, five door, F41
> suspension.
> Back seat folded flush with the trunk floor just like a Saab Wagonback.
> Best little truck I ever owned, and the first car I owned past 200,000
> miles...
>
You, sir, are a masochist.
RLE
>
>
since my initial observation. 'Turned back and landed very nicely the RIGHT
way.
Wilton
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From: "Chuck Landenberger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List"
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 6:19 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Citat
Chuck Landenberger wrote:
Wilton,
You ever make a downwind landing on purpose and successfully?
Probably not on a 2900' runway with a plane that's rated for 2900' in still air
and 3500' with a 10 kt tailwind.
Mitch.
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Wilton Strickland wrote:
Wonko, you didn't know a Citation could taxi on/in water a la SA-16, did ya?
All you need are a pressurized cabin and high engines.
Speaking of which, the electronics that went all Christine when they got wet,
were they underneath the pressurized cabin area?
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Wilton,
You ever make a downwind landing on purpose and successfully? I
suppose it naturally would be "yes" when one is in battle conditions.
Chuck
On Oct 22, 2008, at 2:44 PM, Wilton Strickland wrote:
My first thought, too.
Wilton
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Wonko, you didn't know a Citation could taxi on/in water a la SA-16, did ya?
Wilton
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From: "Mitch Haley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List"
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 10:45 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Citation bye
My first thought, too.
Wilton
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From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List"
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 5:04 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Citation bye bye
> If it were me and I saw I was not going to get
x27;course he was
still trying to stop.
Wilton
- Original Message -
From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List"
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 2:40 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Citation bye bye
That was something else. Glad I watch
Surprised pilot didn't go to CUTOFF as it went off the end, 'course he was
still trying to stop.
Wilton
- Original Message -
From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List"
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 2:40 PM
ist"
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 10:45 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Citation bye bye
Wilton Strickland wrote:
WOW! I didn't see the part with the spoolup. 'Guesss I cut it too
soon.
I've lost the link. Anybody have it?
I think it was about six minutes in.
http://aviation-saf
Damn Thanks.
Wilton
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From: "Mitch Haley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List"
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 10:45 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Citation bye bye
> Wilton Strickland wrote:
> > WOW! I didn't s
Wilton Strickland wrote:
WOW! I didn't see the part with the spoolup. 'Guesss I cut it too soon.
I've lost the link. Anybody have it?
I think it was about six minutes in.
http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=20050515-0
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WOW! I didn't see the part with the spoolup. 'Guesss I cut it too soon.
I've lost the link. Anybody have it?
Wilton
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From: "Mitch Haley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List"
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008
Wilton Strickland wrote:
'Thought it crashed (overran runway) on landing - downwind.
'Bet the engine got a good splashing, though - too far forward in the engine
for water injection. ;-
But, after the crash, after they got everybody off the plane, at least one
engine loudly spooled up an
'Thought it crashed (overran runway) on landing - downwind.
'Bet the engine got a good splashing, though - too far forward in the engine
for water injection. ;-
Wilton
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To:
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 12:08 AM
S
> ...Was it idling and something caused it to spool up while unattended, or
> did it
> start the starboard engine all by itself? I was sure it would ingest water
> and
> spit out a bunch of turbine blades, but nothing that spectacular happened...
>
Wet electronics. And the engine inlet was well
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