Re: [MBZ] Golden Age? Finding 80s Autos (now heading into a rant)

2006-12-18 Thread kevin kraly
State Troopers are running around in Ford Exploders. They should be running around in TROOPERS! Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 265K miles, Ursula

Re: [MBZ] Golden Age? Finding 80s Autos (now heading into a rant)

2006-12-18 Thread Zoltan Finks
I wouldn't want to see those training videos. Brian On 12/18/06, kevin kraly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: State Troopers are running around in Ford Exploders. They should be running around in TROOPERS! Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 265K miles, Ursula

Re: [MBZ] Golden Age? Finding 80s Autos (now heading into a rant)

2006-12-18 Thread Ed Booher
On 12/16/06, David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Zoltan Finks wrote: And that is scary. I want performance cars only in the hands of those trained or capable of handling them. A Crown Vic Police Interceptor is not really a performance car. It's A Crown Vic may not be, haven't driven

Re: [MBZ] Golden Age? Finding 80s Autos (now heading into a rant)

2006-12-18 Thread Ed Booher
On 12/18/06, Ed Booher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A Crown Vic may not be, haven't driven one, but I owned a 9C1 Caprice that would keep up with a Vette in the straights. Obviously the Vette Better pepper that it was a last model 90's Caprice and C4 90's Standard stock Vette. Not a Grand

Re: [MBZ] Golden Age? Finding 80s Autos (now heading into a rant)

2006-12-18 Thread Ed Booher
On 12/17/06, David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Zoltan Finks wrote: what boxes were checked on the order form. The only way to be absolutely sure whether a car was ordered as a police package model is to look at the VIN. A true P71 will always have black corners around the license frame

Re: [MBZ] Golden Age? Finding 80s Autos (now heading into a rant)

2006-12-18 Thread Zoltan Finks
Oh yeah, my wife went to IU. Bloomington looks like a fun place to live for relatively young folks like us. About the only place I'd personally want to live in IN (no offense). Living there would make the trip to go see her family (like we're doing Friday - DREAD) a much shorter trip. I have

Re: [MBZ] Golden Age? Finding 80s Autos (now heading into a rant)

2006-12-17 Thread Zoltan Finks
And that is scary. I want performance cars only in the hands of those trained or capable of handling them. Brian David wrote: Here they all use surplus cop cars.

Re: [MBZ] Golden Age? Finding 80s Autos (now heading into a rant)

2006-12-17 Thread Mitch Haley
Zoltan Finks wrote: And that is scary. I want performance cars only in the hands of those trained or capable of handling them. So you want them kept out of the hands of cops?

Re: [MBZ] Golden Age? Finding 80s Autos (now heading into a rant)

2006-12-17 Thread David Brodbeck
Zoltan Finks wrote: And that is scary. I want performance cars only in the hands of those trained or capable of handling them. A Crown Vic Police Interceptor is not really a performance car. It's got basically the same engine as a V-8 Mustang and considerably more weight. 0-60 times are

Re: [MBZ] Golden Age? Finding 80s Autos (now heading into a rant)

2006-12-17 Thread Chris Kueny
mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 8:40 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Golden Age? Finding 80s Autos (now heading into a rant) Zoltan Finks wrote: And that is scary. I want performance cars only in the hands of those trained or capable of handling them. A Crown Vic Police Interceptor

Re: [MBZ] Golden Age? Finding 80s Autos (now heading into a rant)

2006-12-17 Thread David Brodbeck
Chris Kueny wrote: A visual cue to the police package is the dual exhaust. So there are some small hardware differences. Yeah, that's good for a small horsepower gain. It's also found on Crown Victorias with the trailer towing package. It's one of the few examples of a modern car with a

Re: [MBZ] Golden Age? Finding 80s Autos (now heading into a rant)

2006-12-17 Thread Steve MacSween
on 12/16/06 4:56 PM, David Brodbeck at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steve MacSween wrote: Now I see your comment on US cars and raise you by the experience of our local taxi fleets. For a long time the (verrry cheap) owners purchased whichever US car was cheapest to get at the time (mainly

Re: [MBZ] Golden Age? Finding 80s Autos (now heading into a rant)

2006-12-17 Thread Zoltan Finks
Oh yes, I know. My cronies and I, growing up, used to laugh at the performance of the cop cars and a few of us were fortunate enough to be able to honestly brag about outrunning them. (outrunning was the easy part, outcornering a bit more difficult, and of course, outrunning the Motorola or the

Re: [MBZ] Golden Age? Finding 80s Autos (now heading into a rant)

2006-12-17 Thread Zoltan Finks
That's true. Another visual cue is the rear sway bar. Or maybe all full-sized American cars come with rear sway bars now. It used to be a real rarity. The size and profile of the tires is another indicator. And aluminum wheels are not often found on a cop car, nor are wheel-covers (as opposed to

Re: [MBZ] Golden Age? Finding 80s Autos (now heading into a rant)

2006-12-17 Thread David Brodbeck
Zoltan Finks wrote: That's true. Another visual cue is the rear sway bar. Or maybe all full-sized American cars come with rear sway bars now. It used to be a real rarity. All Crown Vics after a certain year have a Watt's link to locate the rear axle.(Older ones have a Panhard rod.) Dunno

Re: [MBZ] Golden Age? Finding 80s Autos (now heading into a rant)

2006-12-17 Thread Tom Hargrave
. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Brodbeck Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 5:24 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Golden Age? Finding 80s Autos (now heading into a rant

Re: [MBZ] Golden Age? Finding 80s Autos (now heading into a rant)

2006-12-16 Thread Steve MacSween
on 12/15/06 12:33 PM, Donald Snook at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I disagree somewhat. American made CARS are crap. Trucks are a different story. What are you basing this statement on? I agree that American cars needed to improve and they did - dramatically. Maintenance costs have dropped

Re: [MBZ] Golden Age? Finding 80s Autos (now heading into a rant)

2006-12-16 Thread LarryT
://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: Steve MacSween [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 12:50 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Golden Age? Finding 80s Autos (now

Re: [MBZ] Golden Age? Finding 80s Autos (now heading into a rant)

2006-12-16 Thread David Brodbeck
Steve MacSween wrote: Now I see your comment on US cars and raise you by the experience of our local taxi fleets. For a long time the (verrry cheap) owners purchased whichever US car was cheapest to get at the time (mainly Luminas and Malibus and Transport/Montana minivans). Here they all