On Sun, 6 Jan 2019 15:07:42 -0600 Mountain Man via Mercedes
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> Craig wrote:
> > When I worked at Hewlett-Packard in Colorado Springs...
>
> When I worked in CSpgs I toured the Cray computer factory - did you
> ever see Cray computer?
No, I never did.
Craig
Craig wrote:
> When I worked at Hewlett-Packard in Colorado Springs...
When I worked in CSpgs I toured the Cray computer factory - did you
ever see Cray computer?
tin.man
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> Then Sony, Nikon, and Canon came out . . .
I vividly remember the day we discovered that the 'good' Sony cassette recorder
basically had a refrigerator magnet for an erase head.
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Maybe we can get these guys to pick up the w123 or 126 chassis and put some
updated emission compliant power into it :)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SsangYong_Chairman
On Sat, Jan 5, 2019 at 7:14 PM Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
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> You might be on to something
>
people did similar things with frods, shoveys, internationals, volvos,
metropolitans, and probably many other cars. Many model Ts were driven
for decades. Road conditions may not have allowed one to reach a
million miles, if if cars had hourmeters, some probably reached at least
the number
And lest we forget - only Mercedes Benz owners carry an expectation that
their vehicles will last for years and years, plus drive for at least a
million miles.
On Sat, Jan 5, 2019 at 10:14 PM Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
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> You might be on to something
>
> Sent
You might be on to something
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> On Jan 5, 2019, at 8:50 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes
> wrote:
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> Used to be, you could get VW bugs in Meh he ko long after production stopped
> in Germany, and VW stopped selling them in the USA.In fact the MB trucks
> like the 1113
Used to be, you could get VW bugs in Meh he ko long after production
stopped in Germany, and VW stopped selling them in the USA. In fact
the MB trucks like the 1113 up to 1316 were made in brasil, years after
production stopped in Germany. That is why those trucks look like they
were
Hear Here!
W. Edwards Deming is revered in Japan like Eli Whitney used to be
revered here. He, and the industrious people, turned Japan from
wreckage into the mark of quality, based on the work of Walter Shewhart.
See
Statistical Method from the Viewpoint of Quality Control By Walter
My buddy is a technical consultant. Does work for a big korean carmaker.
They sent him to China. He says what are you doing in china? Gets there and
they make rolling chassis with powertrains. Neighboring plants make the
bodies. Any body you want, bmw, mercedes etc. Pretty good copies, according
I still go out of my way to buy made in USA, Europe, or any other country that
doesn’t offend me. It’s obviously virtually impossible to avoid made in China
but I do my best.
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> On Jan 5, 2019, at 3:44 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote:
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> On Sat, 5 Jan 2019 14:32:44 -0600 OK
On Sat, 5 Jan 2019 14:32:44 -0600 OK Don via Mercedes
wrote:
> Then Sony, Nikon, and Canon came out . . .
Yes. As Rick already pointed out, when Deming was speaking, US
manufacturers turned a deaf ear, but the Japanese listened.
When I worked at Hewlett-Packard in Colorado Springs, we had
Then Sony, Nikon, and Canon came out . . .
On Sat, Jan 5, 2019 at 2:27 PM Craig via Mercedes
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> On Sat, 5 Jan 2019 14:10:30 -0500 Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes
> wrote:
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> > Its a new world... time to face reality, folks. Made in China doesn't
> > automatically mean something is junk.
On Sat, 5 Jan 2019 14:10:30 -0500 Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes
wrote:
> Its a new world... time to face reality, folks. Made in China doesn't
> automatically mean something is junk. Things are engineered and built
> to a specification that defines quality. Build to that specification
> and
Andrew sez:
>When I was growing up the Made in Japan label was a red flag denoting poor
>quality goods or toys.. Now, it's an indicator of luxury.
Because they listened to an American, when US car makers wouldn't.
https://www.hci.com.au/deming-a/
When I was growing up the Made in Japan label was a red flag denoting poor
quality goods or toys.. Now, it's an indicator of luxury.
On Sat, Jan 5, 2019 at 2:49 PM Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
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> Yes
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> > On Jan 5, 2019, at 1:10 PM,
Yes
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> On Jan 5, 2019, at 1:10 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes
> wrote:
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> Not only are MB parts made in China now... they're making whole Mercedes
> there now. And they're just as good as cars from any other production
> plant. Imagine that! (And all the other major
Not only are MB parts made in China now... they're making whole Mercedes
there now. And they're just as good as cars from any other production
plant. Imagine that! (And all the other major automakers do this too)
Its a new world... time to face reality, folks. Made in China doesn't
Good luck going about your daily life without ever purchasing an item that
was made in China. Might as well become a survivalist.
On Jan 5, 2019 1:44 AM, "fmiser via Mercedes" wrote:
> > Curt wrote:
>
> > Made in China doesn't automatically mean it's bad.
>
> Yup.
>
> But regardless of the
> Curt wrote:
> Made in China doesn't automatically mean it's bad.
Yup.
But regardless of the build quality it does mean it was made by
an antagonistic (enemy) country - not an ally. I personally would
rather not support them. Sometimes I know I do - but I prefer to
not.
That is one side of the problem. The other side is that everything made
in PRC has its design and specs stolen by the chinee goobermnt.
This means that EVERYTHING can be easily knocked off so easily and so
well that they may be unable to be identified as a knockoff.
So lemforder boxes with
Well, apparently some MB stealer parts are made in china now. From the
MB beancounter's perspective: "Why pay for pahts made in die Vaterland,
when I can buy cheep chinee pahts from uro that will survive until the
warranty is over and we don't have to pay for replacements. " Even
having a
HF rubber smells good
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> On Jan 4, 2019, at 2:26 PM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:
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> I’m not sure how URO came into this conversation. I doubt very much that a
> company like Lemförder is subbing their stuff out to URO, and even if they
> were, their requirements wouldn’t
Correct.
The first Bagelsport I bought they sent me the wrong watch.
It was a silver Datejust with Roman numberals on the dial as ordered, but with
several important differences:
It said Rolex on the dial, had the Rolex crown on the stem instead of the
Bagelsport crown, and said SWISS MADE on
I’m not sure how URO came into this conversation. I doubt very much that a
company like Lemförder is subbing their stuff out to URO, and even if they
were, their requirements wouldn’t change.
The rubber doesn’t smell like HF, which is how I judge it.
-D
> On Jan 4, 2019, at 3:02 PM, Curt
And if Lemforder is using URO's qc or their own. If they do their own qc it
probably doesn't matter.
Curt
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On Fri, Jan 4, 2019 at 2:55 PM, Mitch Haley via
Mercedes wrote:
> On January 4, 2019 at 2:47 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes
> wrote:
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>
> Good
I guess the big risk is do you really know that the thing you bought is really
the reputable brand you think it is. I suppose if you were going to pirate a
brand you could imitate the country too.
Curt
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On Fri, Jan 4, 2019 at 2:51 PM, Rick Knoble via
> On January 4, 2019 at 2:47 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes
> wrote:
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>
> Good point, Curt, and the ship hasn’t sailed on the Lemförder stuff yet as
> they just started doing the offshore thing, so it remains to be seen if this
> is a bad thing.
It depends on whether Lemförder is making it in
Curt sez:
>Your cell phone was almost certainly made in China...
EVERYTHING'S made in China.
The problem is not only quality control.
A lot of things are made with stolen or pirated
technology/invention/intellectual property.
That is the crux of the current trade isses.
And no, that's not
Good point, Curt, and the ship hasn’t sailed on the Lemförder stuff yet as they
just started doing the offshore thing, so it remains to be seen if this is a
bad thing.
-D
> On Jan 4, 2019, at 2:29 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes
> wrote:
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> Made in China doesn't automatically mean it's bad.
Made in China doesn't automatically mean it's bad. A reputable brand should
have good qc policies in place to ensure a quality product.
Your cell phone was almost certainly made in China...
Curt
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On Fri, Jan 4, 2019 at 1:18 PM, Rick Knoble via
Mercedes
Hmm. I forgot about the lifetime warranty.
They might regret that.
https://youtu.be/mFOWdIPQImk
Rick
Who remembers this commercial like yesterday.
I'm old.
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Welcome to the world economy. Lemförder and others have been moving a lot of
their production to China and other places, such as India.
I have a set of engine mounts for the R129 that are Lemförder sitting right
next to my desk. Chinese. But I bought them from FCP Euro, so they have a
This is BS! Ordered new mm for a couple cars.
Made in China. Half tempted to send them back and get dealer parts.
Rick
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