Re: [MBZ] Ian Frazier Does It Again

2012-11-29 Thread Mitch Haley
John Reames wrote: Iirc McDonalds special orders their brewers with hot plate thermostats that are 20 degrees hotter than standard. I'm surprised that Bunn was not dragged in as a defendant for manufacturing a dangerous brewer... I want to say that the plate thermostats are 190-195 on the

Re: [MBZ] Ian Frazier Does It Again

2012-11-29 Thread John Reames
Espresso is coffee tamped to restrict flow to 27mL in 25s when 90C water is pumped at 9bars... I think that's closer to 190 than 165, but then that's espresso and not drip... -- John W Reames jream...@verizon.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Nov 29, 2012, at 7:52, Mitch Haley

Re: [MBZ] Ian Frazier Does It Again

2012-11-29 Thread Craig
On Thu, 29 Nov 2012 08:58:21 -0500 John Reames jwrea...@comcast.net wrote: Espresso is coffee tamped to restrict flow to 27mL in 25s when 90C water is pumped at 9bars... I think that's closer to 190 than 165, but then that's espresso and not drip... 90 deg.C = 194 deg.F Just use:

Re: [MBZ] Ian Frazier Does It Again

2012-11-29 Thread Tim C
On Nov 28, 2012 5:55 PM, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: I wonder why the judge reduced the award 80%? Treble damages is a valid punishment that will stand on appeal, an arbitrary number is not. The total went from $2.1M to $640K. In the end they settled and signed an NDA so who

Re: [MBZ] Ian Frazier Does It Again

2012-11-29 Thread Donald Snook
Gerry asked: What are you driving now, Donald? I'm still driving the Lexus I bought from my father. 2003 Lexus ES 300 with 56,000 miles. It's a very competent car that performs admirably without any flash or trouble. In other words, it's a typical Camry/ES 300. Donald H. Snook

Re: [MBZ] Ian Frazier Does It Again

2012-11-29 Thread OK Don
Sounds WAY too boring for you! On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 9:19 AM, Donald Snook dsn...@mtsqh.com wrote: Gerry asked: What are you driving now, Donald? I'm still driving the Lexus I bought from my father. 2003 Lexus ES 300 with 56,000 miles. It's a very competent car that performs admirably

Re: [MBZ] Ian Frazier Does It Again

2012-11-28 Thread Tim C
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 8:46 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: You have to love this guy... http://www.torinfo.com/justforlaughs/coyote_v_acme.html We watched Hot Coffee last night. Ironically we started just as you were posting this. :) Hot Coffee is a better discussion for banned,

Re: [MBZ] Ian Frazier Does It Again

2012-11-28 Thread Dan Penoff
The first Ian Frazier piece I ever experienced was his Lamentations, which I read in the Atlantic. Funny stuff. Dan Sent from my iPad On Nov 28, 2012, at 11:35 AM, Tim C bb...@crone.us wrote: On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 8:46 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: You have to love this guy...

Re: [MBZ] Ian Frazier Does It Again

2012-11-28 Thread andrew strasfogel
I take serious issue with this mischaracterization as frivolous litigation. My ex spouse was seriously scalded (1st degree burns) by McD's hot coffee that spilled in her lap. This occurred 2+ minutes from purchase. The lawsuit and judgment were rightly deserved; as McDs had been warned many

Re: [MBZ] Ian Frazier Does It Again

2012-11-28 Thread Randy Bennell
BUT . . . . Would you buy coffee from a place that did not keep it hot? Do you not think that an adult knows or ought to know that hot coffee should not be spilled in one's lap? Do you not think that when one does spill hot coffee in one's lap, that one should assume the fault unless one is

Re: [MBZ] Ian Frazier Does It Again

2012-11-28 Thread John Freer
Well stated, Randy. John Sent from my iPad On Nov 28, 2012, at 9:48 AM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: BUT . . . . Would you buy coffee from a place that did not keep it hot? Do you not think that an adult knows or ought to know that hot coffee should not be spilled in

Re: [MBZ] Ian Frazier Does It Again

2012-11-28 Thread WILTON
- From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 12:48 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ian Frazier Does It Again BUT . . . . Would you buy coffee from a place that did not keep it hot? Do you not think that an adult knows

Re: [MBZ] Ian Frazier Does It Again

2012-11-28 Thread Tim C
On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 12:48 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: BUT . . . . Would you buy coffee from a place that did not keep it hot? Do you not think that an adult knows or ought to know that hot coffee should not be spilled in one's lap? Do you not think that when one does

Re: [MBZ] Ian Frazier Does It Again

2012-11-28 Thread Tim C
On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 1:06 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: But, is there a sign posted in clear view near the stairs that clearly states in English and, maybe, French pour votre amis Quebecois, that, Negotiating stairs can be dangerous, use handrail, do not use stairs in stocking feet,

Re: [MBZ] Ian Frazier Does It Again

2012-11-28 Thread Randy Bennell
] Ian Frazier Does It Again BUT . . . . Would you buy coffee from a place that did not keep it hot? Do you not think that an adult knows or ought to know that hot coffee should not be spilled in one's lap? Do you not think that when one does spill hot coffee in one's lap, that one should

Re: [MBZ] Ian Frazier Does It Again

2012-11-28 Thread Randy Bennell
On 28/11/2012 12:59 PM, Tim C wrote: On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 12:48 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: BUT . . . . Would you buy coffee from a place that did not keep it hot? Do you not think that an adult knows or ought to know that hot coffee should not be spilled in one's lap?

Re: [MBZ] Ian Frazier Does It Again

2012-11-28 Thread Donald Snook
Randy wrote: Do you not think that when one does spill hot coffee in one's lap, that one should assume the fault unless one is bumped or in some other manner caused by someone else to spill the coffee? Especially when it is in a drive through line. How is McD's supposed to prevent someone

Re: [MBZ] Ian Frazier Does It Again

2012-11-28 Thread WILTON
Yep. :) Wilton - Original Message - From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 3:23 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ian Frazier Does It Again No, I will no doubt have to sue the builder for failure to post

Re: [MBZ] Ian Frazier Does It Again

2012-11-28 Thread Rich Thomas
Elected in Texas. Keeps them honest!!! One of our neighbors down the street was elected to the Texas Supreme Court, a black republican married to a white woman. He was a nice and fun guy, not what you would expect to be a Supreme Court justice. His wife was a total piece of work. --R On

Re: [MBZ] Ian Frazier Does It Again

2012-11-28 Thread Rich Thomas
That would look good on the old resume! --R On 11/28/12 3:50 PM, Donald Snook wrote: Senior VP in charge of the company policy on the coffee and the temperature it was kept at ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To

Re: [MBZ] Ian Frazier Does It Again

2012-11-28 Thread Gerry Archer
Randy wrote: Do you not think that when one does spill hot coffee in one's lap, that one should assume the fault unless one is bumped or in some other manner caused by someone else to spill the coffee? Especially when it is in a drive through line. How is McD's supposed to prevent someone

Re: [MBZ] Ian Frazier Does It Again

2012-11-28 Thread Randy Bennell
On 28/11/2012 2:50 PM, Donald Snook wrote: Randy wrote: Do you not think that when one does spill hot coffee in one's lap, that one should assume the fault unless one is bumped or in some other manner caused by someone else to spill the coffee? Especially when it is in a drive through line.

Re: [MBZ] Ian Frazier Does It Again

2012-11-28 Thread John Reames
Iirc McDonalds special orders their brewers with hot plate thermostats that are 20 degrees hotter than standard. I'm surprised that Bunn was not dragged in as a defendant for manufacturing a dangerous brewer... I want to say that the plate thermostats are 190-195 on the McD units... I defy

Re: [MBZ] Ian Frazier Does It Again

2012-11-28 Thread Tim C
On Nov 28, 2012 7:27 PM, John Reames jwrea...@comcast.net wrote: I want to say that the plate thermostats are 190-195 on the McD units... The documentary said 190 was in the manual. I also got the idea that the arrogance of the guy from McDonalds hurt them severely. We have some elected and

Re: [MBZ] Ian Frazier Does It Again

2012-11-28 Thread Mitch Haley
Rich Thomas wrote: Elected in Texas. Keeps them honest!!! One of our neighbors down the street was elected to the Texas Supreme Court, a black republican married to a white woman. He was a nice and fun guy, not what you would expect to be a Supreme Court justice. His wife was a total

[MBZ] Ian Frazier Does It Again

2012-11-27 Thread Dan Penoff
You have to love this guy... http://www.torinfo.com/justforlaughs/coyote_v_acme.html Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery