Re: [MBZ] OT: Film

2021-08-19 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
My Zeiss folder has a f/3.5 Xenar lens. It looks like it could use a cleaning, but isn't too horrible. It also is 6x4.5, with a 75mm lens. Very nice bit of engineering, Compur-rapid shutter. The specific model is Super Ikonta A 531. I might have put two rolls of film through it. -- Jim

Re: [MBZ] OT: Film

2021-08-18 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
On 2021-08-18 16:24, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: Interesting article on attempting to develop Kodachrome: https://emulsive.org/articles/darkroom/developing-film/they-took-my-kodachrome-away-so-i-brought-it-back Lotsa people "reinventing" old film stuff. Like the Impossible project bringing

Re: [MBZ] OT: Film

2021-08-18 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
I forgot the extreme ends of my collection - I have an almost complete spy setup of Minox B camera and accessories - just missing the packets of chemistry. I rigged up a couple of exacto blades to slit 35mm film to load in Minox cartridges, techpan and tri-x. I only played with the cameras though,

Re: [MBZ] OT: Film

2021-08-18 Thread Allan Streib via Mercedes
When I was into B photography in high school I always preferred Ilford film and paper. Seemed to have a higher contrast, deeper blacks, which I liked, I thought Kodak always came out looking washed out and grey. Last time I shot any film was about a year ago, shot a roll of Fujicolor 35mm and

Re: [MBZ] OT: Film

2021-08-18 Thread Peter Frederick via Mercedes
The Noctilux was designed to be used wide open in high contrast light, especially street photography. I think Canon had a similar lens with a max aperature of 0.95, also low contrast. Stays soft even at f5.6 too. Minimal image curvature wide open too with little distortion. That's why you

Re: [MBZ] OT: Film

2021-08-18 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
I've shot 120 film in Mamiya 33, 220, and 330 cameras, Graflex XL, and Hasselblad. I still have the Hasselblad, but sold off all the good lenses, just have the 80mm now. The Hasselblad blew the rest of them away, but I could only afford the older lenses, backs, etc. I did a lot of trading

Re: [MBZ] OT: Film

2021-08-18 Thread Peter Frederick via Mercedes
I have an ancient Zeiss folder (pre-war) that takes 645 size images, and it was mediocre when I got it. While I was living in Canada, I got to poking around and discovered that the open surfaces of the Cooke Triplet lens had gotten fogged from the lubricant in the focusing helicoid.

Re: [MBZ] OT: Film

2021-08-18 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
Interesting article on attempting to develop Kodachrome: https://emulsive.org/articles/darkroom/developing-film/they-took-my-kodachrome-away-so-i-brought-it-back Lotsa people "reinventing" old film stuff. Like the Impossible project bringing back Polaroid. They even bought the name:

Re: [MBZ] OT: Film

2021-08-18 Thread dan penoff.com via Mercedes
I typically shot Kodak Plus-X (ASA 125, IIRC) in black and white, Vericolor for color negatives (rarely used) and both Ektachrome and Kodachrome for color slides. For color I almost always shot slide film, as it’s far more stable than color negative film and the dyes in it can be complimentary

Re: [MBZ] OT: Film

2021-08-18 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
I have 2 nice 35mm cameras, one Olympus and one Minolta, with some good tele lenses, got as wedding gifts in '82.  Took them out of their storage bin a few months ago, everything still looked good and seemed to work.  It felt like such a waste to have these nice pieces of technology be totally

Re: [MBZ] OT: Film

2021-08-18 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
> I wish I had kept my film cameras. I can't remember the last time I used one. Nice ones, too, a Canon RT and a 1N in addition to the Mamiya C330. Also all my dad's old Minolta gear that he offed on me... That stuff's easy enough to come by, now. Few people want it. Darkroom stuff, etc.

Re: [MBZ] OT: Film

2021-08-18 Thread Dwight Giles via Mercedes
That will be great for the Q. I wish I had kept my film cameras. On Tue, Aug 17, 2021, 9:55 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > I watched a Duck Camp Dinners https://youtu.be/Aos2X5dNg9I episode the > other night where they talked about the pictures of duck camp back

Re: [MBZ] OT: Film

2021-08-18 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
One nice thing about 120 is that you can examine contact sheets by eye, without needing magnification. And as snaps, they're good enough as-is. I think, back in the day, that all automated prints were contacts. Enlargement was only done for special custom printing. With 35mm they needed more

Re: [MBZ] OT: Film

2021-08-18 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
I hadn't thought of it before, I think I've done 4 (maybe 5, I'm not sure.) wedding videos over the last 22 years and AFAIK all the couples are still together... -Curt On Wednesday, August 18, 2021, 2:57:21 PM EDT, Jim Cathey wrote: I didn't realize that there was anything other

Re: [MBZ] OT: Film

2021-08-18 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
> I didn't realize that there was anything other than B in 120. I've never > used color in one. Works well. I shot whatever Kodak's color wedding film was, I forget the name. Designed with less punchy contrast in order to handle well couples dressed in both all-white and all-black, as is

Re: [MBZ] OT: Film

2021-08-18 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
I'm going to use the Indie Film lab: https://youtu.be/TCxoZlFqzwA About $16/roll for the B stuff I bought. Until I went to buy film I didn't realize that there was anything other than B in 120. I've never used color in one. -Curt On Wednesday, August 18, 2021, 2:17:30 PM EDT, Jim Cathey

Re: [MBZ] OT: Film

2021-08-18 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
> Not only is 120 still available it's not really that expensive, 5 rolls with > shipping was less than $32. That's about 50 cents per shot, in 6x6 format, less in 6x4.5. Not too bad. Of course, developing and printing is extra. -- Jim ___

Re: [MBZ] OT: Film

2021-08-18 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
620 film is still available as is 110. Those were the ones that surprised me. Not only is 120 still available it's not really that expensive, 5 rolls with shipping was less than $32. I bought 5 different ones to play with. I plan to shoot them in some vintage Kodak Brownie cameras for that old

Re: [MBZ] OT: Film

2021-08-18 Thread dan penoff.com via Mercedes
Long-time Mamiya guy. Mainly M645, dabbled in the RB67 but never wanted to invest in the platform as it was really expensive at the time. The M645 was like a 35mm SLR on steroids. It handled in a similar manner, yielded a large frame (6mm x 4.5mm) which was great for the landscape photography

Re: [MBZ] OT: Film

2021-08-18 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
> So tonight I ordered up 5 rolls of 120 film Medium format excels at enlargements. I took a photo class with a friend once, I had a Mamiya C330 and he had a Minolta 35mm. We were photographing the same subject matter. I wanted to blow up one corner of a frame, he said it'd be grainy. It was

[MBZ] OT: Film

2021-08-17 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
I watched a Duck Camp Dinners https://youtu.be/Aos2X5dNg9I episode the other night where they talked about the pictures of duck camp back in the day and it got me thinking about film. So tonight I ordered up 5 rolls of 120 film. Dad has a bunch of old cameras that use the stuff, I thought it

Re: [MBZ] OT - film cameras

2012-01-11 Thread Larry
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - film cameras On Jan 7, 2012 1:29 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: Who takes pictures these days? *raises hand* It's nothing compared to the fancy setup some of these guys have, but I have a lot of fun shooting 35mm film with a couple of old Canon cameras

Re: [MBZ] OT - film cameras

2012-01-11 Thread Dan Penoff
List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - film cameras On Jan 7, 2012 1:29 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: Who takes pictures these days? *raises hand* It's nothing compared to the fancy setup some of these guys have, but I have a lot of fun shooting 35mm film with a couple

Re: [MBZ] OT - film cameras

2012-01-11 Thread Jim Cathey
Leica made around 1950 and entirely mechanical...Doubt I'll get the [electronic] Minoltas fixed - would probably cost more than new ones. Something like a Minolta SRT-101 is also entirely mechanical, except for the light meter. I've got one (unless it's a -201). I don't use it, my Dad was

Re: [MBZ] OT - film cameras

2012-01-11 Thread Allan Streib
Larry l02tur...@comcast.net writes: My electronic 35 SLRs have all stopped working properly - but the Leica made around 1950 and entirely mechanical, works like the day it was new ;-) It's a great camera once you get used to the focus mechanism and the separate light meter. If I

Re: [MBZ] OT - film cameras

2012-01-11 Thread Jim Cathey
I was just reading an article about Kodachrome, and in it they stated that a Kodachrome 35mm negative was equivalent to about 20 megapixels. It's a positive, not a negative. That figure might be a bit low. One difference is that with film the three color-sensitive layers are superimposed,

Re: [MBZ] OT - film cameras

2012-01-11 Thread Dan Penoff
Check KEH to get an idea of prices. Do understand that their grading system is frighteningly conservative, as I have bought stuff labeled BGN and UG (bargain and ugly) that was amazingly nice. Even their EX stuff looks like new. I would not hesitate to buy something from them. Dan Sent from

Re: [MBZ] OT - film cameras

2012-01-11 Thread Dan Penoff
My dad's XG-7 is still in good order, although I haven't used it in years. It does require a battery, but I'm not sure if it is necessary for operation or not. I have a bunch of lenses and other goodies for it, but as stated above, they never get used. Like a lot of 35mm gear, it has no value

Re: [MBZ] OT - film cameras

2012-01-11 Thread andrew strasfogel
I have a Nikon N 2000 SLR film SLR camera with the f1.4 50 mm, 28mm f3.5, and 200mm f 4.0 lenses. The lenses were from my old Nikon Photonic FTN body and converted so they sync with the 2000. Are these collector's items yet? Does anyone want to make me an offer? All are in primo condition.

Re: [MBZ] OT - film cameras

2012-01-11 Thread OK Don
No, they're not collectors items yet, but you can use those lenses with a new digi Nikon body - at least the D700 for sure. On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 10:28 AM, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.comwrote: I have a Nikon N 2000 SLR film SLR camera with the f1.4 50 mm, 28mm f3.5, and 200mm f 4.0

Re: [MBZ] OT - film cameras

2012-01-11 Thread OK Don
I've had the same experience with KEH. Their prices are higher than a lot of eBay sales these days, but you have a lot more confidence buying from them. On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 8:09 AM, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: Check KEH to get an idea of prices. Do understand that their grading

Re: [MBZ] OT - film cameras

2012-01-11 Thread OK Don
They are much more reasonable now than were just before digital became decent, but still not cheap. The M6 has a built-in meter, and it works great. The meter is all the battery runs. I ought to sell mine, but I'm still emotionally attached to it. On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 7:39 AM, Allan Streib

Re: [MBZ] OT - film cameras

2012-01-11 Thread OK Don
Yes, comparing film grains to pixels is apples to oranges. Measuring captured line pairs is a more valid test, but includes the entire optical chain. 100lpi used to be the benchmark - very few lens/camera combos got there. I've gotten very good results with multiple image panoramas using a

Re: [MBZ] OT - film cameras

2012-01-11 Thread Michael Canfield
No idea what they are worth. Give me a price and I will talk to Toni and see if she wants it. Thanks, Mike On Jan 11, 2012 11:28 AM, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: I have a Nikon N 2000 SLR film SLR camera with the f1.4 50 mm, 28mm f3.5, and 200mm f 4.0 lenses. The lenses

Re: [MBZ] OT - film cameras

2012-01-11 Thread glenn brown
I believe one of the traits for those of us with old M-B diesels is cheap genes, as I still have my Nikon F T which I purchased in '68 for $210 w/ the Nikkor F1.4 50mm lens along with a more recent Nikon FTN both of which I don't use as much as I used to but still do shoot film occasionally.

Re: [MBZ] OT - film cameras

2012-01-11 Thread OK Don
1000 rolls through a Nikon F is like 50,000 on a 123 300D - just getting broken in. My F3s got close to 1000 rolls per year for 10 years with two CLAs during the time. On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 5:14 PM, glenn brown g_010...@hotmail.com wrote: I believe one of the traits for those of us with old

Re: [MBZ] OT - film cameras

2012-01-11 Thread andrew strasfogel
Those Nikon Fs have the most wonderful optics. I spent 3.5 years shooting color slides in Fiji and some of the photos of sunsets and portraits taken at 1/4 sec. shutter speeds on Agfachrome were absolutely like paintings. On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 10:13 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: 1000

Re: [MBZ] OT - film cameras

2012-01-10 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Jan 7, 2012 1:29 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: Who takes pictures these days? *raises hand* It's nothing compared to the fancy setup some of these guys have, but I have a lot of fun shooting 35mm film with a couple of old Canon cameras, an AE-1 SLR and a Canonet QL17

Re: [MBZ] OT - film cameras

2012-01-10 Thread Dan Penoff
3200 ASA?!? What are you doing, pushing Tri-X to get that index? Yikes! Dan Sent from my iPhone On Jan 10, 2012, at 2:28 PM, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote: On Jan 7, 2012 1:29 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: Who takes pictures these days? *raises

Re: [MBZ] OT - film cameras

2012-01-10 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Jan 10, 2012 11:45 AM, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: 3200 ASA?!? What are you doing, pushing Tri-X to get that index? Yikes! http://www.kodak.com/global/en/professional/products/films/bw/tMaxP3200.jhtml Love this stuff for candid shots, street photography, etc. Alex

Re: [MBZ] OT - film cameras

2012-01-10 Thread Dan Penoff
I forgot about the 3200 ASA stuff. I so rarely use fast film, I just never paid attention to it. My personal favorite: Plus-X, which I believe was 125 ASA, and Panatomic-X, which I know was only 32 ASA. For color, hands down either Kodachrome 25 or 64 ASA, or Ektachrome if I was looking for

Re: [MBZ] OT - film cameras

2012-01-10 Thread Allan Streib
I never really did like any of the Kodak BW stuff, except the Technical Pan for deliberately high-contrast work. I ususally used Ilford... film, paper, and chemistry. Occasionally experimented with other stuff. Haven't done any of it in years. Allan Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com writes: I

Re: [MBZ] OT - film cameras

2012-01-10 Thread Dan Penoff
I pretty much stuck with Ilford for paper and chemistry, but I really got to know the lower ASA BW films in the Kodak line early on, back in the days when I was push processing Tri-X (400 ASA) for my high school yearbook. I hated the graininess of the film, even shot at the rated speed, so I

Re: [MBZ] OT - film cameras

2012-01-07 Thread Jim Cathey
What makes you prefer Canon over Nikon? She has not used a Canon so we have no comparison. Very good point about the specialty glass. I preferred, when it was new, Canon's break with compatibility in the name of better autofocusing and auto-irising. The dedicated in-lens motors. Nikon

Re: [MBZ] OT - film cameras, was: Is this BS?

2012-01-07 Thread Fmiser
OK Don wrote: It's that little 300w halogen projection bulb in the little metal box that I'm trying to get away from. It was nice when the ISO of the duplicating film was 2, but a bit of overkill now that I'm shooting at ISO 200. What about replacing the 300 W lamp with a 30 W? That is the

Re: [MBZ] OT - film cameras, was: Is this BS?

2012-01-07 Thread OK Don
On Sat, Jan 7, 2012 at 12:50 AM, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: What about replacing the 300 W lamp with a 30 W? That is the same as shooting ISO 200 as compared to ISO 20. If you really are going from ISO 2 to ISO 200, then a 3 W halogen is enough! (this is presuming the lumens/watt is

Re: [MBZ] OT - film cameras

2012-01-07 Thread OK Don
On Sat, Jan 7, 2012 at 1:26 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: I preferred, when it was new, Canon's break with compatibility in the name of better autofocusing and auto-irising. The dedicated in-lens motors. Nikon finally had to cave and do the same thing as Canon was eating

Re: [MBZ] OT - film cameras

2012-01-07 Thread Mountain Man
OK Don wrote: Correct - the Nikon crop lenses auto set the full frame sensor to cropped mode. Who takes pictures these days? ...what is the value of old film cameras? mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search

Re: [MBZ] OT - film cameras, was: Is this BS?

2012-01-06 Thread Jaime Kopchinski
That shot was taken with a digital camera, but there is still good support for film and developing out there. Despite the bad press, Kodak and Fuji (and some other little guys) are making excellent modern films with scanning in mind. I scan the film itself with a Epson flatbed scanner designed

Re: [MBZ] OT - film cameras, was: Is this BS?

2012-01-06 Thread Dan Penoff
Dwayne's does a great job if you are unable to find a local lab. I have a love/hate relationship with my Mamiya M645 Super and an RB67 that I have borrowing rights for. I love to shoot film, but these cameras are so inconvenient to carry around (especially the RB67!) If I was on a leisurely

Re: [MBZ] OT - film cameras, was: Is this BS?

2012-01-06 Thread OK Don
I still have all the equipment for a decent darkroom - Leitz Focomat IIc, Jobo processer, etc. I never did like the work from labs, except for custom color printing labs - the4y were better than I was. I don't shoot cheap digi cams - but really like the Nikon D700. The best part is the ability to

Re: [MBZ] OT - film cameras, was: Is this BS?

2012-01-06 Thread Michael Canfield
If anyone here has a dslr and/or other equipment my girl can use for her new photography career they are willing to part with please let me know. We don't have much money so not looking for real high end stuff, would be great if I could swap some w123 parts for stuff someone doesn't need. She is

Re: [MBZ] OT - film cameras, was: Is this BS?

2012-01-06 Thread Fmiser
OK Don wrote: I'm going to try converting the inverted color head I used for duplicating slides to LED illumination (to reduce heat and brightness) and see if I can get good resulting copying my negs and slides with the D700 and the Ziess 1:1 duplicating lens. Good luck - but don't hold

Re: [MBZ] OT - film cameras, was: Is this BS?

2012-01-06 Thread Rich Thomas
Get an ultrabright RGB LED with a little controller to get the color you want. --R On 1/6/12 4:25 PM, Fmiser wrote: OK Don wrote: I'm going to try converting the inverted color head I used for duplicating slides to LED illumination (to reduce heat and brightness) and see if I can get good

Re: [MBZ] OT - film cameras, was: Is this BS?

2012-01-06 Thread Curt Raymond
(or whatever you're using) doesn't catch on fire. -Curt Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 15:25:55 -0600 From: Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - film cameras, was: Is this BS? Message-ID: 20120106152555.e246308a.fmi...@gmail.com Content-Type

Re: [MBZ] OT - film cameras, was: Is this BS?

2012-01-06 Thread OK Don
The dicroic filters in the colorhead will change the color mix - it will be inetersting to see what comes out of the white LEDs, and how the color balance function on the camera handles it. It would be convenient to be able to work after sundown -- though some early enlargers did use piped

Re: [MBZ] OT - film cameras, was: Is this BS?

2012-01-06 Thread OK Don
boxes on too. Just be careful to provide enough ventilation so the tissue paper (or whatever you're using) doesn't catch on fire. -Curt Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 15:25:55 -0600 From: Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - film cameras

Re: [MBZ] OT - film cameras, was: Is this BS?

2012-01-06 Thread Rich Thomas
I have not looked but I would think you might be able to find datasheets for LEDs that would show their spectra, then you could twiddle with them to get your desired spectrum/a. --R On 1/6/12 5:54 PM, OK Don wrote: The dicroic filters in the colorhead will change the color mix - it will be

Re: [MBZ] OT - film cameras, was: Is this BS?

2012-01-06 Thread Dan Penoff
Yabbut if you have an analyzer it should pick up any differences between light sources, I would think. The LEDs would probably be really cold or blue in color, based on what I have seen of so called white LEDs. I used to have a full blown darkroom set up in the house I grew up in. It was

Re: [MBZ] OT - film cameras, was: Is this BS?

2012-01-06 Thread OK Don
Good point - I should dust off the color printing analyzer and see what I can measure with it. I have a 10 ft. stainless darkroom sink with stand that I would part with --- On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 5:08 PM, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: Yabbut if you have an analyzer it should pick up any

Re: [MBZ] OT - film cameras, was: Is this BS?

2012-01-06 Thread Jim Cathey
Neither one of us really knows a lot about equipment and such but we are learning. Nikon and Canon make the best glass. I prefer Canon, generally, but Nikon's good too. If you do a lot of special-purpose photography, which might use a specialist lens, shop the glass first and then buy

Re: [MBZ] OT - film cameras, was: Is this BS?

2012-01-06 Thread OK Don
On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 9:26 PM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: Neither one of us really knows a lot about equipment and such but we are learning. Nikon and Canon make the best glass. I prefer Canon, generally, but Nikon's good too. If you do a lot of special-purpose photography,

Re: [MBZ] OT - film cameras, was: Is this BS?

2012-01-06 Thread Michael Canfield
Jim, What makes you prefer Canon over Nikon? She has not used a Canon so we have no comparison. Very good point about the specialty glass. Thanks, Mike ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives

Re: [MBZ] OT - film cameras, was: Is this BS?

2012-01-06 Thread Michael Canfield
Don, I think her favorite feature of the Nikon is the live view mode you are speaking of. That may be the biggest deciding factor for her. She also likes a lot of the features of the newer Olympus dslr's and from what I see they will use the Nikon glass and drive the focus motors as well.

Re: [MBZ] OT - film cameras, was: Is this BS?

2012-01-06 Thread Allan Streib
Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com writes: What makes you prefer Canon over Nikon? She has not used a Canon so we have no comparison. Very good point about the specialty glass. If she's mainly shooting photos for web pages it won't matter. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD

Re: [MBZ] OT - film cameras, was: Is this BS?

2012-01-06 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Jan 6, 2012 7:46 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: The big advantage with Nikon is the ability to use the vast range of older lenses, much of which is still very good and far less expensive than it used to be. You do need a body with manaul controls to use the older glass. You can do

[MBZ] OT - film cameras, was: Is this BS?

2012-01-05 Thread OK Don
What are you using to scan - and are you scanning film or the prints? Is chemistry still readily available? I recently moved my collection of film cameras, and am getting tempted to dust them off, clean the shutters, and run film through them again. On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 7:02 PM, Jaime