Re: [MBZ] OT - Comair crash

2006-09-09 Thread Peter Frederick
I personally believe that there was some confusion at that particular site about which runway threshold was which -- they cross at about the start point on one of the runways, terrible design. I'm not a pilot, but I suspect it's not very common to watch directional heading (particularly on a m

Re: [MBZ] OT - Comair crash

2006-09-09 Thread LT Don
My understanding/experience is that once the tower says "cleared for takeoff, runway x" the ATC duties end until the pilot contacts departure after the climb out. On 9/8/06, Bill Gallagher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Also to add, there are protocol to follow between tower and the pilot. The cont

Re: [MBZ] OT - Comair crash

2006-09-09 Thread Bill Gallagher
Also to add, there are protocol to follow between tower and the pilot. The control tower is the boss and instructions are given and a response is required, and a confirmation to confirm both parties understand the instructions This policy was established to prevent mis-understand between tw

[MBZ] OT - Comair crash

2006-09-09 Thread wilton strickland
'Had to abort major mission across north pole on B-52H 33 yrs ago 'cause heading system and radar scope presentation differed by 2 degrees from correct runway orientation when when we took runway. B-52H then had very good and accurate heading and bombing/navigation stabilization system, but when

Re: [MBZ] OT - Comair crash

2006-09-09 Thread LT Don
Sounds like most of you were operating small aircraft at small strips. I know from experience that when you are at a "big" airport and getting out quickly is required, a turn from taxiway to runway at max speed is often done and you just slap the throttles to the firewall. The "no reason to check"

Re: [MBZ] OT - Comair crash

2006-09-08 Thread OK Don
Now THAT sounds like fun! When there was a new guy handling operations at the field, some of the older glider pilots liked to drop low on final and fly over the swamp, then up the hill to the runway in ground effect. From the ops cart they would disappear completely for a few seconds. Never f

Re: [MBZ] OT - Comair crash

2006-09-08 Thread OK Don
Well, you learn something every day - I don't remember seeing many trees in Texas ;-) On 9/8/06, Potter, Tom E <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: They mowed the grass on your runways. Hell, here in Texas we keep it short with the prop. I thought all grass strips had the power line at one end and 80-f

Re: [MBZ] OT - Comair crash

2006-09-08 Thread David Brodbeck
Potter, Tom E wrote: > They mowed the grass on your runways. Hell, here in Texas we keep it > short with the prop. > > I thought all grass strips had the power line at one end and 80-foot > trees at the other. Again, this IS Texas. > Ours had a power line and trees at one end, and dropped off i

Re: [MBZ] OT - Comair crash

2006-09-08 Thread David Brodbeck
OK Don wrote: > I flew the tow plane for a couple of years -- there were several > students who did have other ideas about where we should have been > going. That was the most exciting flying I ever did. > I bet. I have a lot of respect for tow pilots, considering the risk they take. Inattent

[MBZ] OT - Comair crash

2006-09-08 Thread wilton strickland
I think even the ''whiskey" compass would tell me I'm 40 degrees off DESIRED heading. (For the unfamliar, whiskey compass = very basic magnetic, last resort, compass - no gyro - suspended in alcohol, often mounted up in middle of windshield away from other instruments and stuff.) I think there's no

Re: [MBZ] OT - Comair crash

2006-09-08 Thread BillR
cedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Comair crash They mowed the grass on your runways. Hell, here in Texas we keep it short with the prop. I thought all grass strips had the power line at one end and 80-foot trees at the other. Again, this IS Texas. Tom Potter -Original Message-

Re: [MBZ] OT - Comair crash

2006-09-08 Thread OK Don
Unfortunatly, the prop wasn't big enough to cut where the wheels ran. I did buy the airplane at an "airport" where the runway was three strips in the grass - they didn't mow it at all (Walters, OK). On 9/8/06, Fmiser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: rumor has it that OK wrote: > You knew you were mak

Re: [MBZ] OT - Comair crash

2006-09-08 Thread OK Don
I flew the tow plane for a couple of years -- there were several students who did have other ideas about where we should have been going. That was the most exciting flying I ever did. I was pretty much guaranteed to take off from whatever runway the tow pilot had decided to take off from, anywa

Re: [MBZ] OT - Comair crash

2006-09-08 Thread Potter, Tom E
Behalf Of Fmiser Sent: Friday, September 08, 2006 1:21 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Comair crash rumor has it that OK wrote: > You knew you were making a good landing when you could > hear the tires in the grass before they touched the ground. Either that on the

Re: [MBZ] OT - Comair crash

2006-09-08 Thread Fmiser
rumor has it that OK wrote: > You knew you were making a good landing when you could > hear the tires in the grass before they touched the ground. Either that on the grass needed to be mowed! -- Philip, from tall-grass prairie territory

Re: [MBZ] OT - Comair crash

2006-09-08 Thread David Brodbeck
OK Don wrote: > Sheesh - most of the runways I flew off of didn't have anyplace to > paint a number (grass) -- the only gyro I had was the T&B indicator. I've flown gliders off grass runways. The compass didn't work too good until the wing runner levelled the ship, but I was pretty much guarantee

Re: [MBZ] OT - Comair crash

2006-09-08 Thread OK Don
Sheesh - most of the runways I flew off of didn't have anyplace to paint a number (grass) -- the only gyro I had was the T&B indicator. We thought 1700 feet was plenty of runway (power line on the North end, Trees on the South end - that's how you knew which way you were pointed). You knew you we

Re: [MBZ] OT - Comair crash

2006-09-08 Thread Rich Thomas
You got that right pilot. First thing I learned in flying airplanes. "This is your compass. This is your runway. This is your directional gyro." --R wilton strickland wrote: Has takeoff heading become unimportant? What happened to pausing after taking runway and before applying takeoff p

[MBZ] OT - Comair crash

2006-09-07 Thread wilton strickland
Has takeoff heading become unimportant? What happened to pausing after taking runway and before applying takeoff power to check heading, reset heading gyro as necessary, etc? Runway 22, aircraft magnetic heading should be 220. Runway 26, aircraft mag heading = 260, etc. If you think you're on 2