It will cause the final global warming event when the earth catches fire
and the whole atmosphere except the nitrogen turns to water, and it will
be hotter then. Or the earth will float away because hydrogen is
lighter than air, kinda like a dirigible.
--R
On 1/10/15 11:47 PM, Craig via
--R wrote:
Or the earth will float away because hydrogen is lighter than
air, kinda like a dirigible.
Or, an H-bomb could take us all out without a thought. Yes, wrong
form factor than we have been taught, but... we could learn.
Forget the hi-tech WWII stuff that Openheimer and LANL worked up.
On Sun, 11 Jan 2015 20:54:28 -0600 Mountain Man via Mercedes
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
--R wrote:
Or the earth will float away because hydrogen is lighter than
air, kinda like a dirigible.
Or, an H-bomb could take us all out without a thought. Yes, wrong
form factor than we have been
fmiser via Mercedes wrote:
Pipe shouldn't be much harder than natual gas - execpt H2 is so
small it leaks easily. Very easily.
Especially in plastic pipes, IIRC.
And I forget what sorts of metal pipes get Hydrogen embrittlement.
Mitch.
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And I forget what sorts of metal pipes get Hydrogen embrittlement.
Steel. Copper. Probably others.
-- Jim
And I forget what sorts of metal pipes get Hydrogen embrittlement.
Steel. Copper. Probably others.
-- Jim
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On Sat, 10 Jan 2015 16:56:55 -0500 Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
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The larger problem is storage. Hydrogen is not dense so any usable
amount requires ridiculously huge tanks, ridiculously low temperatures,
ridiculously high pressures, or non-gaseous form (like a metal
Craig wrote:
That reminds me of an episode that occurred when we were living off-grid
south of Calhan, Colorado.
We lived south of Ellicott, CO at Drennan 1985-1990. When did you
live south of Calhan? Calhan had the fairgrounds. We had the
absolute best alluvial groundwater in the world -
On Thu, 8 Jan 2015 20:31:46 -0600 Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com
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Craig wrote:
That reminds me of an episode that occurred when we were living
off-grid south of Calhan, Colorado.
We lived south of Ellicott, CO at Drennan 1985-1990. When did you
live south of Calhan?
We lived
On Wed, 7 Jan 2015 20:40:23 -0600 Mountain Man via Mercedes
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I suggest that our concepts of utility centralized need some revamp.
What? - I dunno, but it seems there is room for other concepts, i.e.
Tesla as mentioned. Concepts of power at all times needs revamp in
, 2015 1:57 PM
To: Andrew Strasfogel; Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] SOT (somewhat OT): TOyota share its patents.
Interesting, not unlike Tesla. Its a good point, the only way we'll ever get
hydrogen infrastructure is to have a bunch of the cars...
-Curt
From: Andrew
...
-Curt
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Sent: Wednesday, January 7, 2015 6:25 PM
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It's worth remembering that hydrogen
could power your laptop with. Not sure I'd want it in my lap...
-Curt
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Oh, they're definitely motivated by self interest, but that's fine by me.
I was a H2 skeptic but my opinion got turned around when I learned how
environmentally benign this could be, provided we can generate H2 w/o using
fossil fuels...
Turning water into wine Oh wait! O2 is a pollutant
The value in hydrogen seems to be in combining it back with oxygen (burning
it) thus producing heat and water. Using Curt's tidal energy source to
produce it, combined with the production of water sounds like a way to
desalinate sea water while you're at it - drink your exhaust! You get
hydrogen
On Wed, 7 Jan 2015 23:58:35 + (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes
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Geez I didn't even think of the desalinated water you'd get. Bonus!
I don't think you actually have to burn it to get electricity. I
*think* the fuel cell deal just recombines it with oxygen in a
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Scott wrote:
It's worth remembering that hydrogen is not an energy source,
it's an energy storage medium. The actual energy needs to come
from elsewhere.
Curt wrote:
Exactly, something like a tidal electricity generating system
producing power twice a day and pumping you a bunch
On Wed, 7 Jan 2015 20:25:39 -0600 fmiser via Mercedes
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
Curt wrote:
I wonder what the losses would be for piping hydrogen to a
neighborhood electricity plant vs running electricity through
wires?
Pipe shouldn't be much harder than natual gas - execpt H2 is
Curt wrote:
...I wonder what the losses would be for piping hydrogen to a neighborhood
electricity plant vs running electricity through wires?
Reconsider.
I suggest that our concepts of utility centralized need some revamp.
What? - I dunno, but it seems there is room for other concepts, i.e.
Curt wrote:
I don't think you actually have to burn it to get electricity. I *think* the
fuel cell deal just recombines it with oxygen in a flameless magic which
produces water and electricity.
Where's our LANL expert when we need him to explain sruff. Oh wait...
I see he has the next msg
PM
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Toyota to share its fuel-cell car patents with the worldPublished:
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Sharing is caring for Toyota, which announced yesterday that it would make
6,000 of its hydrogen-powered fuel-cell car patents
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Sent: Wednesday, January 7, 2015 2:08 PM
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Oh, they're definitely motivated by self interest, but that's fine by me. I
was a H2 skeptic but my opinion got turned around when I learned
Toyota to share its fuel-cell car patents with the worldPublished:
Wednesday, January 7, 2015
Sharing is caring for Toyota, which announced yesterday that it would make
6,000 of its hydrogen-powered fuel-cell car patents available free of
charge. The patents include rights to technology and
tidal plant...
-Curt
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Oh, they're
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