Re: Mersenne: P4 - a correction

2000-11-28 Thread Martijn
I do not have a problem with prime95 / mprime taking any amount of memory, as long as thrashing is adequately dealt with. I am currently trying to get assignments as small as possible for memory reasons, with (from prime95 point of view) enough memory present 95% of the day, the other 5% being

Re: Mersenne: P4 - a correction

2000-11-28 Thread Jean Flinois
Hello all, here are my 2 euros ... Why don't you act with the memory as you act with the CPU ? I mean : If the machine needs it, swap the info to disk, give the memory back, and go survey the machine's need until you can grab the memory again. It's not as real time as if can be done to steal the

Re: Mersenne: P4 - a correction

2000-11-28 Thread Shane Amy Sanford
A question for readers. Prime95 currently uses about 8MB (exponent around 11 million). How would you feel if the P4 optimized version used 13MB? 23MB? 33MB? I hate to code up 3 versions of the P4 code (small, medium, large), but it might be necessary. Whether 33MB is important depends

Re: Mersenne: P4 - a correction

2000-11-28 Thread Brian J. Beesley
On 28 Nov 00, at 0:15, Jeramy Ross wrote: 33MB shouldn't be too unreasonable. I, like Nathan, have 128MB and 70MB of that is set to be available in Prime95 and have not seen any loss of performance. Well, you won't be _using_ 70 MBytes, except whilst running P-1 stage 2 on a large

Re: Mersenne: P4 - a correction

2000-11-28 Thread Brian J. Beesley
On 28 Nov 00, at 10:26, Martijn wrote: I do not have a problem with prime95 / mprime taking any amount of memory, as long as thrashing is adequately dealt with. I am currently trying to get assignments as small as possible for memory reasons, with (from prime95 point of view) enough memory

Re: Mersenne: P4 - a correction

2000-11-28 Thread John R Pierce
One of the nicer things about the windoze implementation of mprime is the facility to manually stop restart the program from the main menu. It gives up its main workspace whilst suspended in this way, though obviously retaining the relatively small resources belonging to its process

Re: Mersenne: P4 - a correction

2000-11-28 Thread Martijn
John R Pierce wrote: One of the nicer things about the windoze implementation of mprime is the facility to manually stop restart the program from the main menu. It gives up its main workspace whilst suspended in this way, though obviously retaining the relatively small resources

RE: Mersenne: P4 - a correction

2000-11-28 Thread Willmore, David (VS Central)
George wrote: One correction to my previous post. I said that the latency to access the L1 data cache was 2 clocks. This is correct for integer instructions only. For floating point and SSE2 instructions the latency is 6 clocks! Interestingly, the L2 cache latency is 7 clocks for

Mersenne Digest V1 #795

2000-11-28 Thread Mersenne Digest
Mersenne Digest Tuesday, November 28 2000 Volume 01 : Number 795 -- Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 22:45:41 +0100 From: "Hoogendoorn, Sander" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Mersenne: OT: Home Primes A bit Off Topic, but i

Mersenne: Re: P4 - a correction

2000-11-28 Thread George Woltman
Hi, At 07:45 AM 11/28/00 +, Brian J. Beesley wrote: Surely the latency is much less relevant than the throughput, provided that there are sufficient registers and pipeline entries. True. The manuals are unclear as to how many XMM registers are available. There are 8 user visible ones and

Mersenne: More on Compression

2000-11-28 Thread Stephan T. Lavavej
This 'Wonderful' compression technology maybe "Awesome"; however, MY main objection or perhaps philosophy towards all of this is that Prime95 is not a large piece of code. It takes a relatively small amount of time to download over a modem compared to other software items that we modem

Re: Mersenne: More on Compression

2000-11-28 Thread xqrpa
- Original Message - From: Stephan T. Lavavej [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2000 2:06 PM Subject: Mersenne: More on Compression The P4 at 1.5 GHz is just the beginning of a sequence of ever faster processors which I think will dominate the

Re: Mersenne: More on Compression

2000-11-28 Thread Jeramy Ross
*SNIP* The question is, if compression involves a one-time, five-minute cost on the part of the developer and saves everyone a few seconds of download time and a few K of HD space, then why not? Why have bloated code? I sure like looking at 200K executables instead of megabyte and larger

Mersenne: Re: More on Compression

2000-11-28 Thread Steinar H. Gunderson
On Tue, Nov 28, 2000 at 02:06:41PM -0800, Stephan T. Lavavej wrote: The question is, if compression involves a one-time, five-minute cost on the part of the developer and saves everyone a few seconds of download time and a few K of HD space, then why not? Perhaps since UPX requires a writable

Re: Mersenne: More on Compression

2000-11-28 Thread Nathan Russell
I can see something like this being worth it for a very large executable - this summer, I was forced to download the Sun JDK over a 56k modem. It wasn't fun. However, the question we must consider is whether saving space in a 1-meg executable is worth the extra trouble for all concerned, as

Re: Mersenne: More on Compression

2000-11-28 Thread Stephan T. Lavavej
However, the question we must consider is whether saving space in a 1-meg executable is worth the extra trouble for all concerned, as well as using a non-standard compression format. No, no, no! Okay, UPX packing is not an archival format like .ZIP is. It is applied to a .EXE file and

Re: Mersenne: More on Compression

2000-11-28 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Tue, 28 Nov 2000, Nathan Russell wrote: However, the question we must consider is whether saving space in a 1-meg executable is worth the extra trouble for all concerned, as well as using a non-standard compression format. If you want to keep stuff compressed on your disk, use the e2compr

Re: Mersenne: More on Compression

2000-11-28 Thread Rjpresser
I vote no, if anyone's counting.   Stephan, if compressing the executable is that important to you, why not just compress your own copy?  It really sounds as though many of the resident list experts feel this is a bad idea.

Re: Mersenne: More on Compression

2000-11-28 Thread Stephan T. Lavavej
I vote no, if anyone's counting. (A), It's not a vote, Stephan, if compressing it is that important to you, why not just compress your own copy? (B), I have, but everyone should enjoy the benefits of having a smaller Prime95 executable, as minor as they may be. It really sounds as though

Re: Mersenne: More on Compression

2000-11-28 Thread Greg Hewgill
On Tue, Nov 28, 2000 at 09:21:03PM -0800, Stephan T. Lavavej wrote: Packed executables also have an advantage on networked systems: they can be transmitted to other computers faster, thereby creating the illusion of increased startup speed. Be careful; this idea may end up backfiring on you.