Mersenne: GIMPS Forum

2003-01-25 Thread Rick Pali
Our policy now is nobody owns the content... I guess that makes it public domain... Not exactly. Unless the posters specifically state that their posts are public domain, they still retain ownership. Even a note stating that a condition of posting is that what's posted is automatically releas

Re: Mersenne: Re: Mersenne Digest V1 #1037

2003-01-25 Thread Richard Woods
Gordon Spence wrote: [snip] >> I think there's a fairly well-established consensus that in >> the context of GIMPS/Primenet, "to poach" means "to run a >> (L-L, usually) test while it is assigned by Primenet to a >> different GIMPS participant" or something similar. There's >> another consensus th

Re: Mersenne: Communication between GIMPS Forum and Mersenne mailing list (was: Poaching -- Discouragement thereof)

2003-01-25 Thread Richard Woods
Mikus Grinbergs wrote: < several good ideas > > > mikus (not looking at the GIMPS forums) Mikus is just one of the contributors to the Mersenne list discussion who has not only independently reached some of the same conclusions posted slightly earlier on the GIMPS Forum, but also come up with n

Mersenne: Re: Mersenne Digest V1 #1037

2003-01-25 Thread Gordon Spence
Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 03:32:43 -0500 From: "Richard Woods" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Mersenne: Re: Mersenne Digest V1 #1036 Gordon Spence wrote: > Of course, as this is a *public* volunteer project, there > are a lot of us, who have been in the project for a long-time > (6+ years) [snip]

Re: Mersenne: Poaching and related issues...

2003-01-25 Thread Eric Hahn
At 09:50 AM 1/25/03 -0600, Shane Sanford wrote: >> Increasing the difficulty for a poacher to _find_ a tempting >> target would mean other participants could be less concerned >> about making themselves into such a target, and just >> concentrate on doing the work they considered most suitable >> w

Re: Mersenne: Poaching -- Discouragement thereof

2003-01-25 Thread Mikus Grinbergs
I participate in other distributed_computing projects as well. Though I personally could care less about the statistics of any project, I notice that there is an entire subculture focused on tracking one's own work vs. that of the other participants. My proposal is simple -- If someone "poaches" (

Re: Mersenne: Communication between GIMPS Forum and Mersenne mailinglist (was: Poaching -- Discouragement thereof)

2003-01-25 Thread Anurag Garg
I have no idea how something like this might be implemented but it might be an idea to have all new posts in the forum compacted in a digest form and posted to the list daily or even weekly. Also, it would be nice if one could post on the forum via email - but I guess that would be hard. I'm jus

Re: Mersenne: Communication between GIMPS Forum and Mersenne mailing list (was: Poaching -- Discouragement thereof)

2003-01-25 Thread Michael Vang
In no particular order... >>>The correct way to do discussion lists has never really been mail or web, but news (NNTP). This way everything stays under its own thread, and no-one has to download the whole page of forum discussions to get the one extra message at the bottom. An idea, but I suspect

Re: Mersenne: Poaching -- Discouragement thereof

2003-01-25 Thread Eric Hahn
>On Wednesday 22 January 2003 22:50, Richard Woods wrote: >> Here's what I've just posted in the GIMPS Forum. >> >> - - - >> >> _IF_ PrimeNet has automatic time limits on assignments, ordinarily >> requiring no manual intervention to expire assignments or re-assign >> them, then why would any GIMP

Re: Mersenne: Poaching and related issues...

2003-01-25 Thread Shane Sanford
> Increasing the difficulty for a poacher to _find_ a tempting target > would mean other participants could be less concerned about making > themselves into such a target, and just concentrate on doing the work > they considered most suitable within the rules. If the rules you are referring to inc

Re: Mersenne: Poaching -- Discouragement thereof

2003-01-25 Thread Brian J. Beesley
On Saturday 25 January 2003 02:07, John R Pierce wrote: > > But, no, you won't be able to complete a 10M on a P100 ;-) > > my slowest machine still on primenet is a p150 that has 60 days to finish > 14581247, its been working on it for about 300 days now, 24/7, with nearly > zero downtime. 2.22 se

Re: Mersenne: Communication between GIMPS Forum and Mersenne mailing list

2003-01-25 Thread Brian J. Beesley
On Saturday 25 January 2003 05:38, Michael Vang wrote: > > Well, to be honest, not much more can be done... As it is now, we have > several mechanisms in place to enable people with dialup access the > ability to log on and get done right quick... What about posting (a digest of) forum messages on

Re: Mersenne: Poaching and related issues...

2003-01-25 Thread Steinar H. Gunderson
On Sat, Jan 25, 2003 at 03:38:14AM -0500, Richard Woods wrote: > The cases of conflict you cite had no such method for avoiding > duplication/overlap. Early GIMPS and the other project > (Slowinski/Cray) had no common agreement or method for avoiding > duplication. Umm, I've not been in this proje

Re: Mersenne: Communication between GIMPS Forum and Mersenne mailing list (was: Poaching -- Discouragement thereof)

2003-01-25 Thread Steinar H. Gunderson
On Sat, Jan 25, 2003 at 12:38:35AM -0500, Michael Vang wrote: > Well, to be honest, not much more can be done... As it is now, we have > several mechanisms in place to enable people with dialup access the > ability to log on and get done right quick... > > 1) There are no heavy graphics usage... (

Re: Mersenne: Communication between GIMPS Forum and Mersenne mailinglist (was: Poaching -- Discouragement thereof)

2003-01-25 Thread Gareth Randall
If this is happening big time then the list is finished, and is basically an announcement-only list. I'm sure many people like the fact that mailing list messages come to them, rather than them having to make time to go and browse a website and deduce the updates from remembering when they last vi

Re: Mersenne: Re: Mersenne Digest V1 #1036

2003-01-25 Thread Richard Woods
Gordon Spence wrote: > Of course, as this is a *public* volunteer project, there > are a lot of us, who have been in the project for a long-time > (6+ years) ... which got me wondering when I started, which was: Sun, 08 Dec 1996 (at least that's when I requested my first range) 6 years, 48 days

Re: Mersenne: Poaching and related issues...

2003-01-25 Thread Richard Woods
Nathan Russell wrote: > Okay, to start with, GIMPS lost the very first prime we ever found > to a member of another project who beat George to finding the > exponent by a matter of hours. This is simply the way math and other > fields of research work. Darwin's theory of evolution was very > nearly