Re: Mersenne: Re: Trial Factoring: Back to the math

2002-02-17 Thread bjb
On 16 Feb 2002, at 12:26, Mary Conner wrote: Trial factoring is well ahead of LL testing, but the gap is closing. Yesterday was the first day in a long time where the net number of checkouts for factoring exceeded those for first time LL's. That is due to the fact that one team is having

Re: Mersenne: Re: Trial Factoring: Back to the math

2002-02-17 Thread Russel Brooks
Am I interpreting this thread correctly? That more factoring is needed? My climb up the LL top producers is starting to stall so maybe it's time to switch to factoring. I know the LL tests drive the FPU hard, what about factoring? Cheers... Russ

Assignment balancing (was: Re: Mersenne: Re: Trial Factoring: Back to the math)

2002-02-17 Thread bjb
On 17 Feb 2002, at 17:54, Russel Brooks wrote: Am I interpreting this thread correctly? That more factoring is needed? My climb up the LL top producers is starting to stall so maybe it's time to switch to factoring. I'm quite sure there's no need to panic! So far as I'm concerned, I've

RE: Assignment balancing (was: Re: Mersenne: Re: Trial Factoring: Back to the math)

2002-02-17 Thread Aaron Blosser
: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:mersenne-invalid- [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2002 2:55 PM To: Russel Brooks Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Assignment balancing (was: Re: Mersenne: Re: Trial Factoring: Back to the math) On 17 Feb 2002, at 17:54

Re: Mersenne: Re: Trial Factoring: Back to the math

2002-02-17 Thread Mary Conner
On Sun, 17 Feb 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ah, but, factoring is actually moving ahead anyway in terms of CPU years required for LL to catch up - because larger exponents take more time to LL test. My impression is that the gap between the head of the factoring assignment queue and the

Re: Mersenne: Re: Trial Factoring: Back to the math

2002-02-17 Thread Justin Valcourt
Me as well. From what I understand the breakpoints to be, my K6-2 400 would be put on first time LL's by default. I tried it on DC's, but the FPU is so poor that it is really only suited to factoring. My 466 Celeron could do LL's very slowly, but given the relative balance between LL's and

Re: Mersenne: Re: Trial Factoring: Back to the math

2002-02-16 Thread bjb
On 15 Feb 2002, at 18:35, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The algorithm under discussion does share some superficial features with p-1, in that we do a bunch of a big-integer modular multiplies followed by a gcd to extract any factors. But in fact we have complete control over the factors that

Re: Mersenne: Re: Trial Factoring: Back to the math

2002-02-16 Thread Mary Conner
On Sat, 16 Feb 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is this _really_ a problem, or is it likely to become one in the forseeable future? Trial factoring is well ahead of LL testing at present, and seems to be still pulling further ahead, despite the improvement in the relative efficiency of LL

Re: Mersenne: Re: Trial Factoring: Back to the math

2002-02-16 Thread George Woltman
At 05:18 PM 2/16/2002 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So the viability of the new algorithm depends on whether we can compute P*F (mod 2^p-1) faster than we can compute 2^p (mod F). To put it in perspective, let's say you are looking for 64 bit factors of a 10,000,000 bit number. The basic

Re: Mersenne: Re: Trial Factoring: Back to the math

2002-02-16 Thread bjb
On 16 Feb 2002, at 15:42, George Woltman wrote: To put it in perspective, let's say you are looking for 64 bit factors of a 10,000,000 bit number. The basic algorithm is: Multiply 156,250 trial factors together to form a 10,000,000 bit number. do {

Re: Mersenne: Re: Trial Factoring: Back to the math

2002-02-15 Thread bjb
On 14 Feb 2002, at 20:00, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rich Schroeppel [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The cost analysis of trial factoring by GCDs of 2^P-1 with the product of many small candidate divisors ignores an important optimization: All the candidates can be multiplied together mod

Mersenne: Re: Trial Factoring: Back to the math

2002-02-15 Thread EWMAYER
Brian Beesley writes: Umm. Can someone please reassure me that we're not re-inventing P-1 stage 1? The algorithm under discussion does share some superficial features with p-1, in that we do a bunch of a big-integer modular multiplies followed by a gcd to extract any factors. But in fact we

Mersenne: Re: Trial Factoring: Back to the math

2002-02-14 Thread EWMAYER
Rich Schroeppel [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The cost analysis of trial factoring by GCDs of 2^P-1 with the product of many small candidate divisors ignores an important optimization: All the candidates can be multiplied together mod 2^P-1, and ONLY ONE GCD NEEDS TO BE DONE. The major cost is

Mersenne: Re: Trial Factoring: Back to the math.

2002-02-12 Thread EWMAYER
Bruce Leenstra wrote: What this list needs right now is a nice juicy math debate, so here goes: I was reading the faq about P-1 factoring, and it talks about constructing a 'q' that is the product of all primes less than B1 (with some multiples?) ... Right now Prime95 constructs a list of

Mersenne: Re: Trial Factoring: Back to the math.

2002-02-12 Thread Bruce Leenstra
Bruce Leenstra wrote: What this list needs right now is a nice juicy math debate, so here goes: I was reading the faq about P-1 factoring, and it talks about constructing a 'q' that is the product of all primes less than B1 (with some multiples?) ... Right now Prime95 constructs a list of