[uf-discuss] hCard-o-matic toplevel div not address?

hi, can someone pleas explain me why hCard creator uses a as a toplevel element and not an element? best regards jan ptacek ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microforma

RE: [uf-discuss] hCard-o-matic toplevel div not address?

Jan, If I understand it correctly it comes down to the definition of the address tag. It is designed to markup information related to the author of a particular page (if this is true then you can use the address tag). I am sure if this is incorrect someone will correct me. HTH, Steve -Ori

Re: [uf-discuss] hCard-o-matic toplevel div not address?

On 10/16/06, Steve Robillard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Jan, If I understand it correctly it comes down to the definition of the address tag. It is designed to markup information related to the author of a particular page (if this is true then you can use the address tag). I am sure if this is

Re: [uf-discuss] hCard-o-matic toplevel div not address?

Hi, as usually, w3c is giving as a really wonderfull spec: The ADDRESS element MAY be used by authors to supply contact information for a document or a major part of a document such as a form. This element often appears at the beginning or end of a document. http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/glo

Re: [uf-discuss] hCard-o-matic toplevel div not address?

On 10/16/06, Jan Ptacek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi, as usually, w3c is giving as a really wonderfull spec: The ADDRESS element MAY be used by authors to supply contact information for a document or a major part of a document such as a form. This element often appears at the beginning or end of

Re: [uf-discuss] hCard-o-matic toplevel div not address?

On 10/16/06, Jan Ptacek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi, as usually, w3c is giving as a really wonderfull spec: The ADDRESS element MAY be used by authors to supply contact information for a document or a major part of a document such as a form. This element often appears at the beginning or end of

Re: [uf-discuss] hCard-o-matic toplevel div not address?

Ohoo! Thank you. On 10/16/06, Ciaran McNulty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 10/16/06, Jan Ptacek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > as usually, w3c is giving as a really wonderfull spec: > The ADDRESS element MAY be used by authors to supply contact > information for a document or a major part of

RE: [uf-discuss] ANN: The Purpose of Microformats

Thanks Rob. Good suggestion. I have added two new slides - one that shows an example Microformat, the second shows an aggregator collecting Microformats in Web pages. http://www.xfront.com/microformats/Purpose-of-Microformats.html Thanks! /Roger -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECT

Re: [uf-discuss] Idea: beginners/getting started list

I find it's a lot easier to follow one list rather than three... but perhaps that's just me. On 10/14/06, Bob Jonkman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: How about microformats-new , along with an open microformats-dev, and keep microformats- discuss for existing, established microformats. microformats

Re: [uf-discuss] Idea: beginners/getting started list

As someone who's helped set up and determine mailing list policy, it's MUCH easier to have as few lists as possible. I think the idea of a "newbie" list is good, but everything else is really relevant to everyone involved. When creating new mailing lists, a good question to ask is: "How man

Re: [uf-discuss] Idea: beginners/getting started list

On 10/16/06 5:27 AM, "Colin Barrett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > As someone who's helped set up and determine mailing list policy, it's > MUCH easier to have as few lists as possible. Colin, I tend to agree with this, and as such that's why we only started with three lists which were varied base

Re: [uf-discuss] Idea: beginners/getting started list

I was not sure if the discuss list was the best place to send the "spread the semantic web" message (thanks Chris, for suggesting this). So is this the best place for pure marketing messages? Or is this frowned upon? Best, Alex On 10/14/06, Bob Jonkman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: How about mi

Re: [uf-discuss] spread/marketing

(subject updated) On 10/16/06 10:15 AM, "Alex Piner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I was not sure if the discuss list was the best place to send the > "spread the semantic web" message (thanks Chris, for suggesting this). I'm not even sure it is the right message. To be frank, IMHO the term "sem

Re: [uf-discuss] Idea: beginners/getting started list

On Oct 16, 2006, at 12:05 PM, Tantek Çelik wrote: I'd like to see some suggestions for the name of this new list. Here is what I have so far: * microformats-new (focusing on discussing "new" microformats) * microformats-research (focusing on the essential, and often overlooked by first-t

[uf-discuss] hCalendar spec- no specification included!

I've just been introducing a colleague to the concept of hCalendar; and referred her to: http://microformats.org/wiki/hCalendar She was baffled; not lest because, though the page had a treatise on "Semantic XHTML Design Principles", it didn't list the hCalendar fields, let alone say whic

Re: [uf-discuss] Idea: beginners/getting started list

Scott, someone had previously proposed microformats-research. It achieves the same goal as microformats-process and seems to be a little more clear. -justin ** Justin Thorp Contractor - Library of Congress e - [EMAIL PROTECTED] p - 202/707-9541 >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/16/06

Re: [uf-discuss] hCalendar spec- no specification included!

On 10/16/06 10:38 AM, "Andy Mabbett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I've just been introducing a colleague to the concept of hCalendar; and > referred her to: > > http://microformats.org/wiki/hCalendar > > She was baffled; not lest because, though the page had a treatise on > "Semantic XH

Re: [uf-discuss] hCalendar spec- no specification included!

I think the pages the way they are presented now are a bit hard to process and understand. I remember for me it took some time to initally dig through the specification to find what I was actually looking for. I just wanted to figure out how to write an hCard. Andy, I look forward to seeing t

Re: [uf-discuss] hCalendar spec- no specification included!

On 10/16/06 10:49 AM, "Justin Thorp" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think the pages the way they are presented now are a bit hard to process and > understand. Justin, your feedback on this is greatly valued. If you can be specific about *which* pages, and what about them are hard to understand,

Re: [uf-discuss] spread/marketing

I'm not even sure it is the right message. To be frank, IMHO the term "semantic web" has far too much baggage that would likely drag any effort that uses it, whether using microformats or RDF etc. I can see that. Part of the idea of spreadsemweb is clarification of what it is, and how one could

[uf-discuss] Mozilla brainstorms Firefox 3.0

News: Wiki: uFs are already mentioned on the latter; not least in: --

Re: [uf-discuss] Idea: beginners/getting started list

On 10/16/06 10:44 AM, "Justin Thorp" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Scott, someone had previously proposed microformats-research. It achieves the > same goal as microformats-process and seems to be a little more clear. Justin, Scott, good points and suggestions. Just so we can keep track of the

Re: [uf-discuss] Re: Idea: beginners/getting started list

On 10/14/06 3:29 PM, "Christopher Rines" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Tantek wrote: >> ... >> I like the suggestions of opening up microformats-dev as well. >> Anybody else on the list have thoughts? > > I am using microformats extensively in my project but at the moment it is > not ready for the

Re: [uf-discuss] "Casual Web Services" and Well Designed Urls

On Oct 14, 2006, at 2:02 AM, Mike Schinkel wrote: ... 1.) Promote the use of Well Designed Urls by website owners/ developers, 2.) Promote having vendors design tools that make Well Designed Urls easy to implement, 3.) Provide best practices for URL structure design and implementation, an

Re: [uf-discuss] hCalendar spec- no specification included!

In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Tantek Çelik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes >On 10/16/06 10:38 AM, "Andy Mabbett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> >> I've just been introducing a colleague to the concept of hCalendar; and >> referred her to: >> >> http://microformats.org/wiki/hCalendar >> >> She

Re: [uf-discuss] hCalendar spec- no specification included!

In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Justin Thorp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes >I think the pages the way they are presented now are a bit hard to >process and understand. I think they're an unreadable, inaccessible and arrogant mess. >Andy, I look forward to seeing the fruits of your labor. You'll ha

Re: [uf-discuss] hCalendar spec- no specification included!

On 10/16/06 11:30 AM, "Andy Mabbett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Tantek Çelik > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes > >> On 10/16/06 10:38 AM, "Andy Mabbett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> >>> I've just been introducing a colleague to the concept of hCalendar; and >>>

Re: [uf-discuss] hCalendar spec- no specification included!

In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Tantek Çelik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes > If you can be specific about *which* pages, and what about them are >hard to understand, that would be very helpful. Here's a hint: most people new to hCalendar (some of them, it will apparently come as a surprise to you, n

Re: [uf-discuss] hCalendar spec- no specification included!

In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Andy Mabbett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes > Note also that I didn't >"rewrite a spec", I reordered the preamble to it and attempted to >clarify it. -- Andy Mabbett Say "NO!" to compulsory ID Cards: Free Our

Re: [uf-discuss] hCalendar spec- no specification included!

On 10/16/06 11:53 AM, "Andy Mabbett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> If you can be specific about *which* pages, and what about them are >> hard to understand, that would be very helpful. > > Here's a hint: most people new to hCalendar (some of them, it will > apparently come as a surprise to you,

[uf-discuss] there appears to be a calm in the species/currency/mars storm

Can anyone tell me what is meant by "there appears to be a calm in the species/currency/mars storm" ? -- Andy Mabbett Say "NO!" to compulsory ID Cards: Free Our Data: __

Re: [uf-discuss] hCalendar spec- no specification included!

In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Tantek Çelik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes >>> and would ask that you please refrain from doing so single-handedly. >> >> I haven't dome anything "single-handedly". You quote me asking for >> contributions! > >And you have made excellent contributions. > >But asking fo

Re: [uf-discuss] hReview Creator bug?

Should be fixed with http://hg.microformats.org/generators? cs=390ff020ff01 . Fix deployed, too. -ryan On Oct 15, 2006, at 8:44 AM, Conor O'Neill wrote: I've been playing with the hReview Creator and I think there may be a bug in the URL field handling. If you set type=product and enter a U

Re: [uf-discuss] hCalendar spec- no specification included!

On 10/16/06 12:30 PM, "Andy Mabbett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Imagine what would happen if everyone attempted to do so (or even just a >> dozen people). There would be a lot of thrash, and worse still, the pages >> that are stable and reliable would become less so to the readers of those >>

Re: [uf-discuss] hCalendar spec- no specification included!

In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Tantek Çelik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes >On 10/16/06 11:53 AM, "Andy Mabbett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> If you can be specific about *which* pages, and what about them are >>> hard to understand, that would be very helpful. >> >> Here's a hint: most people ne

Re: [uf-discuss] hCalendar spec- no specification included!

Quick Summary: * Lots of interest in wiki improvement * Work I've done * Please Help! I've noticed there are lots of people interested in changing the wiki in various ways. Perhaps it would help if can converge around some common goals to rally our work around. I don't think anyone has any obje

Re: [uf-discuss] hCalendar spec- no specification included!

In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Tantek Çelik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes >On 10/16/06 12:30 PM, "Andy Mabbett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> Imagine what would happen if everyone attempted to do so (or even just a >>> dozen people). There would be a lot of thrash, and worse still, the pages >>>

Re: [uf-discuss] hReview Creator bug?

Looks good here Ryan, thanks. Ryan King wrote: Should be fixed with http://hg.microformats.org/generators?cs=390ff020ff01 . Fix deployed, too. -ryan On Oct 15, 2006, at 8:44 AM, Conor O'Neill wrote: I've been playing with the hReview Creator and I think there may be a bug in the URL field h

Re: [uf-discuss] hCalendar spec- no specification included!

In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Benjamin West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes >Quick Summary: >* Lots of interest in wiki improvement >* Work I've done >* Please Help! > >I've noticed there are lots of people interested in changing the wiki >in various ways. Perhaps it would help if can converge aroun

RE: [uf-discuss] "Casual Web Services" and Well Designed Urls

>> Honestly I think this is the most important part. Who cares how aesthetically pleasing or well organized a URL scheme is if it's not reliable? Please start with these: http://www.mikeschinkel.com/blog/welldesignedurlsarebeautiful.aspx Notice this post has been picked up by numerous other blogge

Re: [uf-discuss] hCalendar spec- no specification included!

Ben, I really like your idea of giving the wiki a better sense of organization. Is it possible within MediaWiki to have some type of sidebar navigation with this site organization on it? I think this would help users to better find the information that they are looking for. For example, I am a

Re: [uf-discuss] hCalendar spec- no specification included!

Andy, Thanks for the prompt response; apologies if my own aren't so prompt. There also seems to be a presumption that "newbies" will initially be interested in "authoring", that is almost certainly fallacious, and at best unsupported by evidence. Ah, that's interesting. Mind if I quote you o

Re: [uf-discuss] hCalendar spec- no specification included!

On 10/16/06, Justin Thorp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Ben, I really like your idea of giving the wiki a better sense of organization. Justin, thanks, but this isn't my idea. Many others have expressed their ideas and desires as well. Is it possible within MediaWiki to have some type of sideb

Reorganizing the Wiki is Fun for Everyone (Was: [uf-discuss] hCalendar spec- no specification included!)

On Oct 16, 2006, at 3:16 PM, Benjamin West wrote: I'd love to see Andy, Phae, Scott, Tantek, and anyone else interested in improving the wiki start to use the to-do list so I can align my organizational thoughts with everyone. Perhaps we can even run some kind of virtual card sort to help estab

[uf-discuss] currency quickpoll results and suggested next step

See below the results for "What do you think are the [4] most important features [out of 8] for the currency proposal?" Thank you to all who have participated. My recommended next step is to edit the current proposal so that it focuses only on the 3 top features below, with the goal to get a f

Re: Reorganizing the Wiki is Fun for Everyone (Was: [uf-discuss] hCalendar spec- no specification included!)

* http://microformats.org/wiki/to-do#Information_Architecture - Now exists to collect suggestions for organization, structure, and usability of the content we make available. * http://microformats.org/wiki/wiki-feedback - Now exists to collect instances and accounts of people having trouble using

[uf-discuss] Wiki Editing and Process + Tone of Voice

I've been reading with interest the discussion between Andy and Tantek and I need to make a comment, take it for what it is my thought and nothing more. Wiki Editing and Process: As I understand it a Wiki is a site which allows users to add and edit content collectively, but what this definition

RE: [uf-discuss] ANN: The Purpose of Microformats

Roger: Nit: "Semantic Hooks" mentions "class, rel, and rev" but not "title." Next, my first thought was I found the beginning confusing. The first slide I read is "Purpose of Microformats" and the second is (X)HTML. As I read the second (and third) I'm trying to figure out where the microformat

RE: [uf-discuss] currency quickpoll results and suggested next step

My opinion is this sounds like a great idea! Will you be doing the edit on the current proposal? I am surprised however at the number of people who felt "Currency unit/denomination used identification" was important and it seems like an edge case to me. I'm hoping that this become an optional asp

RE: [uf-discuss] currency quickpoll results and suggested next step

Mike Schinkel wrote > I am surprised however at the number of people who felt > "Currency unit/denomination used identification" was > important and it seems like an edge case to me. I'm hoping > that this become an optional aspect as opposed to always > required, and the same with amount, actu

RE: [uf-discuss] currency quickpoll results and suggested next step

>> This may be a fact of test bias. I was wondering if that might not be the case. I actually only voted for 3 of 8 as I felt the other 5 were ideally out-of-scope. >> It seems to me that denomination or unit is about presentation, not the data. I concur. >> No offense, btw, to Guillaume

RE: [uf-discuss] Wiki Editing and Process + Tone of Voice

Christopher: I concur and wanted to email something similar, but I didn't want to be "the messenger that was shot." Thanks for interjecting! -Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christopher Rines Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 6:51 PM T

RE: [uf-discuss] hCalendar spec- no specification included!

I agree that the current layout is confusing. After reading several of these email I would like to make a suggestion that is smaller scope than an entire reorganization (which still might be a good idea.) Tantek suggests that "the specifications are not tutorials" and others have said that they (

RE: [uf-discuss] Idea: beginners/getting started list

JMTCW, I vote for just one list. I can mentally filter out the ones I don't care about and it's easier to figure out which list to post to that way. -Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Colin Barrett Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 8:27 A

RE: [uf-discuss] hCard-o-matic toplevel div not address?

>> The address tag ... is designed to markup information related to the author of a particular page Too bad sites like the following don't make that more clear (reading it I never would have come to the conclusion that it was for the author of the current page): http://www.w3schools.com/tags/tag

Re: [uf-discuss] Idea: beginners/getting started list

Scott Reynen wrote: On Oct 16, 2006, at 12:05 PM, Tantek Çelik wrote: I'd like to see some suggestions for the name of this new list. Here is what I have so far: * microformats-new (focusing on discussing "new" microformats) I think that one suffers from a simlar problem to the -propose su

RE: [uf-discuss] ANN: The Purpose of Microformats

Another nit I just realized. I think you need to point out that it is legal to have more than one class in a class attribute (i.e. class="foo bar"). I always assumed that you could have only have one class per element. My immediate reaction to Microformats was they were not practical until my mis

Re: [uf-discuss] hCalendar spec- no specification included!

Mike, Thanks for you suggestion. I believe this is exactly what cgriego and Andy and I have just suggested. Would you mind confiming this on the to-do page under my name [1]? If it somehow differs from the suggestions there (under information architecture) would you please explain how it diffe

Re: [uf-discuss] ANN: The Purpose of Microformats

Mike, I've added the lack of goals to wiki-feedback. I've also added to the faq to add your point about multiple classes in elements. It needs some polishing; I did little more than ask the question and then answer "yes". Ben On 10/16/06, Mike

RE: [uf-discuss] hCalendar spec- no specification included!

>> Would you mind confiming this on the to-do page under my name [1]? I added, see if it is what you were wanting... >> If it somehow differs from the suggestions there (under information architecture) would you please explain how it differs? Okay. Note I did not change anything outside my c

RE: [uf-discuss] Idea: beginners/getting started list

My thoughts on list re-organization: microformats-process sounds like it would be about the microformats /process/, which is generally fairly stable, even if newbies don't quite understand it at first. microformats-research reads like it would be about either researching microformats or microform

Re: [uf-discuss] "Casual Web Services" and Well Designed Urls

Le 14 oct. 2006 à 18:02, Mike Schinkel a écrit : I recently started working on a project I'm calling "Well Designed Urls" (http:///www.welldesignedurls.org/) that has been a pet issue of mine for a long time. See my Aug 2005 blog post: http://www.mikeschinkel.com/blog/welldesignedurlsare

Re: [uf-discuss] hCalendar spec- no specification included!

Mike, this is great. I really like it. Remember to check back and make sure progress is happening. Feel free to give me a nudge if I'm unresponsive. Ben On 10/16/06, Mike Schinkel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Would you mind confiming this on the to-do page under my name [1]? I added, see

Re: RE: [uf-discuss] hCard-o-matic toplevel div not address?

This has been discussed previously and Steve is correct http://microformats.org/discuss/mail/microformats-discuss/2005-June/13.html http://microformats.org/discuss/mail/microformats-discuss/2005-November/001870.html This has been previously codified on the wiki: http://microformats.org/wiki

RE: [uf-discuss] hCalendar spec- no specification included!

Thanks. I subscribed to the page. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Benjamin West Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 1:28 AM To: Microformats Discuss Subject: Re: [uf-discuss] hCalendar spec- no specification included! Mike, this is great. I