Re: [uf-discuss] hoard.it

2008-07-07 Thread Guillaume Lebleu
Jim O'Donnell wrote: The recent discussion here about dates has made me wonder if such a web service woud be useful for microformats parsers. What do others think? It seems to me that this type of date extraction might present risks if used by uf parsers to extract date/time from published cont

Re: [uf-discuss] Human and machine readable data format

2008-07-03 Thread Guillaume Lebleu
Bob Jonkman wrote: tomorrow Bob, assuming that screen readers only read out the content of abbr's @title, this solution looks promising (I've tried with VoiceOver, but the title content is ignored.) The only problem of course is for human content authors who a

Re: [uf-discuss] Human and machine readable data format

2008-07-02 Thread Guillaume Lebleu
Michael MD wrote: Allowing language conventions for date parsing to be determined by anything "global" sounds a bit dangerous to me. Someone might post on a shared blog/forum site in a different country and mark it up in a way that does not match a lang attribute somewhere else on the page!

[uf-discuss] Plain Old English/French/..., human-readable/hearable alternative to ISO date

2008-07-01 Thread Guillaume Lebleu
FYI. I've summarized/combined some of the ideas suggested by Glenn Jones, myself and others here [1]. I will elaborate on some of the details (ex. time) later. Guillaume [1] http://microformats.org/wiki/datetime-design-pattern#Plain_Old_English_alternative_to_ISO_date

Re: [uf-discuss] Human and machine readable data format

2008-07-01 Thread Guillaume Lebleu
Glenn Jones wrote: As the exchange between Ben and Jeremy has shown what is human readable is up for debate. Having spent far too much time looking at the ISO date formats they are all readable to me, but I know that's not the case for everyone else. We need to expand the discussion and ask thos

Re: [uf-discuss] RE: Microformats and RDFa not as far apart as previously thought

2008-06-26 Thread Guillaume Lebleu
Belov, Charles wrote: I'd suggest modifying that to not require the computer to parse the date. Something like: October 5, 2004 +1: DRY-, POSH- and "humans first"-compatible IMO. Maybe the following may be POSHer and backward-compatible with the existing dstart class name convention? Octo

Re: [uf-discuss] RE: Microformats and RDFa not as far apart as previously thought

2008-06-24 Thread Guillaume Lebleu
Toby A Inkster wrote: Guillaume Lebleu wrote: October 5, 2004 Cognition already supports this as a last ditch attempt at parsing dates - Thank you for the attempt. but I wouldn't recommend it get adopted widely. It's too unreliable; Why is this that requiring that Engli

Re: [uf-discuss] RE: Microformats and RDFa not as far apart as previously thought

2008-06-24 Thread Guillaume Lebleu
Belov, Charles wrote: I feel it is unreasonable to ask a non-technical person to produce ISO-format dates/times, so microformats do not produce an acceptable solution at this time for marking up meeting announcements. I agree that only an editor extension would make writing ISO-format date/time

Re: [uf-discuss] microformats and privacy

2008-02-09 Thread Guillaume Lebleu
Thom Shannon wrote: What is the response to the privacy argument? As a carefree technophile I'm happy publishing personal info on the web. But when you're trying to convince a major social network to add semantics that makes their users personal information easier to harvest and possibly abuse

Re: [uf-discuss] Editor integration (was: NLP was Apple Data Detectors)

2008-02-08 Thread Guillaume Lebleu
Brian Suda wrote: The ideal solution would be for somesort of plugin in the CMS so you can simply highlight areas and push a button and it will add the microformatted information Do you or anyone know of any microformats integration work with TinyMCE or any insight into why it hasn't happened

Re: [uf-discuss] Re: Apple Data Detectors

2008-02-08 Thread Guillaume Lebleu
Toby A Inkster wrote: Guillaume Lebleu wrote: What I have been thinking more and more and what this tells me again is that the same way we talk of POSH and microformats, we could talk of plain text or plain old english formats, essentially standardizing how people write dates, addresses

Re: [uf-discuss] Re: Apple Data Detectors

2008-02-08 Thread Guillaume Lebleu
Toby, Here is an implementation of what I described in my previous post by Yahoo. http://shortcuts.yahoo.com/ They offer a Wordpress plugin that detects objects from plain old english patterns as you write your blog post, then asks you for disambiguation and whether you want to link to it (to t

Re: [uf-discuss] Using hCard to publish a member list

2008-02-08 Thread Guillaume Lebleu
Walter Logeman wrote: Is there some way to get sliced and diced views of that list? An easy way for me to publish several lists or to have a list generator of some sort for viewers? Walt, not sure if the following will address all your requirements, but it is a start: I would use an HTML table

Re: [uf-discuss] haudio contributor

2008-02-07 Thread Guillaume Lebleu
Andy Mabbett wrote: In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Guillaume Lebleu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes not least because the alternative: Pink Floyd would be "optimised" (sic) to have a given name of "Pink" and a family name of "Floyd". I

Re: [uf-discuss] haudio contributor

2008-02-06 Thread Guillaume Lebleu
Andy Mabbett wrote: In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Robert O'Rourke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes And are groups/bands considered to be an organisation? Yes: Pink Floyd not least because the alternative: Pink Floyd would be "optimised" (sic) to have a given name of "P

Re: [uf-discuss] haudio contributor

2008-02-06 Thread Guillaume Lebleu
Robert O'Rourke wrote: Martin McEvoy wrote: Manu explained the differences quite nicley to me.. A role is "what you do", where a title is "what your official title is at the organization". I concur. I would add that title has a social function that role does not have. A title is inher

Re: [uf-discuss] Apple Data Detectors

2008-02-05 Thread Guillaume Lebleu
Thom Shannon wrote: Not sure if anyone's mentioned this before but the new version of Apples Mail has functionality similar to what microformats is trying to enable (hCard and hCal) You can mouse over data in an email like addresses, phone numbers and dates, then add them to your address book/c

focus of microformats (was: Re: [uf-discuss] haudio contributor)

2008-02-05 Thread Guillaume Lebleu
No. As I mentioned already, the costs listed above are the smallest in the case of structured content with little context. "Guillaume Lebleu. T(W): 415 408 5856" has less context and more structure than "My name is Guillaume Lebleu. My phone number at the office is 408-5856. My area

Re: [uf-discuss] haudio contributor

2008-02-04 Thread Guillaume Lebleu
Andy Mabbett wrote: In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Manu Sporny <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes If you really want to make the distinction between a publisher, a drummer, a singer, a technician, and someone else, you can always use an hCard and utilize the "role" property That presumes that the

Re: [uf-discuss] Calais: a POSH project?

2008-02-02 Thread Guillaume Lebleu
Bob Jonkman wrote: Via Techdirt [1] I found an interesting project called OpenCalais [2]. It seems designed to take arbitrary text documents and spit out semantic RDF. There's absolutely no mention of microformats on the OpenCalais web site, but I can see incorporating microformat markup into

Re: [uf-discuss] Possible alternative methods for "include"

2008-01-28 Thread Guillaume Lebleu
Andy Mabbett wrote: In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Guillaume Lebleu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes Andy Mabbett wrote: A brainstorm of possible alternative methods of using include in microformats, avoiding the use of the problematic "OBJECT" or empty-link varia

Re: [uf-discuss] Possible alternative methods for "include"

2008-01-25 Thread Guillaume Lebleu
Andy Mabbett wrote: A brainstorm of possible alternative methods of using include in microformats, avoiding the use of the problematic "OBJECT" or empty-link variants: Birmingham then: [...] What about: my address Birmingham ? The idea is that: ... ... The shor

Re: [uf-discuss] Hcard - marking up sms short codes

2008-01-09 Thread Guillaume Lebleu
Philip Tellis wrote: Would you, for example, put down, "preferred from 0900-1700IST, except on weekends and between the 5th and 15th of May, unless you're signed up with plan foo on provider bar" as meta info for the number? Here is a real-life example of a similar case ("opening hours" bound

Re: [uf-discuss] Hcard - marking up sms short codes

2008-01-09 Thread Guillaume Lebleu
Andy Mabbett wrote: While I'm aware that we're discussing possible changes to vcard, rather than ways of using the current hCard, I think this is a case where looking at what people actually publish (and allow for in forms) on the web; and what address-book apps allow for, would be useful (e

Re: [uf-discuss] hCard: url and tel

2008-01-08 Thread Guillaume Lebleu
Andy Mabbett wrote: In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Guillaume Lebleu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes In that same vein, we could ask: when did you last see a phone number not being a work number when both a person's formatted name and organization name were present? Today -

Re: [uf-discuss] hCard: url and tel

2008-01-08 Thread Guillaume Lebleu
Andy Mabbett wrote: In that same vein, we could ask: when did you last see a phone number not being a work number when both a person's formatted name and organization name were present? Today - and nearly every time I look at a contact page about someone who does voluntary work. Andy,

Re: [uf-discuss] Hcard - marking up sms short codes

2008-01-08 Thread Guillaume Lebleu
Philip Tellis wrote: On 08/01/2008, Jim O'Donnell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I don't understand this. Why can't type=cell be dialled for voice calls? I think the problem is that they can, but SMS short numbers can't. so should there be a way to distinguish voice enabled numbe

Re: [uf-discuss] hCard: url and tel

2008-01-07 Thread Guillaume Lebleu
Tantek Çelik wrote: On 1/7/08 5:19 PM, "Guillaume Lebleu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: "voice" in fact is already default value of the type sub-property for tel: http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard#adr_tel_email_types Thanks for the pointer. Sorry I missed that.

Re: [uf-discuss] hCard: url and tel

2008-01-07 Thread Guillaume Lebleu
Andy Mabbett wrote: When did you last see a listing of, say, Pizza restaurants that labelled each telephone number as "work"? When did you last see a listing of, say, Pizza restaurants that included the managers' home numbers? In that same vein, we could ask: when did you last see a phone n

Re: [uf-discuss] RDFa Basics video (8 minutes)

2008-01-07 Thread Guillaume Lebleu
Manu Sporny wrote: Constructive feedback would be great, as I'll probably be doing the "advanced" RDFa tutorial in a month or so, and will need to know what worked and what didn't in the RDFa Basics video. I'm relatively new to RDFa and this is a great introduction. I'm probably going to say

Re: natural language hCards (was Re: [uf-discuss] web programmers vs web designers and microformats)

2008-01-04 Thread Guillaume Lebleu
Tantek Çelik wrote: Ah ok, this is what Jeremy Keith refers to as "natural language hCards", wherein you simply markup inline references to people accordingly. I believe Wikipedia calls these "inline hCards", which sounds to me like a good name. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Hcard-b

Re: [uf-discuss] hCard to represent simple entities

2008-01-03 Thread Guillaume Lebleu
Andy Mabbett wrote: The hCard spec says that: hCard is a simple, open, distributed format for representing people, companies, organizations, and places, using a 1:1 representation of vCard (RFC2426) properties and values note that's NOT: hCard is a 1:1 represen

Re: [uf-discuss] Tentative proposal: Sub-microformats to streamline common microformat patterns for simple data

2008-01-03 Thread Guillaume Lebleu
Andy Mabbett wrote: Because they're the most appropriate semantics; I don't agree with that, but I'm not going to argue about it. and because people are already using the long-hand version of hCard to do so. vCard is an electronic business cards standard; hCard is not merely an electronic bu

Re: [uf-discuss] Tentative proposal: Sub-microformats to streamline common microformat patterns for simple data

2008-01-03 Thread Guillaume Lebleu
Andy Mabbett wrote: We could simply declare, in the manner of implied-n-optimisation, that an hCard with no children: as John Smith said Why use the semantics of an electronic business cards standard to tag an entity's name? isn't this an example of hammering unfit-for-hcard conte

Re: [uf-discuss] ufXtract - new microformats parser

2007-11-26 Thread Guillaume Lebleu
Thanks Glenn, I wonder what you and others think about the following idea. Since one of your output mechanism is XML, I thought an idea might be to use XML schema (with possibly uf-specific appinfo annotations/documentation where relevant) to declare each microformat, instead of serialized C#

Re: [uf-discuss] ufXtract - new microformats parser

2007-11-25 Thread Guillaume Lebleu
Glenn Jones wrote: It has been built from the ground up to take configuration objects which allow the parsing of different microformats or POSH patterns. Great job Glenn, I was wondering what the configuration objects look like. Do you use a grammar for each uf expressed? Thank you, Guillaume

Re: [uf-discuss] hCards and Companies

2007-09-25 Thread Guillaume Lebleu
Scott Reynen wrote: See: http://microformats.org/wiki/stock-symbol-examples Sorry I missed this one. I did vaguely remember that something had been done, but couldn't find it on http://microformats.org/wiki/exploratory-discussions What category should it be referenced in? "Current" ? Guilla

Re: [uf-discuss] hCards and Companies

2007-09-21 Thread Guillaume Lebleu
Duncan Cragg wrote: - I would like to drop in a field for the ticker code: NASDAQ:MSFT, etc; also the SEDOL and ISIN codes. I would think that stock tickers / security identifiers deserve a microformat of their own before we can think of aggregating it into other ones. I have a bit of backgrou

[uf-discuss] making img machine-readable

2007-07-11 Thread Guillaume Lebleu
Hi, Let's say a web page uses an image such as a checkmark or green/red light to represent a boolean, for instance the availability/status of a product or a program. What would be the suggested best practice to make this human-readable content machine-readable as well? I was thinking about

Re: [uf-discuss] hRelease

2007-06-29 Thread Guillaume Lebleu
H specification" or "hRelease is a POSH format". Guillaume Ernest Prabhakar wrote: Guillaume, On Jun 28, 2007, at 5:53 PM, Guillaume Lebleu wrote: Tantek Çelik wrote: Actually, this is precisely one of the reasons that a bunch of us have decided to push the POSH name/moniker. PO

Re: [uf-discuss] hRelease

2007-06-28 Thread Guillaume Lebleu
Tantek Çelik wrote: Actually, this is precisely one of the reasons that a bunch of us have decided to push the POSH name/moniker. POSH is indeed a very elegantly coined and catchy acronym, but the only problem is that it is more a procedure than a substantive - one cannot say "hRelease is a POS

Re: [uf-discuss] hRelease

2007-06-27 Thread Guillaume Lebleu
If we they choose not to follow the microformat process, what about suggesting them to call their specification a hFormat instead of a microformat? Guillaume ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microforma

hPrivacy [Re: [uf-discuss] Numbers of Microformats in the Wild?]

2007-04-12 Thread Guillaume Lebleu
Does this OpenID+hCard deals with selective privacy? i.e. showing certain information to only some class of people? I have tried to solve this problem on my own with something I call "hPrivacy". I know this is more semantic HTML than Microformats, but I think this may be relevant to this lis

Re: [uf-discuss] Re: [hcite] indentifier

2007-02-22 Thread Guillaume Lebleu
Ryan Cannon wrote: I'm not sure we want to get into the morass of defining values for TYPE, but if an identifier is for a specific resource, we should allow a way to tell which resource it's from. I have been thinking of identifiers in the context of another standard. I think this could be a sep

[uf-discuss] include-pattern support for data outside of the current page? [Was: Visible Data...a Microformat requirement?]

2006-10-26 Thread Guillaume Lebleu
The thread around invisble microformats reminded me of this example from the visible Web. Maybe relevant to this discussion, if not relevant to the include-pattern. An index page (http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/international/oilprice.html) contains currency information that applies to all pages i

Re: [uf-discuss] currency quickpoll results and suggested next step

2006-10-17 Thread Guillaume Lebleu
Joe Andrieu wrote: This may be a fact of test bias. The test asked for four answers, so I selected four answers, and #4 for me was "Currency unit/denomination used". I didn't really have my heart in it, so to speak. Sorry for this. You're welcome to change your vote, if you want to. See ea

Re: [uf-discuss] currency quickpoll results and suggested next step

2006-10-17 Thread Guillaume Lebleu
Mike Schinkel wrote: My opinion is this sounds like a great idea! Will you be doing the edit on the current proposal? yes, I intend to do before the end of this week. I am surprised however at the number of people who felt "Currency unit/denomination used identification" was important and i

[uf-discuss] currency quickpoll results and suggested next step

2006-10-16 Thread Guillaume Lebleu
See below the results for "What do you think are the [4] most important features [out of 8] for the currency proposal?" Thank you to all who have participated. My recommended next step is to edit the current proposal so that it focuses only on the 3 top features below, with the goal to get a f

Re: [uf-discuss] Currency Quickpoll: Preliminary results

2006-10-12 Thread Guillaume Lebleu
In my previous table example, you should read: price 24 Guillaume ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss

Re: [uf-discuss] Currency Quickpoll: Preliminary results

2006-10-12 Thread Guillaume Lebleu
Mike Schinkel wrote: This is a naïve question: Doesn't the ISO 4217 code *imply* a symbol? It appears so here: http://www.xe.com/symbols.htm Doesn't including this in the microformat create redundancy? Alternately, can't the symbols be extracted as not being alphanumeric characters? I tend

Re: [uf-discuss] Currency Quickpoll: Preliminary results

2006-10-12 Thread Guillaume Lebleu
Mike Schinkel wrote: * Currency symbol identification "from other part of the text" This means that in "$25 dollars", we would mark up "$" as the currency symbol. See http://microformats.org/wiki/currency-brainstorming#Andy_Mabbett under symbol bullet for an explanation of this. * "Global"

Re: [uf-discuss] new standard for product information

2006-10-12 Thread Guillaume Lebleu
Ted Drake wrote: I would thin this standard could be adopted quickly via microformats. What are the thoughts? I think microformats would probably help adoption with the less sophisticated (smaller) retailers quickly, but would not satisfy all the business needs of more sophisticated manufa

Re: [uf-discuss] First version of Currency proposal

2006-10-12 Thread Guillaume Lebleu
Scott Reynen wrote: 99class="currency" title="USD">¢ My bad. I had missed the title="0.99" part earlier. This will work for all currency amounts of recent times, as all currencies are now officially or de facto decimalized (UK was one of the last ones in 1971, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki

[uf-discuss] Currency Quickpoll: Preliminary results

2006-10-12 Thread Guillaume Lebleu
I thought I'd share these results with you. Voters were asked to select up to 4 features in a list of 8. We only had a handful of votes so far, so please cast yours at: http://www.vizu.com/poll-vote.html?n=15067 Features deemed most important: 1. (100%) Currency used identification (ex. US

Re: [uf-discuss] First version of Currency proposal

2006-10-11 Thread Guillaume Lebleu
Scott Reynen wrote: So which of these tasks should we aim to make simple? I'd say the latter, because it's far more common (well over 80%, I think). I think we agree here. $99 is more common than 99c, so the former should be simpler to microformat than the latter. Where it seems we differ in o

[uf-discuss] Currency microformat most important features quickpoll

2006-10-11 Thread Guillaume Lebleu
Hello, I thought that to expand feedback on the Currency proposal, a simple poll would be nice, so here it is: http://www.vizu.com/poll-vote.html?n=15067 Note: choices are randomly ordered. Looking forward to your participation. Guillaume ___ micr

Re: [uf-discuss] First version of Currency proposal

2006-10-11 Thread Guillaume Lebleu
Andy Mabbett wrote: How does this relate to the proposal in: http://microformats.org/wiki/currency-brainstorming#Straw_man_proposal Hello Andy, I added an acknowledgment section that links to your strawman proposal. To answer your question about how it relates to your strawman proposal, I

Re: [uf-discuss] First version of Currency proposal

2006-10-11 Thread Guillaume Lebleu
Scott Reynen wrote: What I'm suggesting is that everything be treated as dollars in USD and everything be treated as Yen in JPY. Isn't that how most applications and people deal with money anyway? I think this will indeed work in most cases. There are some examples on the Web that make use

Re: [uf-discuss] First version of Currency proposal

2006-10-11 Thread Guillaume Lebleu
Scott Reynen wrote: Specifically, I don't think it makes sense to have the first tag with no title, and the second with no content. It looks like you're trying to communicate three different pieces of information when only two are really being published. Thank you for the feedback. Let me

Re: [uf-discuss] First version of Currency proposal

2006-10-11 Thread Guillaume Lebleu
King Chung Huang wrote: Is "currency unit" intended to be one whole name or two names? My intention is to have 2 class names, one for the currency (ex. U.S. currency), and one for the unit within that currency (ex. Dollar, Cent). "unit" is optional, b/c most currencies have a default unit

[uf-discuss] First version of Currency proposal

2006-10-10 Thread Guillaume Lebleu
Please find it at: http://microformats.org/wiki/currency-proposal Thank you in advance for your feedback. Guillaume ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-disc

Re: [uf-discuss] Handling hCalendar event updates on clients

2006-10-06 Thread Guillaume Lebleu
Ryan King wrote: I suppose that you mean on a document at http://microformats.org/wiki/hcalendar-examples , we'd see: ... ? Yes, this is what I meant. If so, then, yes we could potentially use that. However, it would be nice to be able to declare that the same event or contact info is th

Re: [uf-discuss] Handling hCalendar event updates on clients

2006-10-06 Thread Guillaume Lebleu
Ryan King wrote: I think it's good practice, not just for hCalendar, but for all web content to create permalinks which are independent of things like pagination. If you can do that, then pagination shouldn't be a problem. Maybe I'm missing something, but instead of a new UID element with a nam

Re: [uf-discuss] Re: Currency + Unit of measurement (Was: Currency+Product)

2006-10-03 Thread Guillaume Lebleu
Colin wrote: This proposal is shaping up nicely. Could you think of other "client" uses for just the measurement format? Already described in this thread were some excellent uses for measurement + currency (e.g. searching job listings). Thanks Colin. For just the measurement format, of course a

Re: [uf-discuss] Re: Currency + Unit of measurement (Was: Currency+Product)

2006-10-03 Thread Guillaume Lebleu
Colin wrote: This proposal is shaping up nicely. Could you think of other "client" uses for just the measurement format? Already described in this thread were some excellent uses for measurement + currency (e.g. searching job listings). Thanks Colin. For just the measurement format, of cours

Re: [uf-discuss] Re: Currency + Unit of measurement (Was: Currency+Product)

2006-10-03 Thread Guillaume Lebleu
Scott Reynen wrote: I think this is a good example of the benefits of modularization. I think all of these various measurements would be more useful if they were more widely published, and I think the best way to get them widely published is to keep them as separate microformats addressing sp

Re: [uf-discuss] Re: Currency + Unit of measurement (Was: Currency+Product)

2006-10-03 Thread Guillaume Lebleu
Here are some additional examples from the Web of currency mixed with measures, some of which differ from the "$__ per barrel" pattern and a suggested new conceptualization that seems to work with them. http://microformats.org/wiki/currency-examples#Real-World_Examples Here is another suggest

[uf-discuss] measure page

2006-10-02 Thread Guillaume Lebleu
I have started a measure page at http://microformats.org/wiki/measure mainly to start tracking examples and existing formats for describing measures. http://microformats.org/wiki/measure Guillaume ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-di

Re: [uf-discuss] Re: Currency + Unit of measurement (Was: Currency+Product)

2006-10-02 Thread Guillaume Lebleu
he very least, we'd better make sure that the currency microformat will be viewed as a subset and component of the measurement unit microformat. Peace, Guillaume Scott Reynen wrote: On Sep 29, 2006, at 5:09 PM, Guillaume Lebleu wrote: I don't think Lorenzo is talking o

[uf-discuss] existing currency formats: XBRL

2006-10-02 Thread Guillaume Lebleu
I took a look at the semantics used by XBRL for currency amounts (a standard for corporate financial reporting pushed among others by the SEC). I have made an adaptation of them in semantic XHTML: http://microformats.org/wiki/currency-formats#XBRL (without incorporating existing thoughts on cu

Re: [uf-discuss] Marking Up Personal Profiles

2006-10-02 Thread Guillaume Lebleu
I have had a really hard time finding currency examples on the Web using something else/more than the "price" class name to qualify currency amounts (I wish there was a search engine for HTML source code). Actually, I haven't found any (only one is documented on the http://microformats.org/wiki

Re: [uf-discuss] Re: Currency + Unit of measurement (Was: Currency+Product)

2006-10-01 Thread Guillaume Lebleu
ok most of the time, using other clues to disambiguate, for instance the domain name ".ca" to disambiguate the "$" sign. Once we found more real examples, we can resume discussions here on this subject. Let me know what you think. Guillaume Scott Reynen wrote:

Re: [uf-discuss] Re: Currency + Unit of measurement (Was: Currency+Product)

2006-09-29 Thread Guillaume Lebleu
One little correction in the text below. The following rules should be used: * "unit" is optional * if "unit" is present, then "value" is optional, and if "value" not present, then it is assumed to be 1. Guillaume Guillaume Lebleu wrote: I don&

[uf-discuss] Re: Currency + Unit of measurement (Was: Currency+Product)

2006-09-29 Thread Guillaume Lebleu
I don't think Lorenzo is talking of: *currency amount per item/product* as your title and example imply (that, I agree, is a non-starter) but of *currency amount per unit of measurement* (which is widely used - see for instance: http://www.bloomberg.com/energy/, although not in the context of

Re: [uf-discuss] Dated currency examples?

2006-09-28 Thread Guillaume Lebleu
/27/06, Scott Reynen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Sep 27, 2006, at 2:21 PM, Guillaume Lebleu wrote: > class="unitcurrency" title="USD">$25 a class="unit" title="barrel>barrel. As suggested in the currency "Related microformats" sectio

Re: [uf-discuss] Dated currency examples?

2006-09-27 Thread Guillaume Lebleu
A correction to one of my code samples: class="unitcurrency" title="USD">$25 a title="barrel>barrel. Guillaume Guillaume Lebleu wrote: Sorry if I'm only getting up-to-speed on this debate. I agree that attaching explicitly date/time information directl

Re: [uf-discuss] Dated currency examples?

2006-09-27 Thread Guillaume Lebleu
Sorry if I'm only getting up-to-speed on this debate. I agree that attaching explicitly date/time information directly to a currency value is relatively rare, and when necessary that it is usually inferred from the context. For instance, we talk of the date of the price of a barrel of oil, in

Re: [uf-discuss] Introductory message, again

2006-09-26 Thread Guillaume Lebleu
Andy, My take on the introductory message: http://microformats.org/wiki/what-are-microformats#Guillaume_Lebleu Guillaume Andy Mabbett wrote: I have just had an e-mail from a friend, to whom I'd recommended uFs: Just had a quick look at http://microformats.org but they only s

[uf-discuss] question about currency amounts in tables

2006-09-22 Thread Guillaume Lebleu
Should the currency amount mF proposal include support for representation of currency-qualified values in a table format? If so, take a look at: http://investor.google.com/fin_data.html As you can see, it would not make sense to have the currency repeated for each piece of data. Instead, it sh

[uf-discuss] currency_formats page

2006-09-22 Thread Guillaume Lebleu
Per Tantek suggestion, I moved some of the content in my recent posts related to existing practices/standards for currency representation in http://microformats.org/wiki/currency_formats Guillaume ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-dis

Re: [uf-discuss] 'currency' microformat straw-man proposal.

2006-09-21 Thread Guillaume Lebleu
nd optionally a currency (optional b/c if we imagine a table of 1000s or rows containing currency amounts, we may not want to have the currency symbol/code next to each entry, but only in the ). 100title="Euro">€. Guillaume Andy Mabbett wrote: In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,

Re: [uf-discuss] 'currency' microformat straw-man proposal.

2006-09-21 Thread Guillaume Lebleu
Looks like there are many others: There are various common abbreviations to distinguish the Canadian dollar from others: while the ISO currency code *CAD* (a three-character c

Re: [uf-discuss] 'currency' microformat straw-man proposal.

2006-09-20 Thread Guillaume Lebleu
IFX, a retail banking standard, uses Currency Code ("CurCode") instead of "type" following the ISO4217 3-letter currency code, and Currency Amount ("CurAmt") instead of money or currency. So it would be: USD 5.00 Guillaume Andy Mabbett wrote: In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Scott Reynen <

Re: [uf-discuss] Financial data, statements etc - any previous discussion?

2006-09-20 Thread Guillaume Lebleu
There is XBLR for detailed corporate financial statements, OFX for personal banking, IFX for retail banking (I'm a member), FIXML for securities. Although most of the current implementations are XML-based, IFX insists its model is not tied to XML and could be applied to other formats (such as

Re: [uf-discuss] origin of class attribute approach in microformats ?

2006-07-23 Thread Guillaume Lebleu
Thank you Karl for this short, proselytism-free answer. Guillaume Karl Dubost wrote: Guillaume, Le 22 juil. 06 à 08:35, Guillaume Lebleu a écrit : why the approach has evolved to become the following "class attribute-approach": [...] instead of the following mixed-namespac

[uf-discuss] origin of class attribute approach in microformats ?

2006-07-21 Thread Guillaume Lebleu
Hello, I'm new to this list. Since I have heard about microformats last year, I have always wanted to understand why the approach has evolved to become the following "class attribute-approach": Orange Chicken Corn instead of the foll