Re: Re: [Mimedefang] Black Listed

2004-04-07 Thread WBrown
> > Nor to me. I prefer running my own mailserver so I can filter spam > and viruses. Something Time Warner does not seem to have the capacity for. I wish I could run my own mail server. I did, but I went away for vacation, and when I came back, I didn't have much mail waiting for me. They

Re: [Mimedefang] Black Listed

2004-04-07 Thread Daniel Taylor
Andrea Venturoli wrote: ** Reply to note from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue, 6 Apr 2004 15:10:33 -0400 My ISP here (Bigpond) is about to implement blocking port 25 for all their dynamic IP customers. Good! That's ok with me, as soon as their smtp server, which I'm then forced to use is not bla

Re: [Mimedefang] Black Listed

2004-04-07 Thread Peter A. Cole
On Tue, 06 Apr 2004 13:15:09 + Rob MacGregor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > However, just because a host is listed to RECEIVE email doesn't mean it'll > be used to SEND email. Heck, take a look at any of the ISPs I've used, or > even my domain host. They have different hosts for incoming

Re: Re: Re: [Mimedefang] Black Listed

2004-04-06 Thread Andrea Venturoli
** Reply to note from "Paul" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Tue, 6 Apr 2004 17:37:41 -0400 >>We were talking about outgoing traffic, not incoming; you can use a smart host. >I use a smarthost for a part of the outgoing traffic, I have to as amongst >others AOL and TW no longer accept mail from what they c

Re: Re: Re: [Mimedefang] Black Listed

2004-04-06 Thread Paul
>We were talking about outgoing traffic, not incoming; you can use a smart host. I use a smarthost for a part of the outgoing traffic, I have to as amongst others AOL and TW no longer accept mail from what they consider 'dialups'. But its that smarthost that got blacklisted in an RBL. Causing

Re: Re: [Mimedefang] Black Listed

2004-04-06 Thread Andrea Venturoli
** Reply to note from "Paul" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Tue, 6 Apr 2004 16:30:40 -0400 > Nor to me. I prefer running my own mailserver so I can filter spam and > viruses. Something Time Warner does not seem to have the capacity for. We were talking about outgoing traffic, not incoming; you can use a s

Re: [Mimedefang] Black Listed

2004-04-06 Thread Andrea Venturoli
** Reply to note from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue, 6 Apr 2004 15:10:33 -0400 > > > My ISP here (Bigpond) is about to implement blocking port 25 for all > their > > > dynamic IP customers. > > > > Good! That's ok with me, as soon as their smtp server, which I'm > > then forced to use is not bla

Re: Re: [Mimedefang] Black Listed

2004-04-06 Thread Paul
>This would not be acceptable to me at home on my cable modem. I only use >my cable modem ISP for transport only. My mail accounts require >authentication before I can relay off them. If I relay through an >Adelphia server, but have a StumpyDogs.org or RVClub.net address on the >email, that

Re: [Mimedefang] Black Listed

2004-04-06 Thread WBrown
> > My ISP here (Bigpond) is about to implement blocking port 25 for all their > > dynamic IP customers. > > Good! That's ok with me, as soon as their smtp server, which I'm > then forced to use is not blacklisted! This would not be acceptable to me at home on my cable modem. I only use my c

Re: [Mimedefang] Black Listed

2004-04-06 Thread Andrea Venturoli
** Reply to note from "Peter A. Cole" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Tue, 6 Apr 2004 21:51:34 +1000 > It's getting harder and harder to stop spam without inconveniencing innocent > bystanders. Ok, I understand this, but I really think the problems with rbls are by far outweighting the benefits they int

RE: [Mimedefang] Black Listed

2004-04-06 Thread Andrea Venturoli
** Reply to note from Ken Morley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Tue, 6 Apr 2004 08:53:51 -0400 > One of AmeriTech's customer sent a bunch of spam. > A recipient submitted the spam to an RBL. > The RBL examined the IP address of the spammer and determined that the IP > block is assigned to AmeriTech.

Re: [Mimedefang] Black Listed

2004-04-06 Thread G. Roderick Singleton
On Mon, 2004-04-05 at 22:02, Mark Defang wrote: > This may be off topic, but I don't know who else to turn to. > > I have been a MIMEDefang user for a couple of years now. I absolutely > love it!! I myself do not use Internet black list subscriptions because > I have not seen the need to. Usi

Re: [Mimedefang] Black Listed

2004-04-06 Thread Ben Kamen
Peter A. Cole wrote: As for a real solution to spam? I think in principal it's quite easy. No mail server should accept mail from any mail server that is not correctly configured. ie should have correct reverse MX records, reject mails with forged headers, etc. If this was done, spamming would be

Re: [Mimedefang] Black Listed

2004-04-06 Thread Ben Kamen
Ken Morley wrote: Mark: So, call AmeriTech and tell them that they need to address the RBL/ISP's concerns about spam sent by an AmeriTech customer. Good luck with it. (sigh) Yea.. emphasis on "luck" - first - you need to find someone who understands that problem... So, ask them if they have

Re: [Mimedefang] Black Listed

2004-04-06 Thread WBrown
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 04/06/2004 09:06:35 AM: > Here is the best part of the story. I contacted the ISP and he said at > first that he had no control over who was blacklisted and I needed to > get Ameritech to resolve the problem. In the next breath, he took my > IP's and said he would m

Re: [Mimedefang] Black Listed

2004-04-06 Thread Michal Jankowski
"Rob MacGregor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I don't remember ever seeing an RFC that says that only hosts defined > with MX records may send email. Maybe you could point it out :) RFC, perhaps no. But have a look at: http://spf.pobox.com/ (Yes, I know, it unfortunately introduces some new pr

Re: [Mimedefang] Black Listed

2004-04-06 Thread Kevin A. McGrail
Mark, You are not alone and Blars Blarson is one of the reasons I despise the concept of using single Blacklists. I *do* recommend using them but ONLY score with SpamAssassin using additive formulas and even then sometimes only with minor scores. The false positives are simply too high. Howeve

Re: RE: [Mimedefang] Black Listed

2004-04-06 Thread Paul
>I've seen this happen many times before. In the Tampa area, Time Warner / >BrightHouse is very aggressive. For example, if a Verizon customer sends >spam to a TW customer and the customer complains, TW will attempt to contact >Verizon to get the issue resolved. If Verizon ignores the complain

Re: [Mimedefang] Black Listed

2004-04-06 Thread Rob MacGregor
From: "Peter A. Cole" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On Tue, 06 Apr 2004 11:17:14 -0500 (EST) Andrea Venturoli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: As for a real solution to spam? I think in principal it's quite easy. No mail server should accept mail from any mail server that is not correctly configured. ie should

Re: [Mimedefang] Black Listed

2004-04-06 Thread Mark Defang
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Happened to us to. We have a real class B netblock (not a supernetted group of class C's), and we provide internet connections to over 100 school districts. One of them had an open relay, so we got blacklisted for our entire block. I forget which list it was on, but

RE: [Mimedefang] Black Listed

2004-04-06 Thread Ken Morley
Mark: This is a little off-topic for this forum, but I'll try to help. This is a common problem that frequently happens. Here's the probable scenario: One of AmeriTech's customer sent a bunch of spam. A recipient submitted the spam to an RBL. The RBL examined the IP address of the spammer and

Re: [Mimedefang] Black Listed

2004-04-06 Thread WBrown
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 04/06/2004 12:23:34 AM: > This is the weird thing, I am not a dial up. I have a business service > with multiple IP's!! I don't know the black list but I will find out > in the morning. I'll bet that my IP's are not on your lists. I have > checked with MAPS and

Re: [Mimedefang] Black Listed

2004-04-06 Thread WBrown
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 04/05/2004 10:02:14 PM: > I have a few problems with this... First, my domain was not the one > that was blacklisted, according to the ISP. If, what he says is true, > every Ameritech customer in the midwest, maybe further, will not be able > to send email to any I

Re: [Mimedefang] Black Listed

2004-04-06 Thread Peter A. Cole
On Tue, 06 Apr 2004 11:17:14 -0500 (EST) Andrea Venturoli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ** Reply to note from Mark Defang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Mon, 05 Apr 2004 22:02:14 -0400 > > This is unfortunately quite a common problem, that me and my customers are having > too. > Just to make an example, spa

[Mimedefang] Black Listed

2004-04-06 Thread Andrea Venturoli
** Reply to note from Mark Defang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Mon, 05 Apr 2004 22:02:14 -0400 > To make a long story short, here is my problem. We have a T1 through > Ameritech with an IP block of like 16 IP's. We send email to a customer > of ours that uses another ISP. The customer's IP subscribe

Re: [Mimedefang] Black Listed

2004-04-06 Thread Doug Brott
Mark Defang wrote: This is the weird thing, I am not a dial up. I have a business service with multiple IP's!! I don't know the black list but I will find out in the morning. I'll bet that my IP's are not on your lists. I have checked with MAPS and a few others, and I don't show up. Wha

Re: [Mimedefang] Black Listed

2004-04-05 Thread Ben Kamen
Well, first thing would be to contact the customer directly and let them know you can't email them because of the problem you're having with their ISP. Then you can recommend any fine sendmail admins in your area on this list to come and install their own sendmail server complete with MimeDefang.

Re: [Mimedefang] Black Listed

2004-04-05 Thread Mark Defang
This is the weird thing, I am not a dial up. I have a business service with multiple IP's!! I don't know the black list but I will find out in the morning. I'll bet that my IP's are not on your lists. I have checked with MAPS and a few others, and I don't show up. What is a T1 subscriber

Re: [Mimedefang] Black Listed

2004-04-05 Thread Ben Kamen
What blacklist zapped you?? This is a common tactic that mail-abuse.org uses... blacklist a whole block of IP's to make the point that the ISP needs to clean house... Unfortunately, I have a LOT of spam I'm blocking from ameritech.net too via personal blacklists as well as spamhaus.org Ameri

[Mimedefang] Black Listed

2004-04-05 Thread Mark Defang
This may be off topic, but I don't know who else to turn to. I have been a MIMEDefang user for a couple of years now. I absolutely love it!! I myself do not use Internet black list subscriptions because I have not seen the need to. Using MIMEDefang, custom rules, spamassassin and bayes filte