Re: [Mimedefang] OT: Blocking Port 25

2007-01-30 Thread WBrown
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 01/29/2007 05:53:01 PM: I'm not even that sure it would help the spam problem. The majority of the spam I receive these days come via ISP mail servers or open relays. This may of course simply mean that I'm not receiving a normal pattern of spam... I don't think

Re: [Mimedefang] OT: Blocking Port 25

2007-01-30 Thread Ben Kamen
Rob MacGregor wrote: On 1/29/07, Ben Kamen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yea, I meant to control port 25 egress from nets like Cable/DSL/Dialup users... Me, personally, I'd hate it. I can deliver mail faster and more reliably (from past experience) than my ISP. When that's not an option I

Re: [Mimedefang] OT: Blocking Port 25

2007-01-30 Thread David F. Skoll
Ben Kamen wrote: Ok, so port:25 blocking still seems to be a bad idea for the mostpart because ISP's (in general) still do not have their act together. (and looking at how they spend their money probably never will.) Actually, I think blocking port 25 by default is an excellent idea

Re: [Mimedefang] OT: Blocking Port 25

2007-01-30 Thread Kenneth Porter
On Tuesday, January 30, 2007 11:39 AM -0500 David F. Skoll [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, I think blocking port 25 by default is an excellent idea providing you unblock it if people ask for that. Since the vast majority of computer users never bother to change defaults, blocking port 25

Re: [Mimedefang] OT: Blocking Port 25

2007-01-30 Thread John Rudd
Kenneth Porter wrote: On Tuesday, January 30, 2007 11:39 AM -0500 David F. Skoll [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, I think blocking port 25 by default is an excellent idea providing you unblock it if people ask for that. Since the vast majority of computer users never bother to change

Re: [Mimedefang] OT: Blocking Port 25

2007-01-30 Thread Ben Kamen
John Rudd wrote: For defaults, don't forget IMAP, outbound ssh, outbound passive ftp, and the other simple ones. But, yeah... agree in principle. Block all but the REALLY common/basics, provide a web interface (accessible only from client networks, not from the outside world) for

Re: [Mimedefang] OT: Blocking Port 25

2007-01-30 Thread Jan-Pieter Cornet
On Tue, Jan 30, 2007 at 09:47:26AM -0800, Kenneth Porter wrote: Actually, I think blocking port 25 by default is an excellent idea providing you unblock it if people ask for that. Since the vast majority of computer users never bother to change defaults, blocking port 25 by default will

Re: [Mimedefang] OT: Blocking Port 25

2007-01-29 Thread David F. Skoll
Ben Kamen wrote: What's people's take on just blocking port:25 altogether at this point? We have 587 for submission and that's what I use exclusively for me. On the one hand: YES! Great idea! On the other hand: NO! Terrible idea! For *most* people, it's a great idea. I think ISPs should

Re: [Mimedefang] OT: Blocking Port 25 (was: On pinheaded ISP's)

2007-01-29 Thread Kevin A. McGrail
What's people's take on just blocking port:25 altogether at this point? Err, How would my server deliver normal, legitimate email to your servers addressed to you, etc. regards, KAM ___ NOTE: If there is a disclaimer or other legal boilerplate

Re: [Mimedefang] OT: Blocking Port 25

2007-01-29 Thread Kevin A. McGrail
Err, How would my server deliver normal, legitimate email to your servers addressed to you, etc. I suspect Ben meant: What's the consensus on blocking outbound port 25 for home users? (DSL/Cable-Modem/Dialup) I guess so, but if he is accepting mail on 587, I'm assuming he is then trying to

Re: [Mimedefang] OT: Blocking Port 25

2007-01-29 Thread Matthew Schumacher
Ben Kamen wrote: David F. Skoll wrote: I suspect Ben meant: What's the consensus on blocking outbound port 25 for home users? (DSL/Cable-Modem/Dialup) Yea, I meant to control port 25 egress from nets like Cable/DSL/Dialup users... We have 2 rules in our pppoe servers, one that allows

Re: [Mimedefang] OT: Blocking Port 25

2007-01-29 Thread Ashley M. Kirchner
Ben Kamen wrote: The ISP which my mail servers is on tests my server all the time for open-ness. It's fun to watch the tests fail. (or pass depending on how you look at it. ;) ) Reminds me of when I had Footguy (http://www.waste.org/footguy/) running on port 25 of my firewall and I received

Re: [Mimedefang] OT: Blocking Port 25

2007-01-29 Thread Philip Prindeville
Ben Kamen wrote: Yea, I meant to control port 25 egress from nets like Cable/DSL/Dialup users... And Dave's right on both his items good and bad. :D The ISP which my mail servers is on tests my server all the time for open-ness. It's fun to watch the tests fail. (or pass depending on how you