SSHowDowN

2016-10-18 Thread Peter Janos
shouldn't the default be "no" for the AllowTcpForwarding? Why is an insecure option "yes" by default? https://www.akamai.com/us/en/multimedia/documents/state-of-the-internet/sshowdown-exploitation-of-iot-devices-for-launching-mass-scale-attack-campaigns.pdf Thanks.

Re: SSHowDowN

2016-10-18 Thread Solène Rapenne
Le 2016-10-18 10:35, Peter Janos a écrit : shouldn't the default be "no" for the AllowTcpForwarding? Why is an insecure option "yes" by default? https://www.akamai.com/us/en/multimedia/documents/state-of-the-internet/sshowdown-exploitation-of-iot-devices-for-launching-mass-scale-attack-campaigns.

Re: SSHowDowN

2016-10-18 Thread Christian Gruhl
On 10/18/2016 10:41 AM, Solène Rapenne wrote: > Le 2016-10-18 10:35, Peter Janos a écrit : >> shouldn't the default be "no" for the AllowTcpForwarding? Why is an >> insecure option "yes" by default? >> https://www.akamai.com/us/en/multimedia/documents/state-of-the-internet/sshow down-exploitation

Re: SSHowDowN

2016-10-18 Thread Peter Janos
sometimes I send mails in HTML format, sorry for that, mail.com has this by default.. so the PDF also states that the "admin" user had /sbin/nologin for shell -- http://man.openbsd.org/OpenBSD-current/man5/sshd_config.5 AllowTcpForwarding Specifies whether TCP forwarding is p

Re: SSHowDowN

2016-10-18 Thread Christian Gruhl
On 10/18/2016 10:56 AM, Peter Janos wrote: > sometimes I send mails in HTML format, sorry for that, mail.com has this by > default.. > > so the PDF also states that the "admin" user had /sbin/nologin for shell > > -- > http://man.openbsd.org/OpenBSD-current/man5/sshd_config.5 ...

Re: SSHowDowN

2016-10-18 Thread Peter Janos
having the username for password is yes, almost the biggest retarded idiotism in 2016, but disabling AllowTcpForwarding by default could help a little and a little in this case is big. I hope this admin user doesn't have permission to change shell, etc.. And in this general case (iot) , they have

Re: USB mouse not working

2016-10-18 Thread Bojan Nastic
Have you tried disabling USB3 in the BIOS? Forcing USB2.0 helped with similar problems on my Thinkpad. > On 18 Oct 2016, at 07:18, Daniel Cavanagh wrote: > > Hiya > > I'm having trouble getting my USB mouse to work in the latest snapshots. > Unless my memory is faulty, this mouse used to work on

Re: How assign some logic to handle system-gone-totally-unresponsive events (if not else then to enable admin with differentiated failure tracking between userland and hardware failures)

2016-10-18 Thread Tinker
Thanks for your remarks Anton (below). What Anton said leads to an interesting question, which is, what characteristics does a program have to have to be sink-proof? This is interesting to know for the design of a "supervisory program" whose only function is to check that another program is

Re: How assign some logic to handle system-gone-totally-unresponsive events (if not else then to enable admin with differentiated failure tracking between userland and hardware failures)

2016-10-18 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2016-10-17, Karel Gardas wrote: > 1) use machine with proper ECC support > 2) man sendbug -- and following it report your OpenBSD kernel misbehavior This can be a hard thing to report. When the machine totally locks up, it is very difficult to get the information needed to make a bug report,

Re: How assign some logic to handle system-gone-totally-unresponsive events (if not else then to enable admin with differentiated failure tracking between userland and hardware failures)

2016-10-18 Thread Alex French
> This is an ARM SBC, it has no BMC and AFAIK no watchdog or other timer > that can be programmed to cause a reboot, if you are aware of anything > like that on ARM SBC:s let me know? Watchdog timers are a somewhat common feature for SoCs designed for embedded use. Look up the reference manual for

Re: SSHowDowN

2016-10-18 Thread Theo de Raadt
> shouldn't the default be "no" for the AllowTcpForwarding? Why is an > insecure option "yes" by default? > https://www.akamai.com/us/en/multimedia/documents/state-of-the-internet/sshowdown-exploitation-of-iot-devices-for-launching-mass-scale-attack-campaigns.pdf > Thanks. > this comes up post-au

Re: SSHowDowN

2016-10-18 Thread Christian Weisgerber
On 2016-10-18, "Peter Janos" wrote: > so having AllowTcpForwarding=NO would help. > > Why is it yes by default? someone requested it to be yes? does anybody know? It has always been like this. OpenSSH inherited it from Ylønen-SSH. In the beginning, OpenSSH didn't even have a configuration opti

Re: SSHowDowN

2016-10-18 Thread Peter Janos
wow, thanks for the reply! "At the time I was running an AnonCVS server and I had realized that the anonymously connecting clients could use port forwarding to bounce TCP connections off the server." was this fixed meanwhile?   Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 at 5:01 PM From: "Christian Weisg

Super slow read/write/boot flash with acpidump error also

2016-10-18 Thread Chris Bennett
I bought this 128GB flash about two months ago. I installed i386 -current on it, but had horribly slow everything. The i386 machine was very old, so I wrote it off ass maybe the machine. Here I have a "newer" amd64. So I installed a much newer version of amd64 -current. Same issues. I also get a m

Would you use OpenBSD on Power8, and if so what applications? (IBM asks! They're thinking about donating hw.)

2016-10-18 Thread Mikael
Hi everyone, I asked IBM to donate 4-10 Power8 servers to the OpenBSD Foundation, for adding support for this arch. After 6 months this got all the way to their Director of the Power(8) Ecosystem & Alliances, that is the highest executive for the whole arch. Just right now, she's asking for a moti

Re: Would you use OpenBSD on Power8, and if so what applications? (IBM asks! They're thinking about donating hw.)

2016-10-18 Thread Kapetanakis Giannis
On 18/10/16 19:35, Mikael wrote: Hi everyone, I asked IBM to donate 4-10 Power8 servers to the OpenBSD Foundation, for adding support for this arch. After 6 months this got all the way to their Director of the Power(8) Ecosystem & Alliances, that is the highest executive for the whole arch. Just

Re: Would you use OpenBSD on Power8, and if so what applications? (IBM asks! They're thinking about donating hw.)

2016-10-18 Thread Mikael
2016-10-19 0:48 GMT+08:00 Kapetanakis Giannis : > > pf, relayd, bgpd ;) > > G > > ps. after the unlocking > Giannis, this is too little info to be useful. Please describe the practical and technical utility and value, the organization/social context, scope, duration, anything that is relevant to

Re: Would you use OpenBSD on Power8, and if so what applications? (IBM asks! They're thinking about donating hw.)

2016-10-18 Thread g.pediaditis1983
Well personally I don't think the matter concern me since I don't handle any server. But I would love to use power8 PC as a desktop or laptop with OpenBSD. (If that becomes a possibility in the future) The main reason is security. I don't trust Intel close source firmware etc On Oct 18, 2016 7:3

Re: Would you use OpenBSD on Power8, and if so what applications? (IBM asks! They're thinking about donating hw.)

2016-10-18 Thread Theo de Raadt
misc never fails to deliver > Well personally I don't think the matter concern me since I don't handle any > server. > But I would love to use power8 PC as a desktop or laptop with OpenBSD. (If > that becomes a possibility in the future) > The main reason is security. I don't trust Intel close

WiFi is very slow or does not work

2016-10-18 Thread François RONVAUX
Hello, I post here following the advice of jggimi, from http://daemonforums.org. I bought a small PC Engines APU2C4 [1][2] with the wle200nx wireless module [3][4]. I installed OpenBSD 6.0 without any problems but I have an issue with the wireless module : the "link" is very slow when I successf

Re: Would you use OpenBSD on Power8, and if so what applications? (IBM asks! They're thinking about donating hw.)

2016-10-18 Thread Chris Bennett
On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 12:35:13AM +0800, Mikael wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I asked IBM to donate 4-10 Power8 servers to the OpenBSD Foundation, for > adding support for this arch. After 6 months this got all the way to their > Director of the Power(8) Ecosystem & Alliances, that is the highest > e

Re: Would you use OpenBSD on Power8, and if so what applications? (IBM asks! They're thinking about donating hw.)

2016-10-18 Thread Jack J. Woehr
Mikael wrote: Please describe the practical and technical utility and value, the organization/social context, scope, duration, anything that is relevant to motivate them. Mikael, thanks for urging IBM to support OpenBSD. I've been urging them to do so for about 15 years, good luck! OpenBSD p

Re: Would you use OpenBSD on Power8, and if so what applications? (IBM asks! They're thinking about donating hw.)

2016-10-18 Thread Jack J. Woehr
Chris Bennett wrote: Does anyone need a Power8? Chris, this is the hottest high-end server in the IBM universe today. It runs Linux, AIX and IBM i (OS/400). They are very widely in use deep under many organizations. IBM is currently energetically supporting Open Source development (as their

Re: How assign some logic to handle system-gone-totally-unresponsive events (if not else then to enable admin with differentiated failure tracking between userland and hardware failures)

2016-10-18 Thread gwes
On 10/17/2016 22:47, Tinker wrote: [...] If you have any thought about how make that happen feel free to share. Anyhow in the absence of any such logic, just doing a hardware reset is fine, it's just a bit constrained as it comes without automated reporting&recording that could be used to dist

Re: Would you use OpenBSD on Power8, and if so what applications? (IBM asks! They're thinking about donating hw.)

2016-10-18 Thread Jack J. Woehr
Chris Bennett wrote: Asking about what apps someone would run is a legitimate question. Mikael, most Linux apps port to most OpenBSD flavors. Probably much of the OpenBSD ports tree could easily be converted to a prospective little-endian Power8 OpenBSD. The very popular (in the IBM i world)

Re: Would you use OpenBSD on Power8, and if so what applications? (IBM asks! They're thinking about donating hw.)

2016-10-18 Thread Matthew Weigel
On 2016-10-18 12:43, Jack J. Woehr wrote: Routing, firewalling, DMZing, net address translation, OpenSSL, LibreSSL. :-) -- Matthew Weigel hacker unique & idempot . ent

Re: Would you use OpenBSD on Power8, and if so what applications? (IBM asks! They're thinking about donating hw.)

2016-10-18 Thread Jack J. Woehr
Matthew Weigel wrote: On 2016-10-18 12:43, Jack J. Woehr wrote: Routing, firewalling, DMZing, net address translation, OpenSSL, LibreSSL. :-) My apologies, I sit corrected. -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way o

Re: Would you use OpenBSD on Power8, and if so what applications? (IBM asks! They're thinking about donating hw.)

2016-10-18 Thread Chris Bennett
On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 11:48:04AM -0600, Jack J. Woehr wrote: > Chris Bennett wrote: > >Does anyone need a Power8? > > Chris, this is the hottest high-end server in the IBM universe today. > > It runs Linux, AIX and IBM i (OS/400). They are very widely in use deep under > many organizations. >

Re: Failure to get unbound to talk to nsd on the same server (Solved)

2016-10-18 Thread Johan Mellberg
Hi all, thanks for all the suggestions. However it turned out that all I needed to do was to add domain-insecure: "my.domain" to unbound.conf so that unbound would ignore the lack of DNSSEC of my internal domain. I have not paid much attention to DNSSEC until now, but it seems I may need to.

Intel/amd64 hardware donation.

2016-10-18 Thread noah pugsley
Today I found some hardware I forgot to rma a few months ago. I'd be happy to donate it to the project if anyone can use it. Nothing special. 2 x Intel Xeon X5570 Quad-Core Nehalem EP Processor 2.93GHz 6.4GT/s 8MB LGA 1366 CPU, OEM. New in package. 4 x Super Talent DDR3-1333 8GB/512Mx8 ECC/REG C

Re: How assign some logic to handle system-gone-totally-unresponsive events (if not else then to enable admin with differentiated failure tracking between userland and hardware failures)

2016-10-18 Thread Karel Gardas
Hello Anton, On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 11:25 PM, wrote: > Mon, 17 Oct 2016 18:00:39 +0200 Karel Gardas >> 1) use machine with proper ECC support > > Hello Karel, > > Please explain this "proper ECC support" for every laptop user out there? > I am not sure my system implements "proper ECC support"

Because Theo de Raadt said that the buttons are for idiots?

2016-10-18 Thread SOUL_OF_ROOT 55
Because Theo de Raadt said that the buttons are for idiots? http://cvsweb.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/usr.bin/mg/Attic/theo.c?rev=1.125 Peoples that participate in IRC of openbsd-br suggested for me ask this here in openbsd misc and for the Theo de Raadt.

Re: Would you use OpenBSD on Power8, and if so what applications? (IBM asks! They're thinking about donating hw.)

2016-10-18 Thread Ralph Siegler
On Tue, 18 Oct 2016 11:48:04 -0600, Jack J. Woehr wrote: > Chris Bennett wrote: >> Does anyone need a Power8? > > Chris, this is the hottest high-end server in the IBM universe today. > The Power8 *needs* OpenBSD because they don't have a really good > firewalling regimen at that level. > Ya k

Re: USB mouse not working

2016-10-18 Thread Daniel Cavanagh
I've tried that and it doesn't help at all unfortunately. Although I wouldn't have considered it a great solution since I actually want to use USB 3 in Windows! And it would be a massive pain to toggle it every time I switched between OSes Thanks anyway for the suggestion On Tue, 18 Oct 2016 at 2

Re: Would you use OpenBSD on Power8, and if so what applications? (IBM asks! They're thinking about donating hw.)

2016-10-18 Thread Chris Bennett
On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 10:51:56PM +, Ralph Siegler wrote: > On Tue, 18 Oct 2016 11:48:04 -0600, Jack J. Woehr wrote: > > > Chris Bennett wrote: > >> Does anyone need a Power8? > > > > Chris, this is the hottest high-end server in the IBM universe today. > > > The Power8 *needs* OpenBSD beca

Re: Would you use OpenBSD on Power8, and if so what applications? (IBM asks! They're thinking about donating hw.)

2016-10-18 Thread .
Perhaps if OpenBSD were regularly used on more powerful machines, it would acquire abilities beyond what a 486 is capable of? And I hear it's got a hypervisor now. Matthew

Re: Would you use OpenBSD on Power8, and if so what applications? (IBM asks! They're thinking about donating hw.)

2016-10-18 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
> On Oct 18, 2016, at 10:48 AM, Jack J. Woehr wrote: > > The Power8 *needs* OpenBSD because they don't have a really good firewalling regimen at that level. I suspect anyone running Power8 gear is doing so behind dedicated firewall hardware, e.g. Juniper SRX. --lyndon

Re: Would you use OpenBSD on Power8, and if so what applications? (IBM asks! They're thinking about donating hw.)

2016-10-18 Thread Ralph Siegler
On Tue, 18 Oct 2016 18:28:58 -0500, Chris Bennett wrote: > On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 10:51:56PM +, Ralph Siegler wrote: >> On Tue, 18 Oct 2016 11:48:04 -0600, Jack J. Woehr wrote: >> >> > Chris Bennett wrote: >> >> Does anyone need a Power8? >> > >> > Chris, this is the hottest high-end server

Re: Would you use OpenBSD on Power8, and if so what applications? (IBM asks! They're thinking about donating hw.)

2016-10-18 Thread Chris Bennett
On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 02:06:51AM +, Ralph Siegler wrote: > > Linux on Power8 provides a way to run certain closed source softwares > that are certified to run on Linux on PowerPC. Of course, those > softwares generally run even faster on AIX with less "loose ends" and > bugs because the

Happy Birthday

2016-10-18 Thread STeve Andre'
Happy Birthday to OpenBSD. Hey, it's 21. It can drink in Michigan now!

Re: Would you use OpenBSD on Power8, and if so what applications? (IBM asks! They're thinking about donating hw.)

2016-10-18 Thread Mikael
2016-10-19 6:51 GMT+08:00 Ralph Siegler : .. > no one is going to buy box from product line that starts at $11,000 (non- > Power8 machine offers start at USD 2,850: http://www.tyan.com/campaign/openpower/index.html And their standard prices are USD 5,530 and up, that is http://www.tyan.com/Bare

Re: Would you use OpenBSD on Power8, and if so what applications? (IBM asks! They're thinking about donating hw.)

2016-10-18 Thread Ralph Siegler
On Tue, 18 Oct 2016 21:42:13 -0500, Chris Bennett wrote: > On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 02:06:51AM +, Ralph Siegler wrote: >> >> Linux on Power8 provides a way to run certain closed source softwares >> that are certified to run on Linux on PowerPC. Of course, those >> softwares generally run eve

Re: Would you use OpenBSD on Power8, and if so what applications? (IBM asks! They're thinking about donating hw.)

2016-10-18 Thread Ralph Siegler
On Wed, 19 Oct 2016 12:29:21 +0800, Mikael wrote: > 2016-10-19 6:51 GMT+08:00 Ralph Siegler : > .. > >> no one is going to buy box from product line that starts at $11,000 >> (non- >> >> > Power8 machine offers start at USD 2,850: > http://www.tyan.com/campaign/openpower/index.html > > And thei

Re: Would you use OpenBSD on Power8, and if so what applications? (IBM asks! They're thinking about donating hw.)

2016-10-18 Thread Mikael
2016-10-19 12:59 GMT+08:00 Ralph Siegler : .. > too expensive to have for development, too expensive to run, to > expensive for a userbase while businesses waited for a mature version, no > compelling use case in the open source world that couldn't be done with > Xeon drawing half to a third the

Re: Would you use OpenBSD on Power8, and if so what applications? (IBM asks! They're thinking about donating hw.)

2016-10-18 Thread Karel Gardas
On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 7:23 AM, Mikael wrote: > > Oracle have been talking about making a low-end server model of their new > Sparc64 chip, I guess that one will sell at around 5000 USD too. I guess you talk about so called Sonoma/scale-out SPARCs, well those were already unveiled and the prices

Re: Would you use OpenBSD on Power8, and if so what applications? (IBM asks! They're thinking about donating hw.)

2016-10-18 Thread Joseph Pumphrey
IBM is a storied company with a history of innovation and progress. They have contributed to computing as a discipline in various ways. And if you want to know what one totally unqualified OpenBSD user thinks, the best way they could contribute to OpenBSD is funding. 10,000 USD is an IBM i series

Re: How to both redirect to console and screen

2016-10-18 Thread Stuart Henderson
There's no technical reason that I know of, just as far as I know, nobody has written the code. On 19 October 2016 07:42:54 Mik J wrote: Hello Everyone, Thank you for your answers and new ideas. Stuart, why is it not possible. Is it a real limitation or because openbsd is just not coded to

Re ARM64 server hw availability and low-end Sparc64

2016-10-18 Thread Mikael
Splitting this to a separate thread just not to pollute the Power8 thread. This relates to OpenBSD in the way that it's on the topic of what server hardware exists that we possibly could run it on. So bordering to off-topic. 2016-10-19 14:34 GMT+08:00 Karel Gardas : > On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 7:2