Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
1) there are no multiple consoles on the install kernel.
Ouch!
How big a deal would it be to do that?
Very, if the installer will still fit on a floppy.
Would it be difficult to provide on the CD and perhaps a tarball on FTP
a directory structure that would allow an
On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 16:28:48 -0700
"Darren Spruell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Computer users need to get smarter, instead of technology getting
dumber for them.
I could not disagree more with this statement.
Will
On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 16:28:48 -0700
"Darren Spruell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> There are resources a-plenty; anyone who finds it confusing is either
> trying to install without having read docs, or is not familiar with
> computers in the first place (and thus needs to read the docs.)
> Computer
On 9/19/07, Nick Holland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> did anyone notice that this thread was accidentally brought back
> from almost a year ago?
>
> Raimo Niskanen wrote:
> > A lot of people has praised the current OpenBSD installer.
> > I too. I think it is at the right level and does the right
On Wed, Sep 19, 2007 at 03:42:22PM +0200, Raimo Niskanen wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 19, 2007 at 07:18:05AM -0400, Nick Holland wrote:
> > Raimo Niskanen wrote:
> > > A lot of people has praised the current OpenBSD installer.
> > > I too. I think it is at the right level and does the right
> > > things, w
On Wed, Sep 19, 2007 at 07:18:05AM -0400, Nick Holland wrote:
> did anyone notice that this thread was accidentally brought back
> from almost a year ago?
>
Nope :-)
> Raimo Niskanen wrote:
> > A lot of people has praised the current OpenBSD installer.
> > I too. I think it is at the right level
did anyone notice that this thread was accidentally brought back
from almost a year ago?
Raimo Niskanen wrote:
> A lot of people has praised the current OpenBSD installer.
> I too. I think it is at the right level and does the right
> things, without unneccesary hazzle.
>
> But...
>
> There are
A lot of people has praised the current OpenBSD installer.
I too. I think it is at the right level and does the right
things, without unneccesary hazzle.
But...
There are a few things that I remember really missing when I was
a beginner, and being nice to beginners is a good thing:
1) Not every
On 2007/09/18 18:44, Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
> To my mind, even a curses interface to cfdisk and disklabel is not
> necessary, but a little more help, e.g. a mini-menu along the bottom,
> would go a long way. Of course, the best thing is to have a copy of
> Absolute OpenBSD and the FAQ open infron
On 9/18/07, Douglas A. Tutty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > You are given a brand new machine; you bring your install CD; and after
> > four minutes of using the standard tools (disklabel, fdisk, ifconfig,
> > ...) you are already very familiar with, you have a fully working box,
> > modulo afterbo
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Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
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> The only issue I've seen is that if you are new to OBSD, even if used to
> the command line in Linux (not clicky-pointy-lindows) fdisk and
> disklabel are new. On linux, the standard non-GUI partitioner is cfdisk
> (cur
On Tue, Sep 18, 2007 at 07:00:01PM +0200, Jan Stary wrote:
> > >>I hope one day soon OpenBSD will adopt a nice ncurses setup similar
> > >>to something like FreeBSD with ease to it.
>
> There is no _need_ for a "nice curses setup" - the current installer
> already "has ease to it"w, to put it mild
> >>I hope one day soon OpenBSD will adopt a nice ncurses setup similar
> >>to something like FreeBSD with ease to it.
There is no _need_ for a "nice curses setup" - the current installer
already "has ease to it"w, to put it mildly. In fact, OpenBSD's
installer is the best I have met during my yea
Geez, a thread that should have died already and I'm contributing to it.
I've used FreeBSD and OpenBSD for at least 9 years. I much prefer the
OpenBSD installer over the FreeBSD installer any day. If people read
just a tiny little bit the OpenBSD install docs they'd realize the
OpenBSD method i
On Fri, 2007-09-14 at 18:55 -0700, asdf wrote:
> --- Marco Peereboom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > I installed FreeBSD once in my life. Took me 3 tries and I am sure some
> > kittens were murdered in the process. I am also pretty sure I wept at
> > some point. Honestly I can't remember a muc
--- Marco Peereboom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I installed FreeBSD once in my life. Took me 3 tries and I am sure some
> kittens were murdered in the process. I am also pretty sure I wept at
> some point. Honestly I can't remember a much worse installer; maybe SCO
> OpenServer but not by much
On 9/14/07, Pau Amaro-Seoane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Please don't touch the installer. It's just perfect.
Ditto.
Talking to new users, the feedback I get is that they tend to screw up
partitioning, but other than that, no substantial complaints about the
install process.
Sure, it's not pret
> Anyway, a while later he comes back and says, "It's done! I couldn't
> believe how easy it was."
This mirrors my (linux-coloured) experience of trying an OpenBSD
install for the first time.
--
steev
http://www.daikaiju.org.uk/~steve/
On Fri, Sep 14, 2007 at 10:44:57AM -0600, Steven wrote:
> >
> >You no likey, you no usey!
> >
> I do hope you realize that Bob didn't post what you were replying
> too. :-)
Yes. I just replied to the list only.
>
> At this point, I'd like to chime in and say that I find the
> text-based OpenBSD
On Fri, 14 Sep 2007, Stuart Henderson wrote:
On 2007/09/14 12:55, Edwards, David (JTS) wrote:
Have you ever tried to do an install of FreeBSD/Linux using a 9600
serial console?
Oh thanks, I'd been trying to erase that from memory (-:
FreeBSD, 9600 serial, PXE boot. Took the best part of a da
One of the other sysadmins where I work has mostly used Linux, and got
used to their various hand-holding tactics. I've been gradually moving
us over to OpenBSD (and got them to purchase a CD set, and hopefully
some meager donations soon). Usually, I handle the installation and
administration, but
* Craig Skinner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070914 03:15]:
Bob Beck wrote:
I hope one day soon OpenBSD will adopt a nice ncurses setup similar to
something like FreeBSD with ease to it.
As OpenBSD grows there simply is no reason, or logic to keeping around
such an archaic method of installation it now
My $0.02...I've tried MANY different flavors of *BSD, Linux, etc. and I firmly
think that OpenBSD's installer is exactly as it should be. It works well and
doesn't need eye candy to make it work better. I can do a CD install in 20
minutes...you can't beat that. If you want more eye candy go try
On 9/14/07, Craig Skinner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> To stay informed of new features, please supply your support contract
> number on the page http://www.openbsd.org/update-me-when-stuff-is-done/
Unfortunately, 404 compliant.
--
"This officer's men seem to follow him merely out of idle curios
On 9/13/07, Jason Dixon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I don't. The OpenBSD installer is a very underrated part of the
> overall user experience. What other OS can you install in 3 minutes
> flat? Keep it simple, stupid.
Oh noes, you don't understand. See, I have a shaggy dog tale that
demonstra
On Thu, 13 Sep 2007, Marco Peereboom wrote:
> I installed FreeBSD once in my life. Took me 3 tries and I am sure some
> kittens were murdered in the process. I am also pretty sure I wept at
> some point. Honestly I can't remember a much worse installer; maybe SCO
> OpenServer but not by much.
PS: From http://wiki.freebsd.org/finstall/Amnesiac
"the "novice" track, meaning as little interaction with the user as possible"
This is what I meant...
2007/9/14, Pau Amaro-Seoane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Please don't touch the installer. It's just perfect.
>
> I have tried tons of different un
Please don't touch the installer. It's just perfect.
I have tried tons of different unix/linux OS's before I saw The Light
and, pay attention, NONE of them was as reliable/robust/quick as
OpenBSD's
And guess... FreeBSD is getting a graphical installer:
http://blogs.freebsdish.org/ivoras/2007/08/
On Fri, Sep 14, 2007 at 08:36:11AM +0100, Stuart Henderson wrote:
| On 2007/09/14 12:55, Edwards, David (JTS) wrote:
| > Have you ever tried to do an install of FreeBSD/Linux using a 9600
| > serial console?
|
| Oh thanks, I'd been trying to erase that from memory (-:
| FreeBSD, 9600 serial, PXE
Bob Beck wrote:
I hope one day soon OpenBSD will adopt a nice ncurses setup similar to
something like FreeBSD with ease to it.
As OpenBSD grows there simply is no reason, or logic to keeping around such an
archaic method of installation it now uses.
You no likey, you no usey!
Please kee
On Friday 14 September 2007 06:15, you wrote:
> Marco Peereboom wrote:
> > I installed FreeBSD once in my life. Took me 3 tries and I am sure some
> > kittens were murdered in the process. I am also pretty sure I wept at
> > some point. Honestly I can't remember a much worse installer; maybe SCO
On 2007/09/14 12:55, Edwards, David (JTS) wrote:
> Have you ever tried to do an install of FreeBSD/Linux using a 9600
> serial console?
Oh thanks, I'd been trying to erase that from memory (-:
FreeBSD, 9600 serial, PXE boot. Took the best part of a day...
On 9/14/07, Karl Sjvdahl - dunceor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 9/14/07, Bob Beck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > I hope one day soon OpenBSD will adopt a nice ncurses setup similar to
something like FreeBSD with ease to it.
for what my opinion is worth, I kinda like the OpenBSD installer the
On 9/14/07, Bob Beck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I hope one day soon OpenBSD will adopt a nice ncurses setup similar to
> > something like FreeBSD with ease to it.
>
> I don't think it's worth putting my efforts into. The current
> installer is about the easiest thing I have to deal wit
Marco Peereboom wrote:
I installed FreeBSD once in my life. Took me 3 tries and I am sure some
kittens were murdered in the process. I am also pretty sure I wept at
some point. Honestly I can't remember a much worse installer; maybe SCO
OpenServer but not by much.
I second that! If FreeBSD i
Hi,
> -Original Message-
> On Behalf Of Marco Peereboom
> Sent: Friday, 14 September 2007 12:03 PM
>
> I installed FreeBSD once in my life. Took me 3 tries and I
> am sure some
> kittens were murdered in the process. I am also pretty sure I wept at
> some point. Honestly I can't remembe
Darren Spruell wrote:
I've found times where a default layout would have been useful, but on
the other hand I've been bitten more than once by a default layout
(from the sysinstall [A]utomatic partitioner) that didn't set up a big
enough /tmp for my needs. The result was spending extra time
reins
Just to share my personal experiences with the OpenBSD Installer, I thought I
would add to this thread.
I was a Free OS's *nix newbie trying to get around. At first, I tried Beta
Stampede Linux, but it couldn't handle the hardware on my laptop. I could not
figure out how to fix it, and it took
I installed FreeBSD once in my life. Took me 3 tries and I am sure some
kittens were murdered in the process. I am also pretty sure I wept at
some point. Honestly I can't remember a much worse installer; maybe SCO
OpenServer but not by much.
On 9/13/07, Steve Shockley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Bob Beck wrote:
> >> As OpenBSD grows there simply is no reason, or logic to keeping
> >> around such an archaic method of installation it now uses.
>
> > I await your diffs! Please feel free to write one that works, and
> > fits on the instal
Bob Beck wrote:
As OpenBSD grows there simply is no reason, or logic to keeping
around such an archaic method of installation it now uses.
I await your diffs! Please feel free to write one that works, and
fits on the install media for 10 architectures.
I assume you're only encouraging this b
On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 20:35:35 -0400, Stephan Andre' wrote:
I hope one day soon OpenBSD will adopt a nice ncurses setup similar
to something like FreeBSD with ease to it.
Honestly, I don't see why. How does making the installer more
complicated is going to "help" anything.
I recently sat a frie
On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 20:35:35 -0400, Stephan Andre' wrote:
>> I hope one day soon OpenBSD will adopt a nice ncurses setup similar
>> to something like FreeBSD with ease to it.
>
>Honestly, I don't see why. How does making the installer more
>complicated is going to "help" anything.
>
>I recently s
> I hope one day soon OpenBSD will adopt a nice ncurses setup similar
> to something like FreeBSD with ease to it.
Honestly, I don't see why. How does making the installer more
complicated is going to "help" anything.
I recently sat a friend down to show how easy an install was. This
was on a 4
On Sep 13, 2007, at 6:49 PM, Bob Beck wrote:
I hope one day soon OpenBSD will adopt a nice ncurses setup
similar to something like FreeBSD with ease to it.
I don't think it's worth putting my efforts into. The current
installer is about the easiest thing I have to deal with from AIX,
On Sep 13, 2007, at 5:26 PM, Matthias Kilian wrote:
Fancy curses interfaces or
even high-resolution progress bars with dancing puffy animations
won't change this.
Speak for yourself ... my professional life would be profoundly
changed by
dancing puffy animations during the OpenBSD install .
On Thu, Sep 13, 2007 at 04:49:26PM -0600, Bob Beck wrote:
> > I hope one day soon OpenBSD will adopt a nice ncurses setup
> > similar to something like FreeBSD with ease to it.
[...]
> > As OpenBSD grows there simply is no reason, or logic to keeping
> > around such an archaic method of installatio
> I hope one day soon OpenBSD will adopt a nice ncurses setup similar to
> something like FreeBSD with ease to it.
I don't think it's worth putting my efforts into. The current
installer is about the easiest thing I have to deal with from AIX, 4
linux distributions, and FreeBSD.
> As Op
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