Re: : : web development on OpenBSD (Drupal)

2008-05-01 Thread Marc Espie
On Thu, May 01, 2008 at 07:46:06PM +1200, Richard Toohey wrote: > On 30/04/2008, at 7:36 PM, Raimo Niskanen wrote: > >> Oops my bad english. I thought drupal was a for me unknown >> common english word, not a CMS name. It was which CMS >> system you had chosen I was curious to know... > > Which bri

Re: : : web development on OpenBSD (Drupal)

2008-05-01 Thread Richard Toohey
On 30/04/2008, at 7:36 PM, Raimo Niskanen wrote: Oops my bad english. I thought drupal was a for me unknown common english word, not a CMS name. It was which CMS system you had chosen I was curious to know... Which brings us back to the OP's question on web development software on OpenBSD ...

Re: : : web development on OpenBSD

2008-04-30 Thread Marc Espie
On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 09:36:59AM +0200, Raimo Niskanen wrote: > >From which release is Drupal in ports? I can not find it > in OpenBSD 4.1. I know it is time to upgrade but my > installation runs sooo nicely now. 4.3, excellent time to update.

Re: : : web development on OpenBSD

2008-04-30 Thread Raimo Niskanen
On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 07:47:08PM +0200, Marc Espie wrote: > On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 06:10:41PM +0200, Raimo Niskanen wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 05:15:43PM +0200, Marc Espie wrote: > > > I am currently running a web site which says http://joomla.* > > > > > > Strangely enough, it's a drup

Re: web development on OpenBSD

2008-04-29 Thread Chris Tankersley
L. V. Lammert wrote: > At 01:07 PM 4/29/2008 +0200, you wrote: > >> PHP is complete crap and a disaster as a programming language. Java is >> way too cumbersome. For this kind of use-case, I would definitely use >> python and twisted+nevow+axiom. > > Coincidentally, the latest Zend newsletter jus

Re: : web development on OpenBSD

2008-04-29 Thread Marc Espie
On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 06:10:41PM +0200, Raimo Niskanen wrote: > On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 05:15:43PM +0200, Marc Espie wrote: > > I am currently running a web site which says http://joomla.* > > > > Strangely enough, it's a drupal site, with no joomla at all. > > > > (after spending a week of ha

Re: web development on OpenBSD

2008-04-29 Thread Marc Espie
On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 01:42:05AM +1000, Joel Sing wrote: > AFAIK Amazon.com is primarily developed using Mason, an excellent "Perl-based > web site development and delivery engine" - I highly recommend it: > > http://www.masonhq.com/ Yeah, historically, that's been the case. I have absolutely

Re: web development on OpenBSD

2008-04-29 Thread L. V. Lammert
At 01:07 PM 4/29/2008 +0200, you wrote: PHP is complete crap and a disaster as a programming language. Java is way too cumbersome. For this kind of use-case, I would definitely use python and twisted+nevow+axiom. Coincidentally, the latest Zend newsletter just showed up - turns out they have

Re: : web development on OpenBSD

2008-04-29 Thread Raimo Niskanen
On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 05:15:43PM +0200, Marc Espie wrote: > I am currently running a web site which says http://joomla.* > > Strangely enough, it's a drupal site, with no joomla at all. > > (after spending a week of hair pulling trying to coerce joomla > to do whatever I wanted, as the `best-o

Re: web development on OpenBSD

2008-04-29 Thread Joel Sing
On Tuesday 29 April 2008, Sam Fourman Jr. wrote: > > You've got a choice of classical web dev environments, like perl's > > Mason, which are fast, but a bit difficult to code for, and so-called > > `modern' web environments, like ruby-on-rails, or perl's catalyst (or php > > symphony, if I'm right

Re: web development on OpenBSD

2008-04-29 Thread Marc Espie
I am currently running a web site which says http://joomla.* Strangely enough, it's a drupal site, with no joomla at all. (after spending a week of hair pulling trying to coerce joomla to do whatever I wanted, as the `best-of-breed' solution of choice to brain-dead newbies, I settled on a sensib

Re: web development on OpenBSD

2008-04-29 Thread raven
Bojan Nastic ha scritto: eBay used to use C++. There was a .pdf some time ago where they described some of their C++ stuff (and compiler errors like "too many class methods", good ol' code generators...) They've since moved to Java, but I don't remember if it's a 100% Java shop now. I think

Re: web development on OpenBSD

2008-04-29 Thread Eric Faurot
On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 20:08:37 +1200 Richard Toohey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello, > > I plan to develop a money management app for personal use on > OpenBSD. Since I am not big on any backend /prog.language I have > decided to ask the experts, what should i choose. Based on the > consensus and

Re: web development on OpenBSD

2008-04-29 Thread Richard Toohey
On 28/04/2008, at 8:29 AM, badeguruji wrote: Hello, I plan to develop a money management app for personal use on OpenBSD. Since I am not big on any backend /prog.language I have decided to ask the experts, what should i choose. Based on the consensus and depth of a response, I will devote

Re: web development on OpenBSD

2008-04-28 Thread Bojan Nastic
eBay used to use C++. There was a .pdf some time ago where they described some of their C++ stuff (and compiler errors like "too many class methods", good ol' code generators...) They've since moved to Java, but I don't remember if it's a 100% Java shop now. As for Amazon, look at their Web

Re: web development on OpenBSD

2008-04-28 Thread raven
Bertrand Janin ha scritto: I Wonder what amazon.com and Ebay.com use? it would stand to reason that they would need speed any place they can get it. I wonder if they use C? I remember seeing "Sun" microbanners here and there on eBay, it might scream "Java". But, sometimes, you see some

Re: web development on OpenBSD

2008-04-28 Thread Bertrand Janin
> I Wonder what amazon.com and Ebay.com use? it would stand to reason > that they would need speed any place they can get it. > I wonder if they use C? I remember seeing "Sun" microbanners here and there on eBay, it might scream "Java".

Re: web development on OpenBSD

2008-04-28 Thread Sam Fourman Jr.
> You've got a choice of classical web dev environments, like perl's Mason, > which are fast, but a bit difficult to code for, and so-called `modern' > web environments, like ruby-on-rails, or perl's catalyst (or php symphony, > if I'm right), which would be nice, except that they're REAL SLOW,

Re: web development on OpenBSD

2008-04-28 Thread Marc Espie
On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 09:56:19AM -0300, Vinicius Vianna wrote: > Maybe the best languages for start web development would be PHP and Perl, i > don't know about ruby since i've never used it, but a lot of people talks > nicely about it ;) The current situation sucks a bit. You've got a choice

Re: web development on OpenBSD

2008-04-28 Thread raven
Amarendra Godbole ha scritto: On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 6:50 AM, bofh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: As others have mentioned - postgresql. Superior database, scalable above 8 cpus, unlike mysql. And everything comes with it, unlike mysql, where you have to pay for "enterprise features" (at le

Re: web development on OpenBSD

2008-04-28 Thread Vinicius Vianna
bofh wrote: On language - remember, PHP's design goal (as late as v3) was for complete non-programmers to be able to pick it up and write programs immediately. You can imagine how that can cause issues for security. Most libraries or add-ons you install for PHP require you to run in insecure mod

Re: web development on OpenBSD

2008-04-27 Thread bofh
On Sun, Apr 27, 2008 at 10:50 PM, Amarendra Godbole < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > IMHO, C is not very easy to pick up for a started, and is not very > well suited for web-development (well, yes, there are web apps in C, > but they are exceptions than the norm). I strongly recommend python, > as I

Re: web development on OpenBSD

2008-04-27 Thread Timothy Wilson
Hi there, I was in a similar position to you a few months ago. I decided to go with Ruby on Rails, it's really simple! But to get the most out of it you should buy a book. "Agile Development with rails" is a good one. It might be worth reading a php + mysql tutorial just to see how yucky it is.

Re: web development on OpenBSD

2008-04-27 Thread Amarendra Godbole
On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 6:50 AM, bofh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > As others have mentioned - postgresql. Superior database, scalable above 8 > cpus, unlike mysql. And everything comes with it, unlike mysql, where you > have to pay for "enterprise features" (at least 4.x, no idea about 5.x). >

Re: web development on OpenBSD

2008-04-27 Thread bofh
On Sun, Apr 27, 2008 at 4:29 PM, badeguruji <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello, > > requirement: Browser based app. with AJAX (multiuser if possible) > my_hardware_limitation: 40gig disk, 1GB RAM , no video RAM, pentium 4 CPU > 2GHz > Since people were running multi user systems on UNIX on 64k o

Re: web development on OpenBSD

2008-04-27 Thread Curt Micol
On Sun, Apr 27, 2008 at 6:21 PM, Sam Fourman Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > which components will be a good fit?: > > > > 1. Backend: MySQL or SQLite > > 2. webserver: apache or Lighttpd > > 3. development language: PHP or Java or Javascript (and XML I guess) > > > > Thanks in advanc

Re: web development on OpenBSD

2008-04-27 Thread Sam Fourman Jr.
> which components will be a good fit?: > > 1. Backend: MySQL or SQLite > 2. webserver: apache or Lighttpd > 3. development language: PHP or Java or Javascript (and XML I guess) > > Thanks in advance. > -BG I would give PostgreSQL a look, it doesn't get as much press as MySQL, But it is VERY

web development on OpenBSD

2008-04-27 Thread badeguruji
Hello, I plan to develop a money management app for personal use on OpenBSD. Since I am not big on any backend /prog.language I have decided to ask the experts, what should i choose. Based on the consensus and depth of a response, I will devote my time studying that language/server and try to b