Re: : : web development on OpenBSD (Drupal)

2008-05-01 Thread Richard Toohey
On 30/04/2008, at 7:36 PM, Raimo Niskanen wrote: Oops my bad english. I thought drupal was a for me unknown common english word, not a CMS name. It was which CMS system you had chosen I was curious to know... Which brings us back to the OP's question on web development software on OpenBSD

Re: : : web development on OpenBSD (Drupal)

2008-05-01 Thread Marc Espie
back to the OP's question on web development software on OpenBSD ... Technically, drupal is just an extensible cms. web development still encompasses way more than that. ;-)

Re: : : web development on OpenBSD

2008-04-30 Thread Raimo Niskanen
On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 07:47:08PM +0200, Marc Espie wrote: On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 06:10:41PM +0200, Raimo Niskanen wrote: On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 05:15:43PM +0200, Marc Espie wrote: I am currently running a web site which says http://joomla.* Strangely enough, it's a drupal site,

Re: : : web development on OpenBSD

2008-04-30 Thread Marc Espie
On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 09:36:59AM +0200, Raimo Niskanen wrote: From which release is Drupal in ports? I can not find it in OpenBSD 4.1. I know it is time to upgrade but my installation runs sooo nicely now. 4.3, excellent time to update.

Re: web development on OpenBSD

2008-04-29 Thread Richard Toohey
On 28/04/2008, at 8:29 AM, badeguruji wrote: Hello, I plan to develop a money management app for personal use on OpenBSD. Since I am not big on any backend /prog.language I have decided to ask the experts, what should i choose. Based on the consensus and depth of a response, I will

Re: web development on OpenBSD

2008-04-29 Thread Eric Faurot
On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 20:08:37 +1200 Richard Toohey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I plan to develop a money management app for personal use on OpenBSD. Since I am not big on any backend /prog.language I have decided to ask the experts, what should i choose. Based on the consensus and depth

Re: web development on OpenBSD

2008-04-29 Thread raven
Bojan Nastic ha scritto: eBay used to use C++. There was a .pdf some time ago where they described some of their C++ stuff (and compiler errors like too many class methods, good ol' code generators...) They've since moved to Java, but I don't remember if it's a 100% Java shop now. I think

Re: web development on OpenBSD

2008-04-29 Thread Marc Espie
I am currently running a web site which says http://joomla.* Strangely enough, it's a drupal site, with no joomla at all. (after spending a week of hair pulling trying to coerce joomla to do whatever I wanted, as the `best-of-breed' solution of choice to brain-dead newbies, I settled on a

Re: web development on OpenBSD

2008-04-29 Thread Joel Sing
On Tuesday 29 April 2008, Sam Fourman Jr. wrote: You've got a choice of classical web dev environments, like perl's Mason, which are fast, but a bit difficult to code for, and so-called `modern' web environments, like ruby-on-rails, or perl's catalyst (or php symphony, if I'm right),

Re: : web development on OpenBSD

2008-04-29 Thread Raimo Niskanen
On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 05:15:43PM +0200, Marc Espie wrote: I am currently running a web site which says http://joomla.* Strangely enough, it's a drupal site, with no joomla at all. (after spending a week of hair pulling trying to coerce joomla to do whatever I wanted, as the

Re: web development on OpenBSD

2008-04-29 Thread L. V. Lammert
At 01:07 PM 4/29/2008 +0200, you wrote: PHP is complete crap and a disaster as a programming language. Java is way too cumbersome. For this kind of use-case, I would definitely use python and twisted+nevow+axiom. Coincidentally, the latest Zend newsletter just showed up - turns out they have

Re: web development on OpenBSD

2008-04-29 Thread Marc Espie
On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 01:42:05AM +1000, Joel Sing wrote: AFAIK Amazon.com is primarily developed using Mason, an excellent Perl-based web site development and delivery engine - I highly recommend it: http://www.masonhq.com/ Yeah, historically, that's been the case. I have absolutely no

Re: : web development on OpenBSD

2008-04-29 Thread Marc Espie
On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 06:10:41PM +0200, Raimo Niskanen wrote: On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 05:15:43PM +0200, Marc Espie wrote: I am currently running a web site which says http://joomla.* Strangely enough, it's a drupal site, with no joomla at all. (after spending a week of hair pulling

Re: web development on OpenBSD

2008-04-29 Thread Chris Tankersley
L. V. Lammert wrote: At 01:07 PM 4/29/2008 +0200, you wrote: PHP is complete crap and a disaster as a programming language. Java is way too cumbersome. For this kind of use-case, I would definitely use python and twisted+nevow+axiom. Coincidentally, the latest Zend newsletter just showed

Re: web development on OpenBSD

2008-04-28 Thread Vinicius Vianna
bofh wrote: On language - remember, PHP's design goal (as late as v3) was for complete non-programmers to be able to pick it up and write programs immediately. You can imagine how that can cause issues for security. Most libraries or add-ons you install for PHP require you to run in insecure

Re: web development on OpenBSD

2008-04-28 Thread raven
Amarendra Godbole ha scritto: On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 6:50 AM, bofh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As others have mentioned - postgresql. Superior database, scalable above 8 cpus, unlike mysql. And everything comes with it, unlike mysql, where you have to pay for enterprise features (at least

Re: web development on OpenBSD

2008-04-28 Thread Marc Espie
On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 09:56:19AM -0300, Vinicius Vianna wrote: Maybe the best languages for start web development would be PHP and Perl, i don't know about ruby since i've never used it, but a lot of people talks nicely about it ;) The current situation sucks a bit. You've got a choice of

Re: web development on OpenBSD

2008-04-28 Thread Sam Fourman Jr.
You've got a choice of classical web dev environments, like perl's Mason, which are fast, but a bit difficult to code for, and so-called `modern' web environments, like ruby-on-rails, or perl's catalyst (or php symphony, if I'm right), which would be nice, except that they're REAL SLOW,

Re: web development on OpenBSD

2008-04-28 Thread Bertrand Janin
I Wonder what amazon.com and Ebay.com use? it would stand to reason that they would need speed any place they can get it. I wonder if they use C? I remember seeing Sun microbanners here and there on eBay, it might scream Java.

Re: web development on OpenBSD

2008-04-28 Thread raven
Bertrand Janin ha scritto: I Wonder what amazon.com and Ebay.com use? it would stand to reason that they would need speed any place they can get it. I wonder if they use C? I remember seeing Sun microbanners here and there on eBay, it might scream Java. But, sometimes, you see

Re: web development on OpenBSD

2008-04-28 Thread Bojan Nastic
eBay used to use C++. There was a .pdf some time ago where they described some of their C++ stuff (and compiler errors like too many class methods, good ol' code generators...) They've since moved to Java, but I don't remember if it's a 100% Java shop now. As for Amazon, look at their Web

web development on OpenBSD

2008-04-27 Thread badeguruji
Hello, I plan to develop a money management app for personal use on OpenBSD. Since I am not big on any backend /prog.language I have decided to ask the experts, what should i choose. Based on the consensus and depth of a response, I will devote my time studying that language/server and try to

Re: web development on OpenBSD

2008-04-27 Thread Sam Fourman Jr.
which components will be a good fit?: 1. Backend: MySQL or SQLite 2. webserver: apache or Lighttpd 3. development language: PHP or Java or Javascript (and XML I guess) Thanks in advance. -BG I would give PostgreSQL a look, it doesn't get as much press as MySQL, But it is VERY solid,

Re: web development on OpenBSD

2008-04-27 Thread Curt Micol
On Sun, Apr 27, 2008 at 6:21 PM, Sam Fourman Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: which components will be a good fit?: 1. Backend: MySQL or SQLite 2. webserver: apache or Lighttpd 3. development language: PHP or Java or Javascript (and XML I guess) Thanks in advance. -BG I

Re: web development on OpenBSD

2008-04-27 Thread bofh
On Sun, Apr 27, 2008 at 4:29 PM, badeguruji [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, requirement: Browser based app. with AJAX (multiuser if possible) my_hardware_limitation: 40gig disk, 1GB RAM , no video RAM, pentium 4 CPU 2GHz Since people were running multi user systems on UNIX on 64k of ram

Re: web development on OpenBSD

2008-04-27 Thread Amarendra Godbole
On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 6:50 AM, bofh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As others have mentioned - postgresql. Superior database, scalable above 8 cpus, unlike mysql. And everything comes with it, unlike mysql, where you have to pay for enterprise features (at least 4.x, no idea about 5.x). If

Re: web development on OpenBSD

2008-04-27 Thread Timothy Wilson
Hi there, I was in a similar position to you a few months ago. I decided to go with Ruby on Rails, it's really simple! But to get the most out of it you should buy a book. Agile Development with rails is a good one. It might be worth reading a php + mysql tutorial just to see how yucky it is.

Re: web development on OpenBSD

2008-04-27 Thread bofh
On Sun, Apr 27, 2008 at 10:50 PM, Amarendra Godbole [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IMHO, C is not very easy to pick up for a started, and is not very well suited for web-development (well, yes, there are web apps in C, but they are exceptions than the norm). I strongly recommend python, as I find