Re: ComixWall terminated [WAS: ComixWall 4.6 released, December 8, 2009]

2009-12-09 Thread Bayard Bell
Am 9 Dec 2009 um 19:01 schrieb Christopher Zimmermann: On Wed, 9 Dec 2009 13:38:56 -0500 Jason Dixon wrote: How does the announcement of new releases for ComixWall help OpenBSD? It helps in promoting OpenBSD. And this is the official purpose of the advocasy mailing list. So I think that an

Re: ComixWall terminated [WAS: ComixWall 4.6 released, December 8, 2009]

2009-12-09 Thread Matthias Kilian
On Wed, Dec 09, 2009 at 08:01:05PM +0100, Christopher Zimmermann wrote: > > How does abstraction of arguably the cleanest, easiest to > > learn UNIX, help OpenBSD? > > It helps in promoting OpenBSD. Promoting OpenBSD will make > OpenBSD more widely known. This will attract more possible > develo

Re: ComixWall terminated [WAS: ComixWall 4.6 released, December 8, 2009]

2009-12-09 Thread Christopher Zimmermann
On Wed, 9 Dec 2009 20:43:59 +0100 Martin Schr__der wrote: > 2009/12/9 Christopher Zimmermann : > > On Wed, 9 Dec 2009 13:38:56 -0500 > > Jason Dixon wrote: > > > >> How does the announcement of new releases for ComixWall > >> help OpenBSD? > > > > It helps in promoting OpenBSD. And this is the o

Re: ComixWall terminated [WAS: ComixWall 4.6 released, December 8, 2009]

2009-12-09 Thread Gonzalo Nemmi
On Wednesday 09 December 2009 5:25:59 pm Michiel van Baak wrote: > On 20:01, Wed 09 Dec 09, Christopher Zimmermann wrote: > > On Wed, 9 Dec 2009 13:38:56 -0500 > > Jason Dixon wrote: > > > > It helps in promoting OpenBSD. Promoting OpenBSD will make > > OpenBSD more widely known. This will attract

Re: ComixWall terminated [WAS: ComixWall 4.6 released, December 8, 2009]

2009-12-09 Thread Theo de Raadt
> So .. in the end, the fact that ComixWall uses OpenBSD as it's > fundation, _does_ help promote OpenBSD use and expand it's user > base Bullshit. Please get this off our lists.

Re: ComixWall terminated [WAS: ComixWall 4.6 released, December 8, 2009]

2009-12-09 Thread Martin Schröder
2009/12/9 Christopher Zimmermann : > On Wed, 9 Dec 2009 13:38:56 -0500 > Jason Dixon wrote: > >> How does the announcement of new releases for ComixWall >> help OpenBSD? > > It helps in promoting OpenBSD. And this is the official > purpose of the advocasy mailing list. I seriously doubt that Theo

Re: ComixWall terminated [WAS: ComixWall 4.6 released, December 8, 2009]

2009-12-09 Thread J Sisson
On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 1:01 PM, Christopher Zimmermann wrote: > If this is true, it's a pity. Then comixwall just died. > > Theo told Soner to cease. Soner came back with "if you don't tell me you were just joking, I'm going to terminate the Comixwall project". It was Soner's choice. He threw h

Re: ComixWall terminated [WAS: ComixWall 4.6 released, December 8, 2009]

2009-12-09 Thread Ted Unangst
On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 2:01 PM, Christopher Zimmermann wrote: > It helps in promoting OpenBSD. Promoting OpenBSD will make > OpenBSD more widely known. This will attract more possible > developers. They will write code for OpenBSD. This will help > OpenBSD. If OpenBSD is hard to use, people shoul

Re: ComixWall terminated [WAS: ComixWall 4.6 released, December 8, 2009]

2009-12-09 Thread Michiel van Baak
On 20:01, Wed 09 Dec 09, Christopher Zimmermann wrote: > On Wed, 9 Dec 2009 13:38:56 -0500 > Jason Dixon wrote: > > It helps in promoting OpenBSD. Promoting OpenBSD will make > OpenBSD more widely known. This will attract more possible > developers. They will write code for OpenBSD. This will h

Re: ComixWall terminated [WAS: ComixWall 4.6 released, December 8, 2009]

2009-12-09 Thread Gonzalo Nemmi
On Wednesday 09 December 2009 5:01:05 pm Christopher Zimmermann wrote: > On Wed, 9 Dec 2009 13:38:56 -0500 > > Jason Dixon wrote: > > How does the announcement of new releases for ComixWall > > help OpenBSD? > > It helps in promoting OpenBSD. And this is the official > purpose of the advocasy mail

Re: ComixWall terminated [WAS: ComixWall 4.6 released, December 8, 2009]

2009-12-09 Thread Christopher Zimmermann
On Wed, 9 Dec 2009 13:38:56 -0500 Jason Dixon wrote: > How does the announcement of new releases for ComixWall > help OpenBSD? It helps in promoting OpenBSD. And this is the official purpose of the advocasy mailing list. So I think that announcements of ComixWall releases could go into the ad

Re: ComixWall terminated [WAS: ComixWall 4.6 released, December 8, 2009]

2009-12-09 Thread Ted Unangst
On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 1:26 PM, Christopher Zimmermann wrote: >> Do we see release announcements here for other new ports? > > I'm quite new to OpenBSD, but I already read a few "NEW:" > and "UPDATED:" announcements on the -ports mailing list. This is the misc list, not the ports list. They are

Re: ComixWall terminated [WAS: ComixWall 4.6 released, December 8, 2009]

2009-12-09 Thread Jason Dixon
On Wed, Dec 09, 2009 at 07:26:39PM +0100, Christopher Zimmermann wrote: > > I'm quite new to OpenBSD, but I already read a few "NEW:" > and "UPDATED:" announcements on the -ports mailing list. misc != ports > The only problem is the advocacy list is quite dead. So the > decision to post the a

Re: ComixWall terminated [WAS: ComixWall 4.6 released, December 8, 2009]

2009-12-09 Thread Christopher Zimmermann
On Wed, 9 Dec 2009 10:37:01 -0700 Bob Beck wrote: > > COMIXWALL isn't a fork, its just a preinstalled > > configuration panel for OpenBSD and a collection of > > nice utilities. > > > So it belongs as a a port then. Not as a "distibution" - > and not sending release announcements to OpenBSD lists

Re: ComixWall terminated [WAS: ComixWall 4.6 released, December 8, 2009]

2009-12-09 Thread J Sisson
On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Bob Beck wrote: > the point is simple: > > * Release Announcements For things that are not OpenBSD do not belong > on OpenBSD lists * > In both quoted responses Theo specifically mentioned the lists and for the OP to quit posting ads. I thought the message was q

Re: ComixWall terminated [WAS: ComixWall 4.6 released, December 8, 2009]

2009-12-09 Thread Jussi Peltola
This is just silly. If you make a firewall distribution to "promote OpenBSD" instead of making a firewall distribution, your source of motivation is wrong. OpenBSD is free software. You are completely free to use it as a basis for your firewall distribution. The project, on the other hand, does n

Re: ComixWall terminated [WAS: ComixWall 4.6 released, December 8, 2009]

2009-12-09 Thread Bob Beck
> COMIXWALL isn't a fork, its just a preinstalled configuration panel > for OpenBSD and a collection of nice utilities. > > And considering (and no offence here) the COMIXWALL developers are > enthusiasts not paid professional developers. > So where's the harm asking some advice? >After all let

Re: ComixWall terminated [WAS: ComixWall 4.6 released, December 8, 2009]

2009-12-09 Thread Ross Cameron
This is a VERY sad day :( Personally I managed to convert quite a few people to using OpenBSD by coaxing an interest via COMIXWALL. A grand pity and unfortunately if I were you I'd probably have done the same :( OpenBSD is possibly the cleanest most delightful OS to work on and most definitely th

Re: ComixWall terminated [WAS: ComixWall 4.6 released, December 8, 2009]

2009-12-09 Thread Ross Cameron
On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 7:07 PM, Jason Dixon wrote: > I'm not taking sides, but how exactly are you "trying to help"? B The few > times I've seen you post to misc@ have been to promote your own fork of > OpenBSD, or to ask for help in getting your own stuff running. B How > exactly does this help t

Re: ComixWall terminated [WAS: ComixWall 4.6 released, December 8, 2009]

2009-12-09 Thread Jason Dixon
On Wed, Dec 09, 2009 at 06:31:05PM +0200, Soner Tari wrote: > Due to unexpected reaction from the leader of the OpenBSD project > (please read below), I am terminating the ComixWall project. I will keep > the project server running until the end of this month. I might > resurrect the project in the

ComixWall terminated [WAS: ComixWall 4.6 released, December 8, 2009]

2009-12-09 Thread Soner Tari
Due to unexpected reaction from the leader of the OpenBSD project (please read below), I am terminating the ComixWall project. I will keep the project server running until the end of this month. I might resurrect the project in the future with another host OS perhaps. I am going to unsubscribe fro