Re: European orders - Thank you Theo and your team, some of us appreciate you!

2009-04-30 Thread Michael Grigoni
Steve Fairhead wrote: snip Second, you mentioned embedded work, which is my main work area. Yes, embedded stuff needs to be stable long-term - but the Internet isn't: threats change, and OpenBSD evolves. A classic solution to that (which I've used) is to simply accept that the legacy embedded

Re: European orders - Thank you Theo and your team, some of us appreciate you!

2009-04-30 Thread Henning Brauer
* Michael Grigoni michael.grig...@cybertheque.org [2009-04-30 19:51]: I agree online threats change; my argument is for a stable core o/s, with patches made for threat mitigation and stable API and ABI and configuration within a major release number, to make life easier for small shops that

Re: European orders - Thank you Theo and your team, some of us appreciate you!

2009-04-30 Thread Michael Grigoni
Henning Brauer wrote: * Michael Grigoni michael.grig...@cybertheque.org [2009-04-30 19:51]: snip we do not tend to drop support for hardware. happens for really really ancient stuff (10years) from time to time, but even that seldom. In the context of this discussion, the hardware is about

Re: European orders - Thank you Theo and your team, some of us appreciate you!

2009-04-30 Thread Henning Brauer
* Michael Grigoni michael.grig...@cybertheque.org [2009-04-30 21:42]: Henning Brauer wrote: * Michael Grigoni michael.grig...@cybertheque.org [2009-04-30 19:51]: snip we do not tend to drop support for hardware. happens for really really ancient stuff (10years) from time to time, but even

Re: European orders - Thank you Theo and your team,some of us appreciate you!

2009-04-30 Thread William Chivers
And can I ask you Michael what any of this has to do with my original post? Look at the subject. Why not start your own thread instead of hi-jacking someone else's? Bill - William J. Chivers Lecturer in Information Technology School of DCIT Faculty

Re: European orders - Thank you Theo and your team,some of us appreciate you!

2009-04-30 Thread Michael Grigoni
William Chivers wrote: And can I ask you Michael what any of this has to do with my original post? Look at the subject. Why not start your own thread instead of hi-jacking someone else's? I was replying to Steve Fairhead's post of 04/12... Steve Fairhead wrote: Slightly late in responding

Re: European orders - Thank you Theo and your team, some of us appreciate you!

2009-04-30 Thread William Chivers
Hello Michael, Apologies, I guess I was irritated that my original post, with the title above and written a few weeks ago, was immediately hijacked back then and my original point was lost. Even Theo responded, not to my point but to the hijack, which was a rather ignorant question. Such is

Re: European orders - Thank you Theo and your team, some of us appreciate you!

2009-04-13 Thread Nick Guenther
Because, you know, blind faith has such a solid track record and reputation. On 31/03/2009, David Schulz mailingli...@pg-sec.com wrote: For me, i cant even estimate the time and effort that goes into all the related work and issues for OpenBSD, and thus am more than thankful. OpenBSD sits in

Re: European orders - Thank you Theo and your team, some of us appreciate you!

2009-04-13 Thread Aaron Glenn
On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 1:08 AM, Artur Grabowski a...@blahonga.org wrote: Is it troll-week on m...@? if only it could be confined to one week a year...

Re: European orders - Thank you Theo and your team, some of us appreciate you!

2009-04-12 Thread Steve Fairhead
Slightly late in responding to this, but hey: Michael Grigoni wrote: William Chivers wrote: Thank you Theo and your team of developers for OpenBSD. Some people responding to the European Orders thread seem to have lost sight of what OpenBSD is and who develops it. I am a bit of a newbie

Re: European orders - Thank you Theo and your team, some of us appreciate you!

2009-03-31 Thread David Schulz
For me, i cant even estimate the time and effort that goes into all the related work and issues for OpenBSD, and thus am more than thankful. OpenBSD sits in every important Corner for two Businesses i am involved in, I could not live without it. I purchase each CD that comes out, have all the

Re: European orders - Thank you Theo and your team, some of us appreciate you!

2009-03-31 Thread Jesus Sanchez
David Schulz escribis: For me, i cant even estimate the time and effort that goes into all the related work and issues for OpenBSD, and thus am more than thankful. OpenBSD sits in every important Corner for two Businesses i am involved in, I could not live without it. I purchase each CD that

Re: European orders - Thank you Theo and your team, some of us appreciate you!

2009-03-31 Thread Artur Grabowski
Michael Grigoni michael.grig...@cybertheque.org writes: I also add my thanks to the discussion. I do have a fundamental question to pose however. It seems that opensource culture for large projects is driven by featurism and the need to make massive changes incorporated into frequent

Re: European orders - Thank you Theo and your team, some of us appreciate you!

2009-03-31 Thread Daniel Bolgheroni
On Mon, 30 Mar 2009, Michael Grigoni wrote: A modular approach to an O/S would be welcome; say a major version every five years, with an a la carte menu of features, which are subject to versioning much like there is a 'version 3 MS-Windows', with known performance characteristics and

Re: European orders - Thank you Theo and your team, some of us appreciate you!

2009-03-30 Thread William Chivers
Hello, Thank you Theo and your team of developers for OpenBSD. Some people responding to the European Orders thread seem to have lost sight of what OpenBSD is and who develops it. I am a bit of a newbie here (although I have been using computers in my career since 1972), but it seems to me

Re: European orders - Thank you Theo and your team, some of us appreciate you!

2009-03-30 Thread Michael Grigoni
William Chivers wrote: Hello, Thank you Theo and your team of developers for OpenBSD. Some people responding to the European Orders thread seem to have lost sight of what OpenBSD is and who develops it. I am a bit of a newbie here (although I have been using computers in my career since

Re: European orders - Thank you Theo and your team, some of us appreciate you!

2009-03-30 Thread Theo de Raadt
I also add my thanks to the discussion. I do have a fundamental question to pose however. It seems that opensource culture for large projects is driven by featurism and the need to make massive changes incorporated into frequent releases. I come from a background of very long-term

Re: European orders - Thank you Theo and your team, some of us appreciate you!

2009-03-30 Thread Henning Brauer
* Michael Grigoni michael.grig...@cybertheque.org [2009-03-31 04:38]: A modular approach to an O/S would be welcome; say a major version every five years, with an a la carte menu of features, which are subject to versioning and upgrade over that period, and maintenance of a stable set of APIs,