Long life on SSD in a firewall environment

2016-06-19 Thread Sjöholm Per-Olov
Hi Does anyone know if there exist any list of recommendations about how to make an SSD disk to live as long as possible when using it for firewall purpose on OpenBSD? It seems that OpenBSD lack some features related to SSDs like TRIM. SSDs are getting more popular, but I cannot find much info in

Re: Long life on SSD in a firewall environment

2016-06-19 Thread Marcus MERIGHI
p...@incedo.org (Sj??holm Per-Olov), 2016.06.19 (Sun) 11:56 (CEST): > Does anyone know if there exist any list of recommendations about how > to make an SSD disk to live as long as possible when using it for > firewall purpose on OpenBSD? http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=144738462109908 Bye,

Re: Long life on SSD in a firewall environment

2016-06-19 Thread Stefan Sperling
On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:56:57AM +0200, Sjöholm Per-Olov wrote: > Hi > > Does anyone know if there exist any list of recommendations about how to make > an SSD disk to live as long as possible when using it for firewall purpose on > OpenBSD? It seems that OpenBSD lack some features related to S

Re: Long life on SSD in a firewall environment

2016-06-19 Thread Paul Suh
> On Jun 19, 2016, at 5:56 AM, Sjöholm Per-Olov wrote: > > Hi > > Does anyone know if there exist any list of recommendations about how to make > an SSD disk to live as long as possible when using it for firewall purpose on > OpenBSD? It seems that OpenBSD lack some features related to SSDs like

Re: Long life on SSD in a firewall environment

2016-06-19 Thread Chris Cappuccio
Paul Suh [pl...@goodeast.com] wrote: > > Sj??holm, > > Take a look at: > > https://github.com/yellowman/flashrd > https://github.com/markhellewell/resflash > > Hope this helps. > I'd just use a regular install on a a modern SSD. flashrd and other techniques are great for _cheap_ and potential

Re: Long life on SSD in a firewall environment

2016-06-19 Thread Chris Cappuccio
Sj??holm Per-Olov [p...@incedo.org] wrote: > Hi > > Does anyone know if there exist any list of recommendations about how to make > an SSD disk to live as long as possible when using it for firewall purpose on > OpenBSD? It seems that OpenBSD lack some features related to SSDs like TRIM. > SSDs a

Re: Long life on SSD in a firewall environment

2016-06-19 Thread Edgar Pettijohn
On 16-06-19 11:56:57, Sj??holm Per-Olov wrote: > Hi > > Does anyone know if there exist any list of recommendations about how to make > an SSD disk to live as long as possible when using it for firewall purpose on > OpenBSD? It seems that OpenBSD lack some features related to SSDs like TRIM. > SS

Re: Long life on SSD in a firewall environment

2016-06-19 Thread lists
"I am afraid to upgrade".. is a total deal breaker, just buy a good SSD. Install as if installing on a HDD, it does not make a difference, except that you pay more. When you fill the SSD it will perform just as a HDD.

Re: Long life on SSD in a firewall environment

2016-06-19 Thread Edgar Pettijohn
Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 19, 2016, at 11:34 AM, li...@wrant.com wrote: > > "I am afraid to upgrade".. is a total deal breaker, just buy a good SSD. What deal? At the time of install those weren't issues. If I upgrade they become issues. Very minor issues, but it will take user intervention (t

Re: Long life on SSD in a firewall environment

2016-06-19 Thread lists
Sun, 19 Jun 2016 12:32:38 -0500 Edgar Pettijohn > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jun 19, 2016, at 11:34 AM, li...@wrant.com wrote: > > > > "I am afraid to upgrade".. is a total deal breaker, just buy a good SSD. > > What deal? Of maintaining the system via regular updates. This is an important

Re: Long life on SSD in a firewall environment

2016-06-19 Thread Edgar Pettijohn
On 16-06-19 21:02:45, li...@wrant.com wrote: > Sun, 19 Jun 2016 12:32:38 -0500 Edgar Pettijohn > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > On Jun 19, 2016, at 11:34 AM, li...@wrant.com wrote: > > > > > > "I am afraid to upgrade".. is a total deal breaker, just buy a good SSD. > > > > What deal? > > O

Re: Long life on SSD in a firewall environment

2016-06-19 Thread Paolo Aglialoro
U told about a firewall, that one is no way a write intensive task, so in this use case it would go well any SSD. If u really think about a write intensive use case, I would go for Samsung 850EVO devices: the 500gb model of the previous 840pro has been tested to write more than 1.9pb before dying

Re: Long life on SSD in a firewall environment

2016-06-19 Thread lists
Sun, 19 Jun 2016 13:27:09 -0500 Edgar Pettijohn > I am not unable to upgrade. I choose not to at this time. It is your choice, other users of the operating system want to be able. > > Synopsis: there is no need to treat SSD any special way user level. > > To ensure long life, it is more importan

Re: Long life on SSD in a firewall environment

2016-06-19 Thread Chris Bennett
On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 09:02:45PM +0300, li...@wrant.com wrote: > The only hot spot > > To ensure long life, it is more important to keep electronics cool. > An excellent way to keep your firewall box "cool" is to put some nice OpenBSD stickers on the outside. Be sure to wear an OpenBSD

Re: Long life on SSD in a firewall environment

2016-06-19 Thread lists
Sun, 19 Jun 2016 15:13:35 -0500 Chris Bennett > > To ensure long life, it is more important to keep electronics cool. > > An excellent way to keep your firewall box "cool" is to put some nice > OpenBSD stickers on the outside. Be sure to wear an OpenBSD tee-shirt > while applying them. Yes, stic

Re: Long life on SSD in a firewall environment

2016-06-19 Thread lists
Sun, 19 Jun 2016 08:09:24 -0700 Chris Cappuccio > I'd just use a regular install on a a modern SSD. flashrd and other > techniques are great for _cheap_ and potentially buggy or otherwise > less reliable flash, such as USB sticks or SD cards. A gateway and a local server here both ran 5 yrs off a

Re: Long life on SSD in a firewall environment

2016-06-19 Thread Edgar Pettijohn
Sent from my iPhone On Jun 19, 2016, at 2:58 PM, li...@wrant.com wrote: >>> Sun, 19 Jun 2016 13:27:09 -0500 Edgar Pettijohn I am not unable to upgrade. I choose not to at this time. > >>> On Jun 19, 2016, at 1:59 PM, li...@wrant.com wrote: >>> "I am not unable to run with the chain on my an

Re: Long life on SSD in a firewall environment

2016-06-19 Thread lists
Sun, 19 Jun 2016 21:35:04 -0500 Edgar Pettijohn > Sent from my iPhone > ... > Ok. Thanks for the seller advice. Who said it's seller advice? I said your idea is not a good idea at all.

Re: Long life on SSD in a firewall environment

2016-06-19 Thread Edgar Pettijohn
Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 19, 2016, at 11:01 PM, li...@wrant.com wrote: > > Sun, 19 Jun 2016 21:35:04 -0500 Edgar Pettijohn >> Sent from my iPhone >> ... >> Ok. Thanks for the seller advice. > > Who said it's seller advice? I said your idea is not a good idea at all. > My idea was sharing inf

Re: Long life on SSD in a firewall environment

2016-06-19 Thread lists
Sun, 19 Jun 2016 23:05:34 -0500 Edgar Pettijohn > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jun 19, 2016, at 11:01 PM, li...@wrant.com wrote: > > > > Sun, 19 Jun 2016 21:35:04 -0500 Edgar Pettijohn > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> ... > >> Ok. Thanks for the seller advice. > > > > Who said it's seller adv

Re: Long life on SSD in a firewall environment

2016-06-20 Thread Edgar Pettijohn
Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 19, 2016, at 11:19 PM, li...@wrant.com wrote: > > Sun, 19 Jun 2016 23:05:34 -0500 Edgar Pettijohn > >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jun 19, 2016, at 11:01 PM, li...@wrant.com wrote: >>> >>> Sun, 19 Jun 2016 21:35:04 -0500 Edgar Pettijohn Sent from my iPhone >>>

Re: Long life on SSD in a firewall environment

2016-06-21 Thread Kenneth Gober
On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 5:56 AM, Sjöholm Per-Olov wrote: > Does anyone know if there exist any list of recommendations about how to make > an SSD disk to live as long as possible when using it for firewall purpose on > OpenBSD? I don't know of a list, aside from what you find in this thread and s

Re: Long life on SSD in a firewall environment

2016-06-21 Thread lists
Tue, 21 Jun 2016 09:55:47 -0400 Kenneth Gober > On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 5:56 AM, Sjöholm Per-Olov wrote: > > Does anyone know if there exist any list of recommendations about how to > make > > an SSD disk to live as long as possible when using it for firewall purpose > on > > OpenBSD? > > I don't

Re: Long life on SSD in a firewall environment

2016-06-21 Thread Gregory Edigarov
On 21.06.16 16:55, Kenneth Gober wrote: On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 5:56 AM, Sjöholm Per-Olov wrote: Does anyone know if there exist any list of recommendations about how to make an SSD disk to live as long as possible when using it for firewall purpose on OpenBSD? I don't know of a list, asid

Re: Long life on SSD in a firewall environment

2016-06-21 Thread trondd
On Sun, June 19, 2016 5:56 am, Sjöholm Per-Olov wrote: > Hi > > Does anyone know if there exist any list of recommendations about how to > make > an SSD disk to live as long as possible when using it for firewall purpose > on > OpenBSD? Since a firewall doesn't need much disk space and it's easie

Re: Long life on SSD in a firewall environment

2016-06-21 Thread lists
Tue, 21 Jun 2016 17:47:22 +0300 Gregory Edigarov > well, but why not just settup syslogd to fan logs out to some other server? Best pick for logging (local+remote), maybe not applicable to larger caches (proxies), or other software you may want to add to the gate. Yet, this moves the question of

Re: Long life on SSD in a firewall environment

2016-06-21 Thread trondd
On Tue, June 21, 2016 11:24 am, trondd wrote: > On Sun, June 19, 2016 5:56 am, Sjöholm Per-Olov wrote: >> Hi >> >> Does anyone know if there exist any list of recommendations about how to >> make >> an SSD disk to live as long as possible when using it for firewall >> purpose >> on >> OpenBSD? > >

Re: Long life on SSD in a firewall environment

2016-06-21 Thread lists
Tue, 21 Jun 2016 11:28:43 -0400 "trondd" > On Tue, June 21, 2016 11:24 am, trondd wrote: > > On Sun, June 19, 2016 5:56 am, Sjöholm Per-Olov wrote: > >> Hi > >> > >> Does anyone know if there exist any list of recommendations about how to > >> make > >> an SSD disk to live as long as possible whe

Re: Long life on SSD in a firewall environment

2016-06-21 Thread Eric Furman
On Tue, Jun 21, 2016, at 10:47 AM, Gregory Edigarov wrote: > On 21.06.16 16:55, Kenneth Gober wrote: > > On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 5:56 AM, Sjöholm Per-Olov wrote: > >> Does anyone know if there exist any list of recommendations about how to > > make > >> an SSD disk to live as long as possible when

Re: Long life on SSD in a firewall environment

2016-06-22 Thread Kenneth Gober
On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 10:47 AM, Gregory Edigarov wrote: > well, but why not just settup syslogd to fan logs out to some other server? the reason I don't do that is because the sites where I have such firewalls deployed don't have any other servers. I don't want to ship logs over VPN links beca