On Jan 10, 2008 2:41 AM, bofh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Just curious if you know how Kevin Mitnick was tracked down and captured?
i don't. by tracking his switched off cellular phone?
On 10/01/2008, bofh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Jan 9, 2008 8:45 PM, Ted Unangst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > On 1/9/08, bofh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > Just curious if you know how Kevin Mitnick was tracked down and
> > captured?
> >
> > did the police go to the billing address of
> Cell phone systems keep track of the location of the phone, and they
> can record the information permanently. They can do this even when
> the phone is switched "off", because it still transmits.
>
> That information comes from the Palestine Information Technology
> Association. In Palestine,
On Wed, 9 Jan 2008 19:41:44 -0500, "bofh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> On Jan 8, 2008 2:27 PM, Eric Furman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 23:18:15 -0500, "Richard Stallman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > said:
> > > Yes, that is my view of things. Using the phone could be convenient
On Thu, Jan 10, 2008 at 01:21:04PM +0100, chefren wrote:
>
> Look around, somewhat further than your relatives and friends...
> If it's not programmed well, it's stupid.
Stupidity implies sentience... HAL, you there?
-Toby.
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On 1/10/08 11:10 AM, Otto Moerbeek wrote:
On Thu, Jan 10, 2008 at 10:33:41AM +0100, chefren wrote:
On 1/10/08 1:09 AM, Tobias Weingartner wrote:
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, chefren wrote:
On 1/8/08 11:28 PM, Marco Peereboom wrote:
2. Same NIC without flash/ROM bad
Eh, that's just a m
On Thu, Jan 10, 2008 at 10:33:41AM +0100, chefren wrote:
> On 1/10/08 1:09 AM, Tobias Weingartner wrote:
>> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, chefren wrote:
>>> On 1/8/08 11:28 PM, Marco Peereboom wrote:
>>>
2. Same NIC without flash/ROM bad
>>> Eh, that's just a meaningless pile of transisto
On 1/10/08 1:09 AM, Tobias Weingartner wrote:
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, chefren wrote:
On 1/8/08 11:28 PM, Marco Peereboom wrote:
2. Same NIC without flash/ROM bad
Eh, that's just a meaningless pile of transistors.
Surely you jest? An FPGA is a meaningless pile of transistors?
Weir
On Jan 9, 2008 8:45 PM, Ted Unangst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 1/9/08, bofh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Just curious if you know how Kevin Mitnick was tracked down and
> captured?
>
> did the police go to the billing address of the cell phone he was
> using and paying for?
>
Heh. A sim
On 1/9/08, bofh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Just curious if you know how Kevin Mitnick was tracked down and captured?
did the police go to the billing address of the cell phone he was
using and paying for?
On Jan 8, 2008 2:27 PM, Eric Furman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 23:18:15 -0500, "Richard Stallman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> said:
> > Yes, that is my view of things. Using the phone could be convenient
> > for me. (I think it would be convenient for me.) But it also
> > perpet
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, chefren wrote:
> On 1/8/08 11:28 PM, Marco Peereboom wrote:
>
> > 2. Same NIC without flash/ROM bad
>
> Eh, that's just a meaningless pile of transistors.
Surely you jest? An FPGA is a meaningless pile of transistors?
Weird...
-Toby.
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On 1/8/08 11:28 PM, Marco Peereboom wrote:
2. Same NIC without flash/ROM bad
Eh, that's just a meaningless pile of transistors.
+++chefren
On Tue, Jan 08, 2008 at 02:06:31PM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote:
> So you are basically saying that being a bum is ethical.
>
> I see nothing wrong with it, but recall that "bum" means a person who
> does no useful work. I work most of my waking hours, and the people
> who support me in vari
On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 05:46:37 -0500, "Richard Stallman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
said:
> "You shouldn't use them, because of the software, but also, because
> your cell phone is a tracking device, even when it is turned off,"
> Stallman said. Interestingly, in the minutes before the talk bega
On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 23:18:15 -0500, "Richard Stallman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
said:
> > I don't carry a mobile phone, but I don't see anything wrong in
> > borrowing one from someone to make a call.
>
> So if it is a new model of cell phone and if the owner teaches you
> how
> to
So you are basically saying that being a bum is ethical. In other
words, using others resources that might even be "blood money".
It is ok to use someone else's cell phone but it is not ok to have your
own.
It is ok to use someone else's windows machine but it is not ok to have your
own.
It is
> But it also perpetuates serious problems (totalitarian surveillance,...)
Are you seriously that paranoid? Do you wear a tin foil hat by any
chance? :-)
Cell phone systems keep track of the location of the phone, and they
can record the information permanently. They can do this even
Has anybody thought of this... the ports system is a facility that one
can 'borrow' and use on a OpenBSD system that _is_ used for their own
'convenience'!!! You can just improve it and give back your changes,
and most of the stuff you'll ever do with it has much to deal with
free software anyway -
On Jan 7, 2008 9:48 AM, Richard Stallman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I don't carry a mobile phone, but I don't see anything wrong in
> > borrowing one from someone to make a call.
>
> So if it is a new model of cell phone and if the owner teaches you how
> to use it and make life
Richard Stallman wrote:
> But it also perpetuates serious problems (totalitarian surveillance,...)
Are you seriously that paranoid? Do you wear a tin foil hat by any chance? :-)
Richard Stallman wrote:
> The cases are similar, and my view on the two cases is similar.
So answer this question,
Richard Stallman wrote:
> I see nothing wrong in using someone else's
> Windows machine for a few minutes.
Great!, Now go down to your local public library.. assuming they offer free
Internet access..
Do you're own fucking research!
Helpful resources:
http://en.wikipedia.org/
http://
> I don't carry a mobile phone, but I don't see anything wrong in
> borrowing one from someone to make a call.
So if it is a new model of cell phone and if the owner teaches you how
to use it and make life easy for you will that be
1) Wrong on his part to encourage you to usin
On Jan 6, 2008 4:16 PM, Richard Stallman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "You shouldn't use them, because of the software, but also, because
> your cell phone is a tracking device, even when it is turned off,"
> Stallman said. Interestingly, in the minutes before the talk began,
> Stal
On Jan 6, 2008 11:46 AM, Richard Stallman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>"You shouldn't use them, because of the software, but also, because
>your cell phone is a tracking device, even when it is turned off,"
>Stallman said. Interestingly, in the minutes before the talk began,
>Stallma
"You shouldn't use them, because of the software, but also, because
your cell phone is a tracking device, even when it is turned off,"
Stallman said. Interestingly, in the minutes before the talk began,
Stallman padded up one aisle in his stocking feet talking into what
looked l
In response to off-band inquiries...
On Jan 5, 2008 4:41 PM, Alexander Terekhov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Jan 4, 2008 11:41 PM, Paul de Weerd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [...]
> > I've been working in IT for well over 10 years now. I can promise you
> > that, had I denounced non-free softwa
On Jan 4, 2008 11:41 PM, Paul de Weerd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[...]
> I've been working in IT for well over 10 years now. I can promise you
> that, had I denounced non-free software, I would not have been able to
> pay for my food or my rent/mortgage for the past 10 years.
http://technews.acm.
> When someone asked him how to make a living of IT without using or
> promoting non-free software, his answer was that you don't have to
> work in the IT field to contribute to free software, and he'd prefer see
> a kernel contributor being a taxi driver than administrating Windows
> workstations
On Jan 4, 2008 10:14 PM, L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Todd Alan Smith wrote:
> >> When someone asked him how to make a living of IT without using or
> >> promoting non-free software, his answer was that you don't have to
> >> work in the IT field to contribute to free software, and he'd prefer se
And as a gardener, I'm not sure software will
be my first source of problems.
L, the above quoted text is not mine. You need to be more careful in
the configuration of your replies. I, for one, would appreciate it.
Todd
Sincere apologies..
It was a double > > and your name shoul
Todd Alan Smith wrote:
When someone asked him how to make a living of IT without using or
promoting non-free software, his answer was that you don't have to
work in the IT field to contribute to free software, and he'd prefer see
a kernel contributor being a taxi driver than administrating Window
On Jan 4, 2008 5:47 PM, dermiste <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Jan 4, 2008 11:41 PM, Paul de Weerd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > For some reason, earlier mail on the strawllman-thread did not make it
> > to the list. I'm copying parts of some of these mails inline. Note
> > that both mails were
On Jan 4, 2008 11:41 PM, Paul de Weerd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> For some reason, earlier mail on the strawllman-thread did not make it
> to the list. I'm copying parts of some of these mails inline. Note
> that both mails were CC:'ed to misc@ (so they were intended to end up
> on the list. As s
For some reason, earlier mail on the strawllman-thread did not make it
to the list. I'm copying parts of some of these mails inline. Note
that both mails were CC:'ed to misc@ (so they were intended to end up
on the list. As such, i don't think using them inline here is a
problem)
On Thu, Jan 03, 2
Don't worry. You can ask rms if your behaviour is ethical. He'll set
you straight, and tell you to stop working for those companies and
instead suckle off your McArthur Idiot grant.
> On Jan 4, 2008 9:48 AM, Ioan Nemes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > You confusing the issue! The software market
On Jan 4, 2008 9:48 AM, Ioan Nemes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You confusing the issue! The software market - where you sell your product
> (i.e., software) is unethical,
> distorted and manipulated, and not by the ethical software crafters!
Why is the software market unethical? Because there ar
On 3-Jan-08, at 8:48 PM, Ioan Nemes wrote:
Ask yourself this question. Do you really believe that someone who
sells a product which was developed within the lawful frame work is
unethical?
You confusing the issue! The software market - where you sell your
product
(i.e., software) is uneth
On Fri, Jan 04, 2008 at 12:48:57PM +1100, Ioan Nemes wrote:
> > Ask yourself this question. Do you really believe that someone who
> > sells a product which was developed within the lawful frame work is
> > unethical?
>
> You confusing the issue! The software market - where you sell your product
> Ask yourself this question. Do you really believe that someone who
> sells a product which was developed within the lawful frame work is
> unethical?
You confusing the issue! The software market - where you sell your product
(i.e., software) is unethical,
distorted and manipulated, and not by
Good for google!
They hire themselves into fame and therefore look "good" in the process.
If the individual thinks that the money is worth it for him/her we have
a transaction. Nowhere do I see any ethical questions. Google is in it
for the money and someone needs to pay a mortgage. End of tran
On Jan 3, 2008, at 3:42 PM, Ted Unangst wrote:
On 1/3/08, Jack J. Woehr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I'd like to ask the community what they think: Is the hiring of open
source star coders in expectation of
ancillary benefit from their influence in Open Source projects a
win-win
form of "votin
On 1/3/08, Jack J. Woehr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'd like to ask the community what they think: Is the hiring of open
> source star coders in expectation of
> ancillary benefit from their influence in Open Source projects a win-win
> form of "voting with your
> feet" or is it an ethical confli
On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 09:44:00AM -0700, Jack J. Woehr wrote:
> A professional peer of mine wrote the following article:
>
> http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/23417
>
> which contains the following paragraph:
>
>Google's hired great open source developers from projects like
>Li
A professional peer of mine wrote the following article:
http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/23417
which contains the following paragraph:
Google's hired great open source developers from projects like
Linux, Firefox, Samba and Apache.
They all still have ties back into those pr
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