Re: Source Overview

2010-04-25 Thread Adam M. Dutko
I've started the list at http://openbsdsupport.org/todo and have taken what was posted during our conversation(s) on that list. I will look for others and will be happy to post links given to me for others. Thank you for the account Daniel.

Re: Source Overview

2010-04-25 Thread Daniel Ouellet
On 4/25/10 6:24 PM, Daniel Ouellet wrote: Sorry for the delay here. Just very limited time on my side. Obviously this was a mistake on my part and shoud;n't have been sent to misc@ The account is deleted now. Don't even try. Really, no point in trying to access it. User near Stuttgart, Bad

Re: Source Overview

2010-04-25 Thread Daniel Ouellet
Sorry for the delay here. Just very limited time on my side. Obviously this was a mistake on my part and shoud;n't have been sent to misc@ The account is deleted now. Don't even try. Lack of sleep does crazy thing at time! (;> No need to say how stupid that was of me!

Re: Source Overview

2010-04-25 Thread Daniel Ouellet
On 4/21/10 8:47 PM, Adam M. Dutko wrote: You are not the only one with limited time. Sorry for the late reply, but also I wanted to provide details as to why. I realize. Hi Adam, Sorry for the delay here. Just very limited time on my side. Anyway, here is the credential to access the todo

Re: Source Overview

2010-04-22 Thread Daniel Ouellet
Neither are you, so why does that matter? Never said on imply I was. If you got a different feeling, my deepest apology to you Claudio! Best, Daniel

Re: Source Overview

2010-04-22 Thread Chris Bennett
On 04/22/10 06:44, Owain Ainsworth wrote: On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 01:40:42PM +0200, Claudio Jeker wrote: In the end all that matters is that someone gets up from his comfy couch, hacks something up and sends a diff around and the only way that is going to happen is because of egoistical reasons.

Re: Source Overview

2010-04-22 Thread Lars Nooden
On 4/22/10 2:44 PM, Owain Ainsworth wrote: On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 01:40:42PM +0200, Claudio Jeker wrote: In the end all that matters is that someone gets up from his comfy couch, hacks something up and sends a diff around and the only way that is going to happen is because of egoistical reasons

Re: Source Overview

2010-04-22 Thread Owain Ainsworth
On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 01:40:42PM +0200, Claudio Jeker wrote: > In the end all that matters is that someone gets up from his comfy couch, > hacks something up and sends a diff around and the only way that is going > to happen is because of egoistical reasons. Nobody will move a finger > unless the

Re: Source Overview

2010-04-22 Thread Claudio Jeker
On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 07:14:31AM -0400, Daniel Ouellet wrote: > On 4/22/10 2:05 AM, Pete Vickers wrote: > >In keeping with your 'lets get something up on there to point the whiners > >at', > >how about adding this: > > > >* Add support for RFC5837 to OpenBSD's IP stack. > > > >This could be suit

Re: Source Overview

2010-04-22 Thread Daniel Ouellet
On 4/22/10 2:05 AM, Pete Vickers wrote: In keeping with your 'lets get something up on there to point the whiners at', how about adding this: * Add support for RFC5837 to OpenBSD's IP stack. This could be suitable task since it presumably has 'cool factor'& is an easily definable task, and is

Re: Source Overview

2010-04-21 Thread Pete Vickers
In keeping with your 'lets get something up on there to point the whiners at', how about adding this: * Add support for RFC5837 to OpenBSD's IP stack. This could be suitable task since it presumably has 'cool factor' & is an easily definable task, and is not trivial to write. /Pete On 22. a

Re: Source Overview

2010-04-21 Thread Adam M. Dutko
> You are not the only one with limited time. Sorry for the late reply, but > also I wanted to provide details as to why. > > I realize. > > The short of it is that in it if you look at it. It add more work to the > developers by asking them to send in stuff. They already have it done for > some.

Re: Source Overview

2010-04-21 Thread Daniel Ouellet
I simply requested the account on that persons system because I offered to help maintain the task list. I've not been contacted so I assume they're not interested. You are not the only one with limited time. Sorry for the late reply, but also I wanted to provide details as to why. Your text

Re: Source Overview

2010-04-21 Thread Adam M. Dutko
If you have to know why I didn't send a patch yet, it's because I'm working on a patch for an Atheros chip at the moment. That's also why I didn't do much with Ted's stuff and other things since yesterday. I did read the e-mails. I figured one could partake in the community when their schedule p

Re: Source Overview

2010-04-21 Thread Simon Perreault
On 2010-04-21 14:35, Theo de Raadt wrote: They mailed diffs. Not requests for tasks. If you request a task, it means you have no itch to scratch. You're just looking for an excuse to program. And it's often not enough motivation.

Re: Source Overview

2010-04-21 Thread Darrin Chandler
On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 12:12:08PM -0600, Theo de Raadt wrote: > > To beat a dead horse a little deader and make one final attempt to > > help, I'll add a few remarks about a diff I committed last night. The > > diff had previously been posted to tech. > > > > On the learning front, the first que

Re: Source Overview

2010-04-21 Thread Theo de Raadt
> > I concur. In summary, everyone offering help is lying; fact is they > > are unwilling to get off the couch. > > I appreciate the sentiment, but this isn't true. How many new developers > have been added over the past few of years? How many patches have been > taken from non-comitters? Never e

Re: Source Overview

2010-04-21 Thread Theo de Raadt
> To beat a dead horse a little deader and make one final attempt to > help, I'll add a few remarks about a diff I committed last night. The > diff had previously been posted to tech. > > On the learning front, the first question to ask might be "Why does > removing proc.h from uvm_map.h cause an

Re: Source Overview

2010-04-21 Thread Ted Unangst
To beat a dead horse a little deader and make one final attempt to help, I'll add a few remarks about a diff I committed last night. The diff had previously been posted to tech. On the learning front, the first question to ask might be "Why does removing proc.h from uvm_map.h cause an error in sy

Re: Source Overview

2010-04-21 Thread Adam M. Dutko
I've taken the "shut up and hack" as an answer and started working on testing a potential patch for an atheros problem with Luis. If you provide me an account and if everyone is OK sending me minimally formatted TODO lists I will gladly be the point of contact and maintain that list. What qualifi

Re: Source Overview

2010-04-21 Thread Alexandre Ratchov
On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 03:02:17PM -0300, Christiano F. Haesbaert wrote: > > I also know he (as every developer) is busy with more important > things, so "publishing" these small tasks would also give the > developers more time to focus on the big/important issues. > If a task is on my todo list

Re: Source Overview

2010-04-20 Thread Artur Grabowski
On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 9:41 PM, Chris Bennett wrote: > Looking at this and Peters message, I think there may be an answer much > simpler than a TODO list, which I think will never work out. If developers > wanted a TODO list, we would already have one. "We" do. Multiple. Mine's not very up to d

Re: Source Overview

2010-04-20 Thread Daniel Ouellet
Please read as this is your challenge back should you actually step up to it with the usual line "shut up and hack" type of answer. This tread now spread on tech@ too and include may be 3 or 4 treads all referring to todo lists, janitor and all. I don't find it interesting anymore and plenty

Re: Source Overview

2010-04-20 Thread Marco Peereboom
On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 01:06:32PM +0100, Peter Kay (Syllopsium) wrote: >> From: "J.C. Roberts" >> The developers *CONSTANTLY* *ASK* *FOR* *YOUR* *HELP* with testing, but >> this "dull and heavy" work is somehow below most people who just talk >> about wanting to become developers and are looking

Re: Source Overview

2010-04-20 Thread Christiano F. Haesbaert
After reading your replies and the thread Ted mailed, My assumptions were indeed wrong, I've naively believed people would send diffs if such thing(the list) existed, the thread and your replies proved me wrong. I guess I thought that mainly because it worked for me on some level in the past (I s

Re: Source Overview

2010-04-20 Thread Adam M. Dutko
> Looking at this and Peters message, I think there may be an answer much >> simpler than a TODO list, which I think will never work out. If developers >> wanted a TODO list, we would already have one. > > > Good point. .. Perhaps the useful emails that have suitable TODO items could simply

Re: Source Overview

2010-04-20 Thread Chris Bennett
On 04/20/10 06:38, Jacob Meuser wrote: On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 12:21:43AM -0700, J.C. Roberts wrote: On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 11:58:02 +0800 Artur Grabowski wrote: On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 2:02 AM, Christiano F. Haesbaert wrote: I also know he (as every developer) is busy with more important thi

Re: Source Overview

2010-04-20 Thread Peter Kay (Syllopsium)
From: "J.C. Roberts" The developers *CONSTANTLY* *ASK* *FOR* *YOUR* *HELP* with testing, but this "dull and heavy" work is somehow below most people who just talk about wanting to become developers and are looking for shortcuts to becoming one. Since validity is critical, if you cannot test prop

Re: Source Overview

2010-04-20 Thread Jacob Meuser
On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 12:21:43AM -0700, J.C. Roberts wrote: > On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 11:58:02 +0800 Artur Grabowski > wrote: > > > On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 2:02 AM, Christiano F. Haesbaert > > wrote: > > > > > I also know he (as every developer) is busy with more important > > > things, so "publi

Re: Source Overview

2010-04-20 Thread Lars Nooden
On Tue, 20 Apr 2010, J.C. Roberts wrote: The developers *CONSTANTLY* *ASK* *FOR* *YOUR* *HELP* with testing, ... Since validity is critical, if you cannot test properly and hopefully help in the debugging, then you'll never be any good at writing code... That's a very clean way of getting intr

Re: Source Overview

2010-04-20 Thread Nicholas Marriott
I have a large public todo list for tmux (it is even distributed in the portable tarball), and I don't actually mind helping people, so long as they make some effort. Even so I get very very few contributions for todo list items, most stuff I get is from people who specifically want a feature or hi

Re: Source Overview

2010-04-20 Thread J.C. Roberts
On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 11:58:02 +0800 Artur Grabowski wrote: > On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 2:02 AM, Christiano F. Haesbaert > wrote: > > > I also know he (as every developer) is busy with more important > > things, so "publishing" these small tasks would also give the > > developers more time to focus

Re: Source Overview

2010-04-19 Thread Artur Grabowski
On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 2:02 AM, Christiano F. Haesbaert wrote: > I also know he (as every developer) is busy with more important > things, so "publishing" these small tasks would also give the > developers more time to focus on the big/important issues. There are a bunch of assumptions here tha

Re: Source Overview

2010-04-19 Thread Chris Bennett
On 04/19/10 13:02, Christiano F. Haesbaert wrote: I know this has been discussed before, yet I call for your attention. This post seems like a genuine attempt on getting pointers on starting hacking in OpenBsd. I remember doing the same a while ago. How about having a very simple per-developer(

Re: Source Overview

2010-04-19 Thread Adam M. Dutko
I read that thread and will now "shut up and 'attempt to' hack." Thanks. On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 2:42 PM, Ted Unangst wrote: > On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 2:02 PM, Christiano F. Haesbaert > wrote: > > I know this has been discussed before, yet I call for your attention. > > > > This post seems lik

Re: Source Overview

2010-04-19 Thread Marco Peereboom
I have published acpi and softraid todos and got 0 response. It doesn't work. On Apr 19, 2010, at 1:02 PM, "Christiano F. Haesbaert" > wrote: I know this has been discussed before, yet I call for your attention. This post seems like a genuine attempt on getting pointers on starting hacking

Re: Source Overview

2010-04-19 Thread Ted Unangst
On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 2:02 PM, Christiano F. Haesbaert wrote: > I know this has been discussed before, yet I call for your attention. > > This post seems like a genuine attempt on getting pointers on starting > hacking in OpenBsd. I remember doing the same a while ago. > > How about having a ver

Re: Source Overview

2010-04-19 Thread Adam M. Dutko
On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 2:02 PM, Christiano F. Haesbaert < haesba...@haesbaert.org> wrote: > I know this has been discussed before, yet I call for your attention. > > This post seems like a genuine attempt on getting pointers on starting > hacking in OpenBsd. I remember doing the same a while ago.

Re: Source Overview

2010-04-19 Thread Christiano F. Haesbaert
I know this has been discussed before, yet I call for your attention. This post seems like a genuine attempt on getting pointers on starting hacking in OpenBsd. I remember doing the same a while ago. How about having a very simple per-developer(or project) wish-list/todo-list ? I guess this woul