Re: removing sendmail

2007-12-03 Thread Hannah Schroeter
Hi! On Mon, Dec 03, 2007 at 11:28:32AM +0530, Amarendra Godbole wrote: [...] As a second note, postfix as a standalone entity may be secure, but I am not sure how secure it will be if it starts interacting with some other piece of software. Also, from the top of my head I can say that postfix's

Re: removing sendmail

2007-12-03 Thread Liviu Daia
On 3 December 2007, Amarendra Godbole [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 30, 2007 4:32 PM, Liviu Daia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 30 November 2007, Amarendra Godbole [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please note that postfix does not undergo the rigorous code scrub that sendmail goes through.

Re: removing sendmail

2007-12-02 Thread Anthony Roberts
I have seen several installations of Postfix go catatonic due to spam overload, large messages, mailing list expansions, and other undiagnosed problems. These were run by Postfix lovers, so I have always assumed that the installation was correct. In the one case I saw tested replacing Postfix

Re: removing sendmail

2007-12-02 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Sun, Dec 02, 2007 at 12:56:11PM -0700, Anthony Roberts wrote: I have seen several installations of Postfix go catatonic due to spam overload, large messages, mailing list expansions, and other undiagnosed problems. These were run by Postfix lovers, so I have always assumed that the

Re: removing sendmail

2007-12-02 Thread Darren Spruell
On Dec 2, 2007 2:21 PM, Douglas A. Tutty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Dec 02, 2007 at 12:56:11PM -0700, Anthony Roberts wrote: I have seen several installations of Postfix go catatonic due to spam overload, large messages, mailing list expansions, and other undiagnosed problems.

Re: removing sendmail

2007-12-02 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Sun, Dec 02, 2007 at 03:48:14PM -0700, Darren Spruell wrote: On Dec 2, 2007 2:21 PM, Douglas A. Tutty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Dec 02, 2007 at 12:56:11PM -0700, Anthony Roberts wrote: I have seen several installations of Postfix go catatonic due to spam overload, large

Re: removing sendmail

2007-12-02 Thread RW
On Sun, 2 Dec 2007 20:48:42 -0500, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: On Sun, Dec 02, 2007 at 03:48:14PM -0700, Darren Spruell wrote: On Dec 2, 2007 2:21 PM, Douglas A. Tutty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Dec 02, 2007 at 12:56:11PM -0700, Anthony Roberts wrote: I have seen several installations of

Re: removing sendmail

2007-12-02 Thread Damien Miller
On Sun, 2 Dec 2007, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: Why is everyone trying to come up with a solution to a problem that doesn't exist? The 'problem' is a piece of software installed on the box that some of us don't use. It takes up space (how much?). Each MTA has its champions and its

Re: removing sendmail

2007-12-02 Thread Girish Venkatachalam
On 13:31:27 Dec 03, RW wrote: Forget it. No, I'm not ordering you to. It's a tip. Given that the developers are ignoring this thread, my guess is that nothing is going to happen. It's all been said before. Not true. They just don't have the time. BTW I run or admin several mailservers. I

Re: removing sendmail

2007-12-02 Thread Amarendra Godbole
On Nov 30, 2007 4:32 PM, Liviu Daia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 30 November 2007, Amarendra Godbole [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please note that postfix does not undergo the rigorous code scrub that sendmail goes through. [...] Will you please cut the crap? Thank you. Unlike

Re: removing sendmail

2007-12-01 Thread Uwe Dippel
On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 10:49:48 -0500, Steve Shockley wrote: It looks like that went away with the death of DEINSTALL. I don't use it though so I didn't test it. No, in 4.2 it still needs us to not forget this. Not a big deal overall, but still something that could be improved on. Uwe

Re: removing sendmail

2007-12-01 Thread Antti Harri
On Sat, 1 Dec 2007, Uwe Dippel wrote: On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 10:49:48 -0500, Steve Shockley wrote: It looks like that went away with the death of DEINSTALL. I don't use it though so I didn't test it. No, in 4.2 it still needs us to not forget this. Not a big deal overall, but still something

Re: removing sendmail

2007-12-01 Thread Uwe Dippel
Antti Harri wrote: On Sat, 1 Dec 2007, Uwe Dippel wrote: On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 10:49:48 -0500, Steve Shockley wrote: It looks like that went away with the death of DEINSTALL. I don't use it though so I didn't test it. No, in 4.2 it still needs us to not forget this. Not a big deal overall,

Re: removing sendmail

2007-11-30 Thread Daniel Ouellet
Please note that postfix does not undergo the rigorous code scrub that sendmail goes through. [...] Will you please cut the crap? Thank you. Unlike Sendmail, Postfix was written from scratch with security in mind. It had only one published security flaw since its first public release

Re: removing sendmail

2007-11-30 Thread Liviu Daia
On 30 November 2007, Geoff Steckel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Liviu Daia wrote: On 30 November 2007, Amarendra Godbole [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please note that postfix does not undergo the rigorous code scrub that sendmail goes through. [...] Will you please cut the crap? Thank

Re: removing sendmail

2007-11-30 Thread Geoff Steckel
Liviu Daia wrote: On 30 November 2007, Amarendra Godbole [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please note that postfix does not undergo the rigorous code scrub that sendmail goes through. [...] Will you please cut the crap? Thank you. Unlike Sendmail, Postfix was written from scratch with

Re: removing sendmail

2007-11-30 Thread Nico Meijer
Hi Antti, Except that when doing package upgrade with pkg_add the sendmail configuration (in mailer.conf) will be restored and it won't be re-enabled until manually doing postfix-enable. You have a point there. To me, however, this falls under the 'no magic' clause. I try to use as many

Re: removing sendmail

2007-11-30 Thread Steve Shockley
Antti Harri wrote: Except that when doing package upgrade with pkg_add the sendmail configuration (in mailer.conf) will be restored and it won't be re-enabled until manually doing postfix-enable. At least it used to be like that, correct me if the pkgtools has the needed features nowadays to

Re: removing sendmail

2007-11-30 Thread Liviu Daia
On 30 November 2007, Amarendra Godbole [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please note that postfix does not undergo the rigorous code scrub that sendmail goes through. [...] Will you please cut the crap? Thank you. Unlike Sendmail, Postfix was written from scratch with security in mind. It had

Re: removing sendmail

2007-11-30 Thread Amarendra Godbole
On Nov 30, 2007 8:30 AM, Juan Miscaro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I would like to do away with sendmail as much as possible. I prefer postfix. Now I know that the sendmail binary is entwined with the system's internals but is there any way to completely get rid of it? I see that some

Re: removing sendmail

2007-11-30 Thread Nico Meijer
Hi Juan, Am I making any sense? Not to me. But it depends on your situation. Should I do anything special to sendmail when I install postfix? No. Just follow the instructions after installing postfix. And what of the postfix-enable command? Is this good enough? Almost. Apply the

Re: removing sendmail

2007-11-30 Thread Antti Harri
On Fri, 30 Nov 2007, Nico Meijer wrote: And what of the postfix-enable command? Is this good enough? Almost. Apply the changes to rc.conf.local and root's crontab and you're good to go. Any upgrade can then be like any other regular upgrade; nothing to worry about. No magic. Except that

removing sendmail

2007-11-29 Thread Juan Miscaro
Hi, I would like to do away with sendmail as much as possible. I prefer postfix. Now I know that the sendmail binary is entwined with the system's internals but is there any way to completely get rid of it? I see that some people remove the binary and turn it off in rc.conf. Am I making any

Re: removing sendmail

2007-11-29 Thread Stefan Dengscherz
Also, don't forget to disable sendmail completely after enabling postfix. sendmail_flags=NO in /etc/rc.conf.local and removing the sendmail entry from root's crontab should do the job (plus stopping existing sendmail processes). 2007/11/30, Josh [EMAIL PROTECTED]: From memory after you install

Re: removing sendmail

2007-11-29 Thread Steve Shockley
Juan Miscaro wrote: Hi, I would like to do away with sendmail as much as possible. I prefer postfix. Now I know that the sendmail binary is entwined with the system's internals but is there any way to completely get rid of it? Yes, but you don't want to. Recompile using skipdir and do a

Re: removing sendmail

2007-11-29 Thread Yuri Spirin
in rc.conf. Am I making any sense? Should I do anything special to sendmail when I install postfix? And what of the postfix-enable command? Is this good enough? Hello, Juan. Have a look here: http://www.flakshack.com/anti-spam/wiki/index.php at the chapter Removing sendmail and later Installing

Re: removing sendmail

2007-11-29 Thread Antti Harri
On Fri, 30 Nov 2007, Stefan Dengscherz wrote: Also, don't forget to disable sendmail completely after enabling postfix. sendmail_flags=NO in /etc/rc.conf.local and removing the sendmail entry from root's crontab should do the job (plus stopping existing sendmail processes). Postfix uses the

Re: removing sendmail

2007-11-29 Thread Josh
From memory after you install the postfix package, it tells you what to do to run postfix instead of sendmail. Sendmail binarys will still exist, but only postfix will be used, even for when a sendmail command is issued, due to mailer.conf I think it is. Juan Miscaro wrote: Hi, I would