Re: 4.1 on ALIX.1C - recommendations?

2007-09-22 Thread RW
On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 23:48:11 -0500, Aaron wrote: ... SNIP Is anyone using solid state drives yet? CF is effectively IDE. Witness (a firewall here): # disklabel wd0 # Inside MBR partition 3: type A6 start 63 size 1000881 # /dev/rwd0c: type: ESDI disk: ESDI/IDE disk label: SanDisk

OpenBSD Talk at Open Source Conference 2007 Tokyo/Fall

2007-09-22 Thread Tomoyuki Sakurai
Hi all, At Open Source Conference 2007 Tokyo/Fall, I'll give an introductory talk about OpenBSD (in Japanese). The talk will be aimed at sysadmins who know the name but haven't used OpenBSD yet. It would be nice to have a chat with OpenBSD users in Japan after the talk. If you happen to be in

Re: OpenBSD firewalls as virtual machine ?

2007-09-22 Thread Henning Brauer
* Luca Corti [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-09-21 18:34]: On Fri, 2007-09-21 at 10:52 -0400, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: I don't understand the logic of having multiple firewalls on one box. If one box can handle the throughput requirements of all the NICs, why not just one big firewall?

ioapic with single core kernel?

2007-09-22 Thread Dag Leine
Hi, I was playing around a long time to get CardBus and sound working on my JVC MP-XP741. I've found, that the GENERIC.MP kernel support both if enableing acpi. To my poor mind, it seems that ioapic is needed, but simply adding it to the GENERIG confiuration file doesn't work. Since sysctl -

umts cell phone as modem

2007-09-22 Thread Dag Leine
Hi, I'm trying to use the SAMSUNG SHG-L760 over usb as modem. OpenBSD recognise it as umodem0 (dmesg attached) and assigns ucom0. First of all I want to have a 'AT OK' sequence. I've tryed echo and cat as well as a small perl script sending 'AT\r\n' to /dev/cuaU0 and read from it. While sending

Re: umts cell phone as modem

2007-09-22 Thread Paul de Weerd
On Sat, Sep 22, 2007 at 04:37:11PM +0200, Dag Leine wrote: | Hi, | | I'm trying to use the SAMSUNG SHG-L760 over usb as modem. | OpenBSD recognise it as umodem0 (dmesg attached) and assigns ucom0. | | First of all I want to have a 'AT OK' sequence. I've tryed echo and cat | as well as a small perl

Re: OpenBSD firewalls as virtual machine ?

2007-09-22 Thread Nick Holland
Douglas A. Tutty wrote: ... Hi Nick. I understand your reasons. To me they look like reasons for separate firewalls on separate boxes. In the scenarios you mention, would you put separate firewalls on one machine? That's where you are supposed to 1) recognize that my mysteriously

Does OpenBSD support Hebrew?

2007-09-22 Thread Amit Finkler
Dear subscribers/moderators, Does OpenBSD fully support Hebrew? If indeed it does, how does one make applications in X/KDE properly see/present Hebrew letters and filenames? I have already added the following two lines to my .profile: export LC_CTYPE=he_IL.UTF-8 export LC_COLLATE=he_IL.UTF-8

OBSD's perspective on SELinux

2007-09-22 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
Hello all, I'm running OBSD on my older boxes but still Debian on my big box (not ready yet). Linux has SELinux in its 2.6 kernel and debian has gone ahead and compiled SELinux into the libraries, although the SELinux policies aren't ready on debian yet. The whole focus seems to be to make

Re: OpenBSD firewalls as virtual machine ?

2007-09-22 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Sat, Sep 22, 2007 at 10:53:05AM -0400, Nick Holland wrote: Douglas A. Tutty wrote: ... Hi Nick. I understand your reasons. To me they look like reasons for separate firewalls on separate boxes. In the scenarios you mention, would you put separate firewalls on one machine?

Re: OBSD's perspective on SELinux

2007-09-22 Thread Darrin Chandler
On Sat, Sep 22, 2007 at 11:34:33AM -0400, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: Linux has SELinux in its 2.6 kernel and debian has gone ahead and compiled SELinux into the libraries, although the SELinux policies aren't ready on debian yet. The whole focus seems to be to make Linux more secure. I'm not

Re: OBSD's perspective on SELinux

2007-09-22 Thread Jason Dixon
On Sep 22, 2007, at 12:00 PM, Darrin Chandler wrote: On Sat, Sep 22, 2007 at 11:34:33AM -0400, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: Linux has SELinux in its 2.6 kernel and debian has gone ahead and compiled SELinux into the libraries, although the SELinux policies aren't ready on debian yet. The whole

Re: Does OpenBSD support Hebrew?

2007-09-22 Thread Jussi Peltola
Filenames in foreign languages can sometimes be a little problematic, because Unix doesn't really have any standard on how to store them on disk - filenames are just byte arrays. Because a machine may have users with different locales this can make sharing files very difficult, so the desktop

Re: OBSD's perspective on SELinux

2007-09-22 Thread Jeffrey 'jf' Lim
On 9/23/07, Jason Dixon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 22, 2007, at 12:00 PM, Darrin Chandler wrote: On Sat, Sep 22, 2007 at 11:34:33AM -0400, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: Linux has SELinux in its 2.6 kernel and debian has gone ahead and compiled SELinux into the libraries, although the

Re: OBSD's perspective on SELinux

2007-09-22 Thread Joachim Schipper
On Sat, Sep 22, 2007 at 11:34:33AM -0400, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: Hello all, I'm running OBSD on my older boxes but still Debian on my big box (not ready yet). Linux has SELinux in its 2.6 kernel and debian has gone ahead and compiled SELinux into the libraries, although the SELinux

Re: OBSD's perspective on SELinux

2007-09-22 Thread Ihar Hrachyshka
2007/9/22, Joachim Schipper [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The OpenBSD developers are trying to make the most secure UNIX system they can; SELinux might or might not be secure, but it's not UNIX. What part of SELinux is NOT Unix? Remember that all traditional Unix rwx permissions are still there.

Re: OBSD's perspective on SELinux

2007-09-22 Thread Eduardo Tongson
Hi, You might be talking about grsecurity and PaX [1]. SELinux hooks through the LSM [2] framework. LSM was designed to be easily enabled and disabled, so that should be a fundamental flaw. LSM has valid criticisms [3] [4]. [1] http://grsecurity.net [2]

Re: OBSD's perspective on SELinux

2007-09-22 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Sat, Sep 22, 2007 at 12:20:34PM -0400, Jason Dixon wrote: On Sep 22, 2007, at 12:00 PM, Darrin Chandler wrote: On Sat, Sep 22, 2007 at 11:34:33AM -0400, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: Linux has SELinux in its 2.6 kernel and debian has gone ahead and compiled SELinux into the libraries, although

Re: OBSD's perspective on SELinux

2007-09-22 Thread Ihar Hrachyshka
2007/9/22, Douglas A. Tutty [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Sat, Sep 22, 2007 at 12:20:34PM -0400, Jason Dixon wrote: On Sep 22, 2007, at 12:00 PM, Darrin Chandler wrote: On Sat, Sep 22, 2007 at 11:34:33AM -0400, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: Linux has SELinux in its 2.6 kernel and debian has gone ahead

Re: OBSD's perspective on SELinux

2007-09-22 Thread Jason Dixon
On Sep 22, 2007, at 12:28 PM, Ihar Hrachyshka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2007/9/22, Jason Dixon [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Sep 22, 2007, at 12:00 PM, Darrin Chandler wrote: On Sat, Sep 22, 2007 at 11:34:33AM -0400, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: Linux has SELinux in its 2.6 kernel and debian has gone

Re: OBSD's perspective on SELinux

2007-09-22 Thread Eduardo Tongson
SELinux has clearly defined security mechanisms implemented through different components. It is doing what it was designed for. The real problem with SELinux is the way it hooks to the Linux kernel. The inaccurate marketing of this tool doesn't help too, unsuspecting users are blindly using it as

Re: : : OpenBSD Install Goal

2007-09-22 Thread Steve Shockley
Douglas A. Tutty wrote: 1) there are no multiple consoles on the install kernel. Ouch! How big a deal would it be to do that? Very, if the installer will still fit on a floppy. Would it be difficult to provide on the CD and perhaps a tarball on FTP a directory structure that would allow

Re: OBSD's perspective on SELinux

2007-09-22 Thread Ted Unangst
On 9/22/07, Douglas A. Tutty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Linux has SELinux in its 2.6 kernel and debian has gone ahead and compiled SELinux into the libraries, although the SELinux policies aren't ready on debian yet. rhetorical question: why aren't the policies ready? the problem with security

Re: Does OpenBSD support Hebrew?

2007-09-22 Thread Amit Finkler
On 9/22/07, Jussi Peltola [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Filenames in foreign languages can sometimes be a little problematic, because Unix doesn't really have any standard on how to store them on disk - filenames are just byte arrays. Because a machine may have users with different locales this can

Re: lock(1) to lock all virtual terminals?

2007-09-22 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Sat, Sep 22, 2007 at 06:08:53PM +0200, Joachim Schipper wrote: On Fri, Sep 21, 2007 at 12:46:40PM -0400, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: I don't use X much and instead use lots of Virtual Terminals. Since I'm on dialup, sometimes I need to leave multiple VTs open to do things, perhaps

Re: OBSD's perspective on SELinux

2007-09-22 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2007/09/22 11:50, Ted Unangst wrote: exercise for the reader: find somebody using SELinux. From what I've seen, 9 times/10, they'll only know they're using it if they had to disable it to fix an app with a broken policy...

Re: 1440x900 resolution problem

2007-09-22 Thread Matthieu Herrb
On 9/21/07, Marius ROMAN [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Like Darrin suggested try matching Modelines and Modes : On xorg.conf Enable only this (comment the rest of the modellines) : Modeline 1680x1050_60.00 147.14 1680 1784 1968 2256 1050 1051 1054 1087 -HSync +Vsync Modify the screen

Re: OBSD's perspective on SELinux

2007-09-22 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Sat, Sep 22, 2007 at 11:50:08AM -0700, Ted Unangst wrote: On 9/22/07, Douglas A. Tutty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Linux has SELinux in its 2.6 kernel and debian has gone ahead and compiled SELinux into the libraries, although the SELinux policies aren't ready on debian yet. rhetorical

Re: OBSD's perspective on SELinux

2007-09-22 Thread Joachim Schipper
On Sat, Sep 22, 2007 at 07:45:57PM +0300, Ihar Hrachyshka wrote: 2007/9/22, Joachim Schipper [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The OpenBSD developers are trying to make the most secure UNIX system they can; SELinux might or might not be secure, but it's not UNIX. What part of SELinux is NOT Unix? Remember

Re: OpenBSD firewalls as virtual machine ?

2007-09-22 Thread ttw+bsd
On 22.09-02:06, Luca Corti wrote: [ ... ] We are talking about OpenBSD here, and support for VRF is not there. That may change faster then you expect These are great news. If the implementation will allow to assign interfaces to different VRFs it would solve the virtual router/firewall

Re: OBSD's perspective on SELinux

2007-09-22 Thread ttw+bsd
On 22.09-16:21, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: [ ... ] exercise for the reader: find somebody using SELinux. ask them to describe their policy over the phone. then repeat it back to them. did you get it right? [ ... ] In other words, since debian packages, by policy, must just work on

Re: OpenBSD firewalls as virtual machine ?

2007-09-22 Thread Luca Corti
On Sat, 2007-09-22 at 22:50 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i have a feeling that the funds currently available for your virtualisation project would improve the quality and delivery of these requirements. If I had such project and funds I'd certainly contribute. In the meantime I have assigned

Re: OpenBSD firewalls as virtual machine ?

2007-09-22 Thread Darren Spruell
On 9/20/07, Nick Holland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Read this: http://advosys.ca/viewpoints/2007/04/fuzzing-virtual-machines/ Read the paper linked there as well. Always good to go back to original source material. Anyone who told you VM technology and security had anything to do with each

Re: OBSD's perspective on SELinux

2007-09-22 Thread L. V. Lammert
On Sat, 22 Sep 2007, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: Hello all, I'm running OBSD on my older boxes but still Debian on my big box (not ready yet). Linux has SELinux in its 2.6 kernel and debian has gone ahead and compiled SELinux into the libraries, although the SELinux policies aren't ready on

Re: WG: Re: isakmp phase 2 negotiation failed

2007-09-22 Thread n0g0013
On 21.09-16:47, Christoph Leser wrote: [ ... ] [low-crypto-quick] DOI=IPSEC EXCHANGE_TYPE= QUICK_MODE Transforms= QM-ESP-DES-MD5-SUITE [ ... ] Maybe there is a problem with your isakmpd.conf: [ ... ] IPsec-configuration names Suites

Instant Messenger (CLI-based multi-protocol)

2007-09-22 Thread Sean Darby
Hi, I have been wanting to switch from a GUI meta-type chat (uses Yahoo, AIM, etc.) to terminal/CLI-based. I came across centericq (apparently it works with multiple protocols) though when trying to install it I get... $ sudo make === centericq-4.9.11p0 is marked as broken: requires update but

Instant Messenger (CLI-based multi-protocol)

2007-09-22 Thread Sean Darby
I'm not sure if my message (below) went through, it didn't seem to post. Attempting again. Sorry if duplicated. Subject: Instant Messenger (CLI-based multi-protocol) Hi, I have been wanting to switch from a GUI meta-type chat (uses Yahoo, AIM, etc.) to terminal/CLI-based. I came across

How to upgrade libstdc++ to 4.2 ?

2007-09-22 Thread Etienne Robillard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Greetings, Is there a way for building libstdc++ and friends without having to do a ``make build'' in /usr/src ? I've managed to upgrade gcc to 3.3.5, but I get the following issue when compiling a fresh kernel from today's head branch:

Re: Instant Messenger (CLI-based multi-protocol)

2007-09-22 Thread David T Harris
I know you're not asking about this, but naim http://naim.n.ml.org is an excellent console-based AIM, IRC, and ICQ client. Plus it supports being in multiple chat rooms on IRC in a very intuitive manner.

Re: Instant Messenger (CLI-based multi-protocol)

2007-09-22 Thread Etienne Robillard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Sean, While thinking about your post, you could most likely install an alternative icq client by either looking on some websites, or perhaps by taking a peek at the FreeBSD ports collection (in the ``net-im ''category). As an alternative, maybe

Re: OpenBSD firewalls as virtual machine ?

2007-09-22 Thread Eduardo Tongson
Check out the HP c-Class BladeSystems offerings. It is sad that HP is marketing it with virtualization via Vmware. Just disregard the vmware affair. On 9/21/07, Josh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello there. We have a bunch of obsd firewalls, 8 at the moment, all working nice and so forth. But we

Re: OBSD's perspective on SELinux

2007-09-22 Thread Marco Peereboom
The first thing people do when they run with SELinux is disabling it. You decide how great it is. On Sat, Sep 22, 2007 at 11:34:33AM -0400, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: Hello all, I'm running OBSD on my older boxes but still Debian on my big box (not ready yet). Linux has SELinux in its 2.6

Re: Instant Messenger (CLI-based multi-protocol)

2007-09-22 Thread Mike Swanson
Pidgin includes finch (command line client), it's a little awkard to use though (just my opinion). -- Mike

Re: Instant Messenger (CLI-based multi-protocol)

2007-09-22 Thread Mike Erdely
On Sat, Sep 22, 2007 at 08:05:57PM -0500, Sean Darby wrote: Is there a better program out there somewhere that is CLI-based for using chat with Yahoo, AIM, MSN, ICQ, IRC, and Jabber? I'm using irssi (irc client) with bitlbee (IM to IRC gateway). I'm VERY happy with it. -ME