Re: [MOSAIC] define immature

2007-07-29 Thread Waingort Jimenez, Elisa
Hi Robin, What you describe below sounds like a "pampered child". I strongly recommend a book by the same name that has put into perspective a lot of "off the wall" behaviors I have been seeing this past school year. Sorry, can't remember the author but I'm sure a quick google search will gi

Re: [MOSAIC] Student teacher question on fluency/retention-Juliana

2007-07-29 Thread Joy
Bev, Yes! That is why I am teaching where I am. I have other challenges, but I can direct what I do to the individual needs of each child. I don't have to follow some arbitrary pacing guide, and am encouraged to remediate, enhance, and enrich as needed. Beverlee Paul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote

Re: [MOSAIC] books about reading

2007-07-29 Thread Lisa Szyska
Booklists include a section on "books about readers and reading." http://www.frankserafini.com/MainPages/booklists.html > > I am looking for a few new titles to use at the > beginning of the year that are about kids learning > to read. _

Re: [MOSAIC] Student teacher question/immature students

2007-07-29 Thread Joy
I'm not suggesting that new teachers be given the "cream puffs." They'd never learn to manage their classroom that way. The more challenging children could be evenly distributed, and known personality conflicts could be split up. And new teachers should be given lots of help when the administrat

Re: [MOSAIC] Student teacher question/immature students

2007-07-29 Thread Joy
No, but there are developmental stages and behavior you would expect from children of a certain age. For example, you wouldn't expect an 8 year old to fling himself on the floor, kicking and screaming because you asked everyone to come sit in a circle for morning meeting. You also wouldn't expec

Re: [MOSAIC] books about reading

2007-07-29 Thread Patti Brooks
"Jeremiah Learns to Read" is wonderful. I get teary-eyed every time I read it. Patti From: Dianne Hamelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: "Mosaic: A Reading Comprehension Strategies Email Group" To: "Mosaic: A Reading Comprehension Strategies Email Group" Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] books about re

Re: [MOSAIC] books about reading

2007-07-29 Thread Bill Roberts
yes it is... - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2007 2:13 PM Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] books about reading > I'm trying to recall the title about the girl who is teaching her > grandmother to read, is it The Wednesday Surprise? > > > Cathy > K-1 Titl

Re: [MOSAIC] Student teacher question/immature students

2007-07-29 Thread Renee
On Jul 29, 2007, at 1:02 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > In a message dated 7/29/2007 3:34:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > but I have seen first hand schools in > which the newbie gets the dump > > > Unfortunately I have to agree Lori. I was hired a week after

Re: [MOSAIC] Student teacher question/immature students

2007-07-29 Thread Waingort Jimenez, Elisa
Hi Nancy, I agree with what you say here about the issue of "immaturity". I find that it's a very subjective term and open to a lot of interpretation. My middle daughter started prekindergarten when we moved to Ecuador from New Orleans in 1996 even though she was to start kinder in a Montessor

Re: [MOSAIC] Student teacher question/immature students

2007-07-29 Thread Debbie Goodis
I think the root of the problem is teacher preparation in college. I hate to sound like I'm harping on Preschool Teachers and their training, but it is fundamentally different from the training I got for Elementary. Maybe because, at least years ago, the objectives for the training was on 1) the

Re: [MOSAIC] Student teacher question/immature students

2007-07-29 Thread Creecher12
In a message dated 7/29/2007 3:34:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: but I have seen first hand schools in which the newbie gets the dump Unfortunately I have to agree Lori. I was hired a week after school started in September, to teach a 2/3 split with 28 studen

Re: [MOSAIC] Student teacher question on fluency/retention-Juliana

2007-07-29 Thread Beverlee Paul
I'd like to celebrate this sentence. When we try to teach kids all the same thing in the same way at the same rate, we become part of the problem, not part of the solution. Of course, I realize that other options aren't always available to us, depending on where we teach. Think I'll start bec

Re: [MOSAIC] Student teacher question/immature students

2007-07-29 Thread ljackson
I find value in all that you say, but I have seen first hand schools in which the newbie gets the dump. In the original post, you will see the teacher admitted making a lot of mistakes that first year, so it was clearly not an attempt to play victim. I work across a number of schools and I can te

Re: [MOSAIC] Student teacher question/immature students

2007-07-29 Thread Beverlee Paul
I really hate that this is going to sound like a "blame the victim" mentality, but it seems like it should be said. Few people ( including us ourselves) really understand the "skills" teachers develop for all areas of teaching, including management techniques. And usually we learn by trial an

Re: [MOSAIC] books about reading

2007-07-29 Thread Dianne Hamelly
Yes, it is Cathy. On Jul 29, 2007, at 1:13 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I'm trying to recall the title about the girl who is teaching her > grandmother to read, is it The Wednesday Surprise? > > ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To

Re: [MOSAIC] Student teacher question/immature students

2007-07-29 Thread Deidra & Jim Chandler
I want to jump in on this conversation because I've been the recipient of these classes on a regular basis for my entire career. Once other teachers and administration realized I could 'handle' kids with 'issues' then I became the first person they thought of for placement of that child. I've h

Re: [MOSAIC] books about reading

2007-07-29 Thread DeMilleReed
I'm trying to recall the title about the girl who is teaching her grandmother to read, is it The Wednesday Surprise? Cathy K-1 Title I Reading ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour _

Re: [MOSAIC] books about reading

2007-07-29 Thread Linda
My absolute all time favorites are Santa's Book of Names and Edward and the Pirates by David McPhail. Linda/6th From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I am looking for a few new titles to use at the beginning of the year that > are about kids learning to read. __

Re: [MOSAIC] define immature

2007-07-29 Thread ljackson
Okay, I have a son who entered kindergarten as a barely five in a community where it is fashionable to hold boys out until six. Therefore, he is MUCH younger than most of his male peers as he would have been young had he entered with children who had not been deliberately started late. And yes, hi

Re: [MOSAIC] define immature

2007-07-29 Thread Creecher12
In a message dated 7/29/2007 12:57:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: One year I had a child who I considered very immature. Here are the things I noticed: he sucked his thumb when stressed, he cried frequently, his comments during class discussions were often off-topi

Re: [MOSAIC] Elaine's book title

2007-07-29 Thread Sickcommittee
Hi all, I, too, HIGHLY recommend Elaine's book Smart Answers to Tough Questions. I am in a school where some people are married to the anthology reader and its 150 types of tests. I respect everyone's viewpoints but having seen for myself what real literature does for kids minds...whew! The

Re: [MOSAIC] books about reading

2007-07-29 Thread Dianne Hamelly
One of my favorites is "The Wednesday Surprise" by Eve Bunting. Another is "Amber on the Mountain" by Tony Johnston. Dianne ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworksh

[MOSAIC] Things to support your ESL students

2007-07-29 Thread Kevin Kleinert
As an ESL teacher a few things that may help you understand your ELL students:. 1. Literacy skills/pre-literacy skills transfer from one language to another. A student with a solid reading/literacy foundation in their first language (L1) should be able to transfer those skills into thei

Re: [MOSAIC] books about reading

2007-07-29 Thread Leslie
I like Beatrice Doesn't Want To by Laura Numeroff. Leslie/1/CA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey all, I am looking for a few new titles to use at the beginning of the year that are about kids learning to read. I have used Thank You, Mr. Falker and More Than Anything Else every year, so I'm just loo

[MOSAIC] define immature

2007-07-29 Thread Robin
I guess when I think of immature kids, what I am doing is comparing the kids to same age peers (and same-sex peers). So a second grader who behaves like a typical kindergartner in his ability to focus during lessons, attention span, play behavior with peers, etc. would be considered immature, es

[MOSAIC] books about reading

2007-07-29 Thread rkheim
Hey all, I am looking for a few new titles to use at the beginning of the year that are about kids learning to read. I have used Thank You, Mr. Falker and More Than Anything Else every year, so I'm just looking for some additional titles (preferably aimed at fourth grade students). If anyone

Re: [MOSAIC] Student teacher question/immature students

2007-07-29 Thread Renee
On Jul 29, 2007, at 8:20 AM, lori.labrum wrote: > But at the same time is isn't fair to give all the challenges to an > experienced teacher. No, not really. NO teacher should have ALL the "challenging" students in a grade level. > . snip .. > But with the make-up of the class, 32 with

Re: [MOSAIC] Student teacher question/immature students

2007-07-29 Thread lori.labrum
But at the same time is isn't fair to give all the challenges to an experienced teacher. In my situation I "finally" get a partner teacher after 6 years of being the only teacher on my grade level. There are some very challenging students in our upcoming grade, which is the reason we have bee

Re: [MOSAIC] Student teacher question/immature students

2007-07-29 Thread carlsonca
This always has been interesting to me. My first daughter exhibited "boy like" behavior--would crawl under her seat, had trouble staying in her seat, initiated games on the playground, wasn't interested in writing her name in K. Her preschool teachers suggested she was hyperactive. Her physician to

Re: [MOSAIC] Student teacher question/immature students

2007-07-29 Thread Creecher12
Could someone please define this word "immature" for me? I see it used all the time and have heard teachers use it as the main reason to retain, but it seems to me to be a pretty illusive term and often based on subjectivity. Sometimes it even has to do with physical characteristics. I

Re: [MOSAIC] Student teacher question/immature students

2007-07-29 Thread ljackson
When I was in the classroom, my husband was often quick to remind me that the class I adored in November was the SAME class I deplored in September!!! Somehow, even the stinkers manage to get under your skin!! Lori On 7/29/07 5:27 AM, "Joy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > But once you have a class

Re: [MOSAIC] Student teacher question/immature students

2007-07-29 Thread ljackson
I believe this is an administrative issue. I have seen it happen as well, but have also worked in schools where it never happened. Lori On 7/29/07 1:55 AM, "Hayden_Jeanette" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have been a mentor for the vast state of Alaska and deal with this issue > continually. T

Re: [MOSAIC] Student teacher question/immature students

2007-07-29 Thread Joy
But once you have a class, it's yours. What to do with the little rascals? How to respectively ask for support and not sound like you are whining, complaining, or incompetent? How to keep up with the paperwork, snarky coworkers, lack of resources, impossible curriculum expectations, etc.?

Re: [MOSAIC] Student teacher question/immature students

2007-07-29 Thread Hayden_Jeanette
I have been a mentor for the vast state of Alaska and deal with this issue continually. This is a flaw in our system. Teachers claim, "I've paid my dues", and then the new, young teacher gets the tough class. My advice is to be honest with your administrator and point out the fact you are dealing w