I am new to Mozilla Bugzilla and find I would have an easier time getting "on
board" if I could print out and and then sit down and digest the various
HTML Docs. In particular the "Bug Writing Guidelines". Would it be possable to
put a printable version up? Or if not at least point me to a Unix
Peter Trudelle wrote:
> I disagree that supporting things like one-button mice would make
> Mozilla suck.
That's not quite what I said. I said that if we catered to the lowest
common denominator, Mozilla would suck - meaning that if we decide to
have five different click-triggered actions (
I disagree that supporting things like one-button mice would make
Mozilla suck. Don't all Macs still ship with a one-button mouse? Does
Apple even make a multi-button mouse yet? How can we say we support a
platform if using it *requires* users to purchase third-party hardware?
I think the
Does mozilla require the microsoft active template library to build on
win32 systems?
I seem to remember something in one piece of code that does reference it
but I forget where...
If in fact it does use this library, what should be done to get the
piece of code in question rewritten to not use
Emlyn wrote:
>So, out of interest, what stops you - yes, YOU - from contributing to
>Mozilla? Is it lack of documentation? The complexity of the code? The
>fact that you're behind a firewall and can't access IRC, CVS, FTP or
>anything other than http? (that's my excuse). The complexity of
>settin
So, out of interest, what stops you - yes, YOU - from contributing to
Mozilla? Is it lack of documentation? The complexity of the code? The
fact that you're behind a firewall and can't access IRC, CVS, FTP or
anything other than http? (that's my excuse). The complexity of
setting up the build envi
ne, and our dedication has been
> to standards since day one. ProComp (AOL is a major member) has
> denounced them, but that's more of a legal remedy than anything else.
>
>
Opera's pretty ticked off about it, too.
http://www.opera.com/pressreleases/20011026.html
Thank you for the tabs feature. I didn't know I needed it until I
started using it. I use it all the time now. The background loading
makes a dialup connection much more bearable - I can continue reading
the current page while the secondary page(s) load - fantastic!
My only request is that the ta
Christopher Jahn wrote:
> And it came to pass that Steve wrote:
>
>
>>Outside of the fact that this is Microsoft speaking...
>>
>>Visse sez that they didn't want to support browsers "that we
>>know don't support (W3C) standards or that we can't insure
>>will get a great experience for the cus
And it came to pass that Steve wrote:
>
> Outside of the fact that this is Microsoft speaking...
>
> Visse sez that they didn't want to support browsers "that we
> know don't support (W3C) standards or that we can't insure
> will get a great experience for the customer."
>
> My impression was
* Chris Hoess ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [011026 22:01]:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Hall Stevenson wrote:
> > * Chris Hoess ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [011026 20:10]:
> >>
> >> I'm actually beginning to think that Hanlon's (Heinlein's?) Razor
> >> applies here; I've gotten the "upgrade your browser" mes
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Hall Stevenson wrote:
> * Chris Hoess ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [011026 20:10]:
>>
>> I'm actually beginning to think that Hanlon's (Heinlein's?) Razor
>> applies here; I've gotten the "upgrade your browser" message trying to
>> access MSN with IE 5.5 (and it's been repo
* Chris Hoess ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [011026 20:10]:
>
> I'm actually beginning to think that Hanlon's (Heinlein's?) Razor
> applies here; I've gotten the "upgrade your browser" message trying to
> access MSN with IE 5.5 (and it's been reported to me that IE 4.x is
> allowed on it). It seems quite l
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Pratik wrote:
>
> Yes that was really good. btw, I just tried validating www.mozilla.org
> and it complains about not finding doctype and charset. Once you
> override it, it passes without any error. Can someone fix the doctype
> and charset on www.mozilla.org?
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, JP White wrote:
> Nigel L wrote:
>
>> Looks horrid, though!
>
> That makes the problem even worse. Instead of only allowing 'validated'
> browses onto their site which would ensure quality, they are obviously
> targeting browses they 'don't like' or 'don't trust'
Gotta be careful how you construct those analogies. :)
I'd say, Mozilla/N6 should be as much different from IE as a BMW is from
a 1975 Ford Pinto Coupe.
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> And Yet Mozilla/Netscape 6 scoops up every thing an
The MSN site http://www.msn.com does show up in Netscape 6.1, but not
in Mozilla 0.9.5
I wonder why, if Netscape 6.1 (based on an earlier Mozilla release) can
render MSN, Microsoft thinks that Mozilla 0.9.5 is not "fit" enough to
do the same.
- Ajoy
gavin long wrote:
> Al Rider wrote:
>
>> Ge
Gervase Markham wrote:
>
> > Macs come with one-button mice. Mozilla is
> > supposed to be cross-platform, correct?
>
> If we were to work to the lowest common denominator of all the platforms
> we support, Mozilla would suck rather a lot. Even the Mac community
> (with OS X) has realised that a
Garth Wallace wrote:
> What's the solution for a *one*-button mouse?
>
Don't those people use modifier keys? Like shift-click... I seem to
remember this from my brief acquintance with a Macintosh
--
regards, Esben Mose Hansen
www.worldonline.dk/~mesben (danish site)
really, there's nothing wrong with 1 button mice (the context menus work
just as well... considering on Windows there's frequently a delay for
the menus to pop up, and on the Mac you have to hold the mouse button to
get the context menu for a set # of seconds)... there's a new Mac mouse
out th
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Thanks, I've got it installed, but cant seem to make a 'shortcut' (i
> think thats what they are called, in windows anyway) to it on my
> desktop. I've using gnome. If i try to make a 'sortcut' and type
> 'mozilla' in as the command, it launches mozilla 0.7.1 which
I can no longer launch Mozilla once I add theat string to my prefs.js,
and am trying to do this on Linux. removing it again allows be to open
the browser but still no MSN no I don't like their site (I don't
trust it) but I'd like to figure out this fake useragent string anyhow
for other r
wookie wrote:
> How about Mac OS X version? I seems cannot find the pref.js from my NS
> folder...
That pref should be XP.
Gerv
> Macs come with one-button mice. Mozilla is
> supposed to be cross-platform, correct?
If we were to work to the lowest common denominator of all the platforms
we support, Mozilla would suck rather a lot. Even the Mac community
(with OS X) has realised that a single button mouse is dumb, and
3
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> According to news.com,
> posibly you've already heard, msn does not work with no browser but IE now.
> http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1005-200-7655334.html?tag=mn_hd
I can live without msn and all the m$ propaganda.
When ms writes that moz
David Hyatt wrote:
> Ok, I just landed code for middle-click closing the tab. I also landed
> code for CTRL+W that will close the current tab.
In just tried this, and it has a very undesirable side-effect: on Linux,
middle-click pastes (and in Moz, that normally means load the page in
the c
Martin Poirier wrote:
>
> one button mouses are worthless IMHO...
Macs come with one-button mice. Mozilla is
supposed to be cross-platform, correct?
"D. D. Brierton" wrote:
> They are available from galeon's sourceforge site:
> http://sourceforge.net/projects/galeon/
But note that installing a newer Mozilla using an RPM will totally hork
the Nautilus HTML viewer under RedHat 7.2. You might wait for an
unofficial update provided by rhcontri
"Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T." wrote:
>
> Well you know why that is: (Re)publicans are in charge of the White
> house and one chamber of Congress.
>
> If the Democrats ha d remained in WH and Congress MicroSoft would have
> chopped up in a Gazilliuon pieces now.
>
> (Re)publicans always favor big b
Hall Stevenson wrote:
>
> Do that many people visit msn.com or is it just the principle
> of the thing ?? :-)
>
> Hall
If Microsoft can 'get away' with blocking access to MSN, then that's a
foot in the door to controlling internet content.
Block access to microsoft .com and it's not easy to fin
Well you know why that is: (Re)publicans are in charge of the White
house and one chamber of Congress.
If the Democrats ha d remained in WH and Congress MicroSoft would have
chopped up in a Gazilliuon pieces now.
(Re)publicans always favor big business and scr**ing the little people.
Al Rider w
On 10/26/01 04:11 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Pratik wrote:
>
>
>>Try validationg www.msn.com with w3c's validator. Even their "Upgrade
>>your browser" page has errors in it!
>>
>>Check out Opera's press release
>>
>>htt
And Yet Mozilla/Netscape 6 scoops up every thing an IE user says would
be neat in Moz/N6. Do we truely want to emulate them? Mozilla/N6 should
be as much different from IE as a Cadilac is fom a Rolls Royce.
"Malodushnïkh" wrote:
>
> They're just liars. Every word out of their mouths is a lie. Th
David Hyatt wrote:
> I just checked in a slew of tab browsing changes and fixes. Here's a list:
>
> (1) The tabs now flex and shrink down as you add more tabs in order to
> fit within the window. You should not really have any serious overflow
> problems any longer with this solution.
> (2)
Was able to go to MSN webpage with no problem using Communicator 4.7.8 Mac
I downloaded and tried previously MSN Messenger for Mac. Its seems to
work but there doesn't seem to be a way to convert or use AOL Instant
messenger Screen names.
Jerry Park wrote:
>
> Random Liegh wrote:
>
> > Albert
Nigel L wrote:
> Looks horrid, though!
That makes the problem even worse. Instead of only allowing 'validated'
browses onto their site which would ensure quality, they are obviously
targeting browses they 'don't like' or 'don't trust' and are not
consistent in ensuring that we all have a 'great
Is there any effort within Mozilla.org or AOL/Netscape to publicly
denounce what MS has done (and still hasn't fixed)? Mozilla needs to
show that MS's claims are unbased and slanderous too, we have the best
W3C standards support out of nearly anyone, and our dedication has been
to standards s
Pratik wrote:
> Try validationg www.msn.com with w3c's validator. Even their "Upgrade
> your browser" page has errors in it!
>
> Check out Opera's press release
>
> http://www.opera.com/pressreleases/20011026.html
>
> Mozilla should make one t
Try validationg www.msn.com with w3c's validator. Even their "Upgrade
your browser" page has errors in it!
Check out Opera's press release
http://www.opera.com/pressreleases/20011026.html
Mozilla should make one too.
Pratik.
On 10/26/01 02:14 AM, DeMoN LaG wrote:
> P
Nigel L wrote:
> Nigel L says:
> I just added exactly what GE suggests, and I still get the lock-out
> message.
>
> Geraint Edwards wrote:
> I just tried adding
>
> user_pref("general.useragent.override","Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE
> 5.5; Windows 98)");
>
> to my prefs.js file and the acc
On 10/25/01 05:22 PM, Aaron Andersen wrote:
> David Hyatt wrote:
>
>
>>(4) You can now drag a URL to a tab and have it load in that tab.
>>Whether or not the tab comes to the front when you drop is based off
>>the background loading pref (the same one used when you middle-click a
>>link).
>>
gavin long wrote:
> Under
> current EU Law, that brings the possibility of a rather hefty fine. I've
> seen figures of $1-2 Billion mentioned. That would make even
> Microsoft's eyes water.
Yeah. Bill might have to forego his after dinner mints for months ...
That's why I put the "won" in quotes. Technically, MS hasn't won per se; but
practically they have won the US federal case.
In additon to the federal suit, several states are actively persuing their
own suit against MS.
Let's all hope someone suceeds and competition returns to the software
indu
How about Mac OS X version? I seems cannot find the pref.js from my NS
folder...
wookie
"Gervase Markham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Does anybody know how to apply the same directive with Netscape6.1?
>
> browser.bookmark.file IIRC.
>
>
Looks horrid, though!
> Nigel L says:
> I just added exactly what GE suggests, and I still get
> the lock-out message.
>
> Geraint Edwards wrote:
> I just tried adding
>
> user_pref("general.useragent.override","Mozilla/4.0
> (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows 98)");
Do that many people visit msn.com or is it just the p
> Does anybody know how to apply the same directive with Netscape6.1?
browser.bookmark.file IIRC.
Gerv
User wrote:
> Could someone in the know tell me when Mozilla/Netscape plans to support the new
>Mozilla plug-in
> API? For now, it seems that script to plug-in communications is not working
>resulting in a dumb
> plug-in scenario. When is Mozilla expecting to use the new plug-in API/protocol?
Nigel L says:
I just added exactly what GE suggests, and I still get the lock-out message.
Geraint Edwards wrote:
I just tried adding
user_pref("general.useragent.override","Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE
5.5; Windows 98)");
to my prefs.js file and the accessed msn.com
A quick glance suggests
and see if this feels intuitive.
Middle clicking on a tab to close works fine; I like it. But middle
clicking on a link to open in a new tab no longer works for me:-( (yes
I still have the user pref set).
Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.5+) Gecko/20011026
Build ID: 2001102608
Title:
Nigel L says:
MSN US and Canada don't work for me; the notorious redirect page comes up.
Brazil, UK, Australia, France are all fine.
I'm using Win build 2001102603 with Win ME.
Jay Garcia wrote:
On 10/26/2001 11:17 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Scott wrote:
thier site doesn't
I'm having a strange problem with printing, but am not confident enough
that it is a bug to send in a bug report. I am using:
Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.5+) Gecko/20011025 Linux
2.4.7-4GB (SuSE 7.2), Ghostscript 6.51, KDE 2.2.1 printer = Lexmark Optra
Color 40
I had the same
They're just liars. Every word out of their mouths is a lie. They're
lousy human beings.
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Pratik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> They backed out and are going to allow Mozilla and Opera. Does anyone
> know what the hell they mean when they say
>
> > But, Visse war
Steve wrote:
>Outside of the fact that this is Microsoft speaking...
>
>Visse sez that they didn't want to support browsers "that we know don't
>support (W3C) standards or that we can't insure will get a great
>experience for the customer."
>
>My impression was that Mozilla is the litmus test fo
On 10/26/2001 11:17 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Scott wrote:
>
>
>>thier site doesn't work with my Mozilla browser despite reports that
>>they've opened this back up to other browsers...perhaps because I'm
>>using Linux?
>>
>
>
> I just read the C|Net article and went to the page using W
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Scott wrote:
>
>> thier site doesn't work with my Mozilla browser despite reports that
>> they've opened this back up to other browsers...perhaps because I'm
>> using Linux?
>
>
> I just read the C|Net article and went to the page using Windows 2000
> and the late
Scott wrote:
> thier site doesn't work with my Mozilla browser despite reports that
> they've opened this back up to other browsers...perhaps because I'm
> using Linux?
I just read the C|Net article and went to the page using Windows 2000
and the latest nightly build. I still get the error.
I just tried adding
user_pref("general.useragent.override","Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE
5.5; Windows 98)");
to my prefs.js file and the accessed msn.com
A quick glance suggests some minor formatting problems (e.g. blank space
in middle of front page and some sloppy link hover effects. Othe
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "eeevans"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Same thing happens with the 0.9.4 rpm files.
>
> eeevans wrote:
>
>> I'm trying to upgrade to 0.9.5 using the rpm files for RedHat7.2 and run
>> the command rpm -Uvh moz*.rpm but get
>> error: failed dependencies:
>>
Same thing happens with the 0.9.4 rpm files.
eeevans wrote:
> I'm trying to upgrade to 0.9.5 using the rpm files for RedHat7.2 and run
> the command rpm -Uvh moz*.rpm but get
> error: failed dependencies:
> mozilla = 0.9.2.1 is needed by galeon-0.11.3.2
>
> How do I get an rpm file for
Al Rider wrote:
> Get use to it. MS has essentially "won" the law suit and will only get
> more agressive in stifling competition from now on.
[asbestos suit on]
Ahem. They had the "remedy" overturned, and the judge removed from the
case. The verdict (guilty) still stands. Arguments (lega
I was experimenting with moz's preliminary support for the CSS3 property,
border-radius (-moz-border-radius). I tried adding some borders with curved
corners to my online CV which I've been working on (design rather shamelessly
ripped off from Eric Meyer I have to admit). But in 0.9.5 I've experie
I have a small problem with 0.9.5. Some javascript I have which changes the
style property of a class from display:block to display:none does not seem to
be working correctly anymore. In moz < 0.9.3 it was working fine. Then in
0.9.3 it crashed moz every single time. I didn't get to use 0.9.4, but
Hey guys...
Get use to it. MS has essentially "won" the law suit and will only get
more agressive in stiffling competition from now on.
JP White wrote:
> Using Mozilla 0.9.5 to go to the msn website http://www.msn.com I get
> the following disturbing message.
>
>
>
>>Attention: Web B
Holger Metzger wrote:
> Microsoft actually promised today to remove those customizations again.
> Seems like many users complained about it.
> I like Opera's press release concerning that matter (Opera did/does not
> work as well):
> http://www.opera.com/pressreleases/2001
>>
>> Who are Microsoft to decide if I like the way their website looks with
>> Mozilla? (I don't mind a warning but blocking access altogether seems
>> rather, ummm, monopolistic.)
>>
>>
>
> Microsoft actually promised today to remove those customizations again.
> Seems like many users complained about it.
> I like Opera's press release concerning that matter (Opera did/does not
> work as well):
> http://www.opera.com/pressreleases/20011026.html
>
> Holger
In Netscape 4.x SHIFT+Reload works, but i checked that in Mozilla (NS6)
do not force to reload in all case. Then it needed to click on linke
once, or push enter in location.
Does SHIFT+Reload force reloading the page, out of cache, or not, or it
was just a bug?
CoL
Craig Tataryn wrote:
> In
stic.)
>
>
Microsoft actually promised today to remove those customizations again.
Seems like many users complained about it.
I like Opera's press release concerning that matter (Opera did/does not
work as well):
http://www.opera.com/pressreleases/20011026.html
Holger
--
Netscape 6 Tips deutsch: http://www.hmetzger.de
Using Mozilla 0.9.5 to go to the msn website http://www.msn.com I get
the following disturbing message.
> Attention: Web Browser Upgrade Required to View MSN.com
>
> If you are seeing this page, we have detected that the browser that you are using
>will not render MSN.com correctly. Additionall
On Fri, 26 Oct 2001 11:32:06 +0200, David Hyatt wrote:
> Ok, I just landed code for middle-click closing the tab. I also landed
> code for CTRL+W that will close the current tab. When you get back down
> to one tab, hitting CTRL+W will close the window.
>
> When you go into tabbed mode, the me
I'm trying to upgrade to 0.9.5 using the rpm files for RedHat7.2 and run
the command rpm -Uvh moz*.rpm but get
error: failed dependencies:
mozilla = 0.9.2.1 is needed by galeon-0.11.3.2
How do I get an rpm file for galeon?
TIA,
eeevans
What is he talking about in paragraph #3?
http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1005-200-7660935.html
It seems that Cnet will print anything, regardless of BS factor, as long
as title includes Director+ and definately M$.
how about using right strg-key
then u r able to press strg+l with one hand
;o)
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Peter Trudelle
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes
>I suspect removing the X may be premature, was it based on any
>usability data, or just NG feedback & personal preference (both of
>which are notoriously unreliable)? I think most users are conditioned
>to look for an
thier site doesn't work with my Mozilla browser despite reports that
they've opened this back up to other browsers...perhaps because I'm
using Linux?
see below for the message I get:
Attention: Web Browser Upgrade Required to View MSN.com
If you are seeing this page, we have detected that the
> > Why would it change ?? It would only change from
> > nothing to an 'x'. It either works or it doesn't work. I'm
> > not suggesting a dual-function like you are when
> > comparing to a search/stop button.
>
> You mouse over a tab in order to click it to move it to the
> front. For whatever reas
Ok, I just landed code for middle-click closing the tab. I also landed
code for CTRL+W that will close the current tab. When you get back down
to one tab, hitting CTRL+W will close the window.
When you go into tabbed mode, the menu item under file changes from
"Close" to "Close Tab", and a n
On Thu, 25 Oct 2001 11:51:28 +0200, David Hyatt wrote:
> (2) The confusing close box on
> the far right has been eliminated. Looking for ideas for a better
> solution (perhaps an X on the tab only when it is the active tab).
This is how Galeon does it.
For having been using Galeon for a while, I
David Hyatt wrote:
> The confusing close box on the far right has been eliminated. Looking
> for ideas for a better solution (perhaps an X on the tab only when it
> is the active tab).
How about a [v] menu which duplicates the context menu but opens on
left-click for those with dysmouseia? I'
Hello!
Hearing of the MSN shut-off Microsoft was doing to enhance it's
browser monopoly, I decided to migrate to Mozilla.
I must say I'm impressed, it is very good and has been stable during
the few hours I've used it, except for one annoying problem - I'm very
used to using Alt-D to go to the
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From: Andrea Monni [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 26 October 2001 09:31
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: msn , coincidence?
Albert wrote:
>
> Look at http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=97222. They're
> blocking Netscape 6.1 because of unspeci
Albert wrote:
>
> Look at http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=97222. They're
> blocking Netscape 6.1 because of unspecified security flaws. They will
> let 6.1 see the MSN page however.
> And according to the CNET article, "
>
> "All of our development work for the new MSN.com is...
Hello,
With Netscape Communicator 4.7 I use a bookmark.htm file
( usually located in Program files\Netscape\user\...) located
in a share directory es: c:\sharedir\bookmark.htm
The syntax in the prefs.js is:
user_pref("browser.bookmark_location", "C:\\sharedir\\bookmark.htm");
Does anybody know
Thanks, I've got it installed, but cant seem to make a 'shortcut' (i
think thats what they are called, in windows anyway) to it on my
desktop. I've using gnome. If i try to make a 'sortcut' and type
'mozilla' in as the command, it launches mozilla 0.7.1 which I think was
installed when I ins
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